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Not just a fail, the most expensive player in Burnley history fail, if he cost 2 or 3 mil I don't think it would matter but dyche blew that seasons budget on that playerSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:03 amSo a failed means no more money to spend? Great logic.
It's all about perception and opinions, I would love to see a few quality players in, of course I would.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:28 amWe need to recruit new players regardless of the injuries. Maybe we should start the golden gate back up when we are allowed back on to help.
Injuries aside, I thought we were far too rigid with our tactics. Yes we weren't at the top of our game but continued playing high balls to Wood and particularly Vydra when they're up against the tallest CH in the league. I don't remember how many aerial challenges they won but it wasn't many. Surely SD could see that.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:43 amDo agree with the post above saying Dyche could’ve done more to win the game last night. Lowton on at RW, Brownhill central (he’s wasted on the wing) and Glennon on for Dwight in some way may have given us more energy in the last 15 when we needed it. Do think he was proving a point, which is a bit silly.
Accept there is an injury crisis but we have known for two seasons we need a right winger and haven’t solved the problem, so Dyche should really have the options at his disposal.
I don’t think anyone is expecting big money in terms of the teams in this division. What I expect is a board of directors who are fans backing the manager who delivered them another top half finish and the hundreds of millions that come with it yet again.JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:15 amIt's all about perception and opinions, I would love to see a few quality players in, of course I would.
I just think the bigger picture is eluding some of the fan base.
I personally think the incoming finances will be vastly reduced over the coming seasons and the proposed takeover isn't the big money some are hoping for.
True but Dyche’s continual comments about the board are hardly the ones to fill us with confidence on it happening.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:23 amWith links in the press this morning to both Espanyol's Marc Roca and Celtic's Ryan Christie, neither of whom would come cheap, this whole argument may be irrelevant by next week.
Instead of lambasting both Sean and Mike Garlick before the window closes, why don't we just let them do their respective jobs and see what the situation is on October 6th?
Sean seems to be a bigger problem than Mike Garlick at the moment in my opinion. It's time he stopped playing to the press and just gave the board a chance to bring people in. The board can't do anything about our extensive injury list, which is double what we might normally expect.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:24 amTrue but Dyche’s continual comments about the board are hardly the ones to fill us with confidence on it happening.
If we knew the Managers targets (which I don't) I would be more inclined to be of the same opinion. They may be realistic, they may be unrealistic, they may be unavailable, they may have priced themself out etc