Burnley 2nd Highest Daily Covid Rate

[FactualFrank]

I was just reading the daily news in the Independent regarding Covid, and noticed:

Government figures broken down by local authority put Bolton as the most severely afflicted region in England, with 696 new cases recorded in the seven days to September 22 - the equivalent of 242.0 infections per 100,000 people.

Burnley recorded the second highest rate - up from 113.6 to 233.9 with 208 new cases. The town was followed by Knowsley, where the rate has risen from 125.3 to 230.7, with 348 new cases.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 00423.html

[Billy Balfour]

It shows that dropping the local restrictions the other week was a ******* stupid thing to do.

[clarethomer]

How do you balance the economy and contain the pandemic..?

Im not sure you can.

[Burnley1989]

I knew of 1-2 people up until the last week and literally 10 people I know in Burnley have tested positive, very few felt much more than under the weather but it’s been a real wake up call

[Burnley1989]

My Mother works on one of Lancashire’s critical care units and said last night her hospital had 26 very sick COVID patients in and they’d had none over the last few weeks. It’s worrying

[TheFamilyCat]

Bolton: two weeks ahead of Burnley.

[4:20]

Bolton: two weeks ahead of Burnley.

It's a grim situation and I wish the best of health to all but that did tickle me.

[Wellsy1882]

I know a few people recently diagnosed after a test
None have any symptoms and are in general fitter than the average

People need to understand the diff between covid and corona

[Gordaleman]

I know a few people recently diagnosed after a test
None have any symptoms and are in general fitter than the average

People need to understand the diff between covid and corona

What do you think Covid stands for?

[Bordeauxclaret]

I know a few people recently diagnosed after a test
None have any symptoms and are in general fitter than the average

People need to understand the diff between covid and corona

Go on...

[Wellsy1882]

What do you think Covid stands for?

Covid is a strain of the coronavirus. Most are as common as your usual colds hence the reason a lot of people testing postive with no symptoms at all

[Burnley1989]

Jesus....

[FactualFrank]

Where's Roy Walker when you need him.

[boatshed bill]

WHAT IS COVID-19?
Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more serious diseases such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV).

The 2019 novel coronavirus is a new strain that has not been seen in humans until now and has caused viral pneumonia. It was first linked to Wuhan’s South China Seafood City market which is a wholesale market for seafood and live animals in December 2019.

The virus has now been detected in several areas throughout China, along with countries across Asia, North and South America, Europe, Africa and Oceana.

WHAT DO THE DIFFERENT NAMES MEAN?
You may have noticed different names circulating which relate to the novel corona virus. Below we have listed some of the more common names and explained what they mean.

COVID-19- this is the name for the disease caused by the coronavirus. This is simply short for coronavirus disease 2019. The World Health Organization announced this name on the 11 February 2020.

SARS-CoV-2- severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus 2. This is the name of the virus, not the disease that results from it. The world Health Organization emphasizes that while the viruses are related, COVID-19 is different from the SARS outbreak of 2003.

Novel corona virus 2019 (nCoV-19)- this was initially used at the start of the outbreak. It refers to the virus which is a novel form of the coronavirus that was first seen in 2019.

Coronavirus- you may see or hear about the virus referred to just as the coronavirus. This is not inaccurate as it is a novel strain of a coronavirus.

[Wokingclaret]

Sadly, wont be coming to Burnley any time soon

[nil_desperandum]

What do you think Covid stands for?

Covid 19, is a particularly virulent and potentially dangerous strain of coronavirus. The word comes from Corona Virus December 2019.
Apparently coronaviruses have been around going right back in time, but the term wasn't coined until 1968
Sars and Mers were coronaviruses, and 15% of common colds are apparently strains of Corona.
I assume that's he point he was making. It's the Covid 19 strain of the virus that can be fatal, although some people do die form the common cold.

[FactualFrank]

Covid 19, is a particularly virulent and potentially dangerous strain of coronavirus. The word comes from Corona Virus December 2019.
Apparently coronaviruses have been around since 8000 BC.
Sars and Mers were coronaviruses, and 15% of common colds are apparently strains of Corona.
I assume that's he point he was making. It's the Covid 19 strain of the virus that can be fatal, although some people do die form the common cold.

Disease. Not December.

[boatshed bill]

Covid is a strain of the coronavirus. Most are as common as your usual colds hence the reason a lot of people testing postive with no symptoms at all

That is so wrong.
The Covid 19 test is specific to that particular strain.

[nil_desperandum]

Disease. Not December.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I've certainly read that the D was for December because it originated in December 2019 in China.
(Anyway it's a specific strain of Corona from 2019, (like Sars and Mers in earlier years) irrespective of whether I've been misled on that "D")

[nil_desperandum]

It shows that dropping the local restrictions the other week was a ******* stupid thing to do.

Or maybe it reflects that thousands of children have gone back to school in Burnley, the College is back open and students have returned to the University, which is what the overwhelming majority of people said should happen.
Loads of children have tested positive and they take it home, and then parents take it to work. (Work that they were encouraged to return to by the PM)

[Inchy]

Last time when we had loads of admissions to ICU most none urgent surgery was cancelled. This led to spare ICU beds to help deal with the covid admissions.

NHS England directed all elective operations to cease back in March/April. This was done because many elective ops end up with the patients requiring ICU post op due to comorbidities and intra op/ post op complications

This had a inevitable knock on effect. Some elective surgery may not be seen as urgent but complications can arise by delaying. Removing a gallbladder due to stones can be seen as non urgent. But if one of the stone dislodge and become obstructive, this can lead to pancreatitis, a very serious issue. Since surgery restarted Surgeons have been going fill tilt to clear the back log. This means many ICUs are full already, before any new covid cases.

Quite a few ICU nurses have left critical care due to the distress/ discomfort of the last outbreak. (13 hours in full aerosol generating PPE is hard work but good for weight loss/renal failure). This also effects capacity.


The dilemma will be do they stop none urgent surgery again? To do so will hopefully clear beds but will
continue to have a long term knock effect.


It’s a difficult situation and I’m glad I don’t have to make those decisions. I think the nightingales will be utilised this time round.

[Mala591]

How near zero is the rest of the town?

I'm not saying that there is NO risk to Burnley people but I am saying that the local infection rates in most areas of the town are very low and the new government 'guidelines' need to be based on very specific localised outbreaks.

[Devils_Advocate]

How near zero is the rest of the town?

Stats for 14th-20th Sept

Daneshouse is 22 as is Queensgate and Reedley & Brierfield is 53

Others include Padiham 16, Rose Hill & Burnley Wood 19 and Harl Syke 14

[gawthorpe_view]

How near zero is the rest of the town?

Put a local postcode in and tap the area you want the figures for...

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewe ... 6912ed7076

[Mala591]

We've got to MINIMISE the spread of the infection but at the same time we have to LIVE OUR LIVES AND ENJOY OUR LIVES. Fear, worry and negative thoughts about the future are just as important as controlling the spread of Covid.

No easy answers however good/poor a politician you are

[Devils_Advocate]

We've got to MINIMISE the spread of the infection but at the same time we have to LIVE OUR LIVES AND ENJOY OUR LIVES. Fear, worry and negative thoughts about the future are just as important as controlling the spread of Covid.

No easy answers however good/poor a politician you are

Yep but by your logic youd be closing down Reedley, Brierfield, Queensgate, Burnley centre, Daneshouse, Burnley Wood and Rosehill whilst leaving all the places around and in-between alone.

Seems a bit complicated and almost impossible to control so I think the decision to lockdown as a wider unit makes more senses

That is unless youve got some other good reason to just lockdown Daneshouse that isnt apparent looking at the data and available information?

[ten bellies]

Nobody seems to be questioning the lack of logic in the change of approach from herd immunity to this ridiculous shambles. This highly survivable flu which has not overwhelmed the NHS, nor taken an inordinate amount of lives more than normal flu would take, is being used to disable society. Why? Protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us live our lives. The inhumane isolation of the elderly in the name of protecting them, young people persecuted for being and behaving like young people, people dying in hospital alone, reduced access to the NHS, suicide rates throught the roof, for a virus that is not the killer they claimed. The criminals are in Westminster.

[Vintage Claret]

The criminals are in Westminster.

And in China for not admitting at least 10 months ago what was happening and allowing thousands of their citizens to fly all over the globe spreading this feckin' shitstorm all over the world.

[ClaretAndJew]

Nobody seems to be questioning the lack of logic in the change of approach from herd immunity to this ridiculous shambles. This highly survivable flu which has not overwhelmed the NHS, nor taken an inordinate amount of lives more than normal flu would take, is being used to disable society. Why? Protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us live our lives. The inhumane isolation of the elderly in the name of protecting them, young people persecuted for being and behaving like young people, people dying in hospital alone, reduced access to the NHS, suicide rates throught the roof, for a virus that is not the killer they claimed. The criminals are in Westminster.

Coronavirus is NOT a flu.

[Quicknick]

Coronavirus is NOT a flu.

He was being ironic.

[Quicknick]

Nobody seems to be questioning the lack of logic in the change of approach from herd immunity to this ridiculous shambles. This highly survivable flu which has not overwhelmed the NHS, nor taken an inordinate amount of lives more than normal flu would take, is being used to disable society. Why? Protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us live our lives. The inhumane isolation of the elderly in the name of protecting them, young people persecuted for being and behaving like young people, people dying in hospital alone, reduced access to the NHS, suicide rates throught the roof, for a virus that is not the killer they claimed. The criminals are in Westminster.
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Agreed and a point I made elsewhere on the board a while ago, pointing out the shift in policy from herd immunity to this nonsense has been made by ignoring the abundance of evidence from scientists, one example being Dr Mike Yeadon.

[Burnley1989]

You can’t just protect the vulnerable and let everyone get on with things, I suggested this originally but ultimately the more it spreads it will inevitably get in to the homes of the vulnerable anyway. And how long do we shield them for? You can’t lock people away for ever

At the same time, it’s not going anywhere is it, so what are we supposed to do, controlled lock downs forever? really don’t know what my thoughts are on it anymore.

[joey13]

Nobody seems to be questioning the lack of logic in the change of approach from herd immunity to this ridiculous shambles. This highly survivable flu which has not overwhelmed the NHS, nor taken an inordinate amount of lives more than normal flu would take, is being used to disable society. Why? Protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us live our lives. The inhumane isolation of the elderly in the name of protecting them, young people persecuted for being and behaving like young people, people dying in hospital alone, reduced access to the NHS, suicide rates throught the roof, for a virus that is not the killer they claimed. The criminals are in Westminster.

Frankly you haven’t got a clue

[Zlatan]

It’s not just about the numbers getting Covid though is it. It’s about the knock on effect to other services provided by the NHS, such as cancer treatment. I know, first hand, that this is affecting the NHS in ways that many people just don’t consider when they whinge and moan about wearing a mask; or waiting patiently in line; or having to go home early from the pub; or having to watch football on TV instead.

My scheduled URGENT biopsy for a check for skin cancer has been postponed, due to the increased levels of Covid. Let that sink in for a little bit... as a result of some of the population wanting to do what the f#ck they want instead of doing the right thing I have had an urgent minor surgery biopsy for skin cancer postponed. Chances are it’s nothing, but if it is what they say it might be my prognosis is not good.

Thanks for that.

[joey13]

It’s not just about the numbers getting Covid though is it. It’s about the knock on effect to other services provided by the NHS, such as cancer treatment. I know, first hand, that this is affecting the NHS in ways that many people just don’t consider when they whinge and moan about wearing a mask; or waiting patiently in line; or having to go home early from the pub; or having to watch football on TV instead.

My scheduled URGENT biopsy for a check for skin cancer has been postponed, due to the increased levels of Covid. Let that sink in for a little bit... as a result of some of the population wanting to do what the f#ck they want instead of doing the right thing I have had an urgent minor surgery biopsy for skin cancer postponed. Chances are it’s nothing, but if it is what they say it might be my prognosis is not good.

Thanks for that.

Good luck , I’ve had similar experience

[Zom Zom]

...My scheduled URGENT biopsy for a check for skin cancer has been postponed, due to the increased levels of Covid. Let that sink in for a little bit... as a result of some of the population wanting to do what the f#ck they want instead of doing the right thing I have had an urgent minor surgery biopsy for skin cancer postponed. Chances are it’s nothing, but if it is what they say it might be my prognosis is not good.

Thanks for that.

This is what fuels my annoyance. I cannot divulge where I work, but the number of young people who attend and refuse to cover their faces is incredible. Their ignorance of the wider consequences astounds me. They think they beyond being affected as they are young, yet a number of families of these young people are being told to self-isolate after positive test results.

Zlatan, I sincerely hope you eventually receive the all clear.

[Gordaleman]

Covid 19, is a particularly virulent and potentially dangerous strain of coronavirus. The word comes from Corona Virus December 2019.
Apparently coronaviruses have been around going right back in time, but the term wasn't coined until 1968
Sars and Mers were coronaviruses, and 15% of common colds are apparently strains of Corona.
I assume that's he point he was making. It's the Covid 19 strain of the virus that can be fatal, although some people do die form the common cold.

Slight correction in that the 'D' in Covid stands for disease, not December. The post I was replying to seemed to suggest that there were two different diseases Covid and Corona around at the moment.

As for Sars and Mers, I know that they were Coronaviruses as I was in Malaysia at the height of the outbreak there, and the way they dealt with it appeared to be a lot more effecient than is currently the case with Covid 19 here.

[Gordaleman]

Covid is a strain of the coronavirus. Most are as common as your usual colds hence the reason a lot of people testing postive with no symptoms at all

Wrong. Covid on it's it's own merely stands for Coronavirus disease of which there are hundreds, if not thousands of variations in the human and animal kingdom. Covid-19 was named 19 because it was discovered in 2019, nothing more.

[mdd2]

The difference is the infectivity of SARS 1 Mers, even H1N1 and this. Sadly in the US they are seeing a mutated virus with more spike proteins on its surface which increases its infectivity.
The basics for this remain SD frequent proper hand washing with soap and water plus then 70% alcohol gel if you have it and face covering-if we could get 90% of us maybe less to do this we will keep it at bay; as it is the NHS is already starting to struggle. Those in the NHS who worked at the coal face through the first wave (many were shielded and others found reasons to shield) are literally shell shocked and having survived Mons are now expected to fight at Passchendaele. There will be further attrition of NHS staff. And like it or lump it this second wave will be because Joe Public has flouted the basic rules which have always been SD of 2 metres + wash hands and now face coverings and if you have to 1 metre+ and frequent hand washing.
I do not buy into the rules are not clear. Whether 10 people could mix or 100 the rules were always SD of 2metres+ frequent hand washing with soap and water. Anyone who has not had to buy hand cream at some stage or had sore skin has probably not been washing often enough-well maybe anyway.
Seeing the state of many NHS front line staff now makes me quite angry about where we are heading

[nil_desperandum]

Slight correction in that the 'D' in Covid stands for disease, not December. The post I was replying to seemed to suggest that there were two different diseases Covid and Corona around at the moment.

Predictably FACTUAL Frank has already pointed his out, but I have seen articles that have attributed the "D" to December. I guess its a reasonable error, since it broke out in China in December '19. I agree with you by the way.

[Gordaleman]

Predictably FACTUAL Frank has already pointed his out, but I have seen articles that have attributed the "D" to December. I guess its a reasonable error, since it broke out in China in December '19. I agree with you by the way.

I'm not certain, so don't quote me, but I think the virus in Wuhan was around before December. It just wasn't widely recognised for what it was until the end of the year. However, I think you'll find that the 'D' refers to 'Disease'.

[FactualFrank]

Predictably FACTUAL Frank has already pointed his out, but I have seen articles that have attributed the "D" to December. I guess its a reasonable error, since it broke out in China in December '19. I agree with you by the way.

It's definitely Disease. Corona Virus Disease 2019.

It seems the WHO named it on February 11th of this year.

[Quicknick]

It’s not just about the numbers getting Covid though is it. It’s about the knock on effect to other services provided by the NHS, such as cancer treatment. I know, first hand, that this is affecting the NHS in ways that many people just don’t consider when they whinge and moan about wearing a mask; or waiting patiently in line; or having to go home early from the pub; or having to watch football on TV instead.

My scheduled URGENT biopsy for a check for skin cancer has been postponed, due to the increased levels of Covid. Let that sink in for a little bit... as a result of some of the population wanting to do what the f#ck they want instead of doing the right thing I have had an urgent minor surgery biopsy for skin cancer postponed. Chances are it’s nothing, but if it is what they say it might be my prognosis is not good.

Thanks for that.

I wish you well, Zlatan. Hope you get a good result when you are finally seen.

[nil_desperandum]

It's definitely Disease. Corona Virus Disease 2019.

It seems the WHO named it on February 11th of this year.

I've already acknowledged that twice!

[FactualFrank]

I've already acknowledged that twice!

Always needs to be 3 times, just to be sure.

[WadingInDeeper]

My scheduled URGENT biopsy for a check for skin cancer has been postponed, due to the increased levels of Covid. Let that sink in for a little bit... as a result of some of the population wanting to do what the f#ck they want instead of doing the right thing I have had an urgent minor surgery biopsy for skin cancer postponed. Chances are it’s nothing, but if it is what they say it might be my prognosis is not good.

Thanks for that.

We've currently got an issue not with health, but with wedding planning which has been severely affected. It's annoying to see people doing as they please and stuff the consequences for others.

We adopted some measures to reduce the risk to us (mainly handwashing), and measures which may reduce the risk to others (a mask for a few minutes in a shop isn't a big issue if it helps someone else). They aren't major changes or massively inconvenient, just common sense and the right thing to do if it reduces the risk to others and helps us control this better.

We've also spent a lot of time trying to find ways to make sure the mental health of those in our Church is not too drastically affected, so people keep in touch (especially those who are not online), and have guaranteed this for as long as we are healthy and as long as this lasts. Not for us, but because we are in a position to help others.

What I've yet to see is how wearing a mask means the government have taken away my liberties. We are still working the same, and earning the same, but from home. We currently save, cumulatively, 15 hours or more per week by not driving to an office, this means we have time to get more fresh air, spend more time with our youngest, save quite a bit of money in various ways, and prepare better meals. Running other things on line also saves us driving time in evenings so we actually have time to sit down together and watch a few films. It's not a perfect world we are living in, but we are determined this won't beat us and we will make the most of it. I'm not sure yet which of my liberties they have stolen.

[FactualFrank]

What I've yet to see is how wearing a mask means the government have taken away my liberties.

It seems there are some people who think that we have tyrannical politicians and it's all one big ploy to control us and watch our every move, and nothing to do with the virus.

[jrgbfc]

We've currently got an issue not with health, but with wedding planning which has been severely affected. It's annoying to see people doing as they please and stuff the consequences for others.

We adopted some measures to reduce the risk to us (mainly handwashing), and measures which may reduce the risk to others (a mask for a few minutes in a shop isn't a big issue if it helps someone else). They aren't major changes or massively inconvenient, just common sense and the right thing to do if it reduces the risk to others and helps us control this better.

We've also spent a lot of time trying to find ways to make sure the mental health of those in our Church is not too drastically affected, so people keep in touch (especially those who are not online), and have guaranteed this for as long as we are healthy and as long as this lasts. Not for us, but because we are in a position to help others.

What I've yet to see is how wearing a mask means the government have taken away my liberties. We are still working the same, and earning the same, but from home. We currently save, cumulatively, 15 hours or more per week by not driving to an office, this means we have time to get more fresh air, spend more time with our youngest, save quite a bit of money in various ways, and prepare better meals. Running other things on line also saves us driving time in evenings so we actually have time to sit down together and watch a few films. It's not a perfect world we are living in, but we are determined this won't beat us and we will make the most of it. I'm not sure yet which of my liberties they have stolen.

Maybe young people having their education and prospects destroyed or students spending a fortune to go to university only to be treated like criminals for simply wanting a social life might disagree with you.

[WadingInDeeper]

Maybe young people having their education and prospects destroyed or students spending a fortune to go to university only to be treated like criminals for simply wanting a social life might disagree with you.

Having been in a university city during freshers week, if I'd borrowed a fortune to go to university and prized my education that highly, I wouldn't have been acting the way they were.

Education and prospects destroyed.......for simply wanting a social life says it all.

I have a child who has borrowed a fortune to get to university, and has thrown themselves into online study. I have another who probably won't be able to get home until next year, but is simply getting on with things as beat they can.

[jrgbfc]

Having been in a university city during freshers week, if I'd borrowed a fortune to go to university and prized my education that highly, I wouldn't have been acting the way they were.

Education and prospects destroyed.......for simply wanting a social life says it all.

I have a child who has borrowed a fortune to get to university, and has thrown themselves into online study. I have another who probably won't be able to get home until next year, but is simply getting on with things as beat they can.

But all schools and colleges were shut for about 3 months previously. I'd say we've got used to an education being a basic civil right, certainly in this country. Now we've got the ridiculous situation of kids being sent home from school because they've got a bit of a sniffle.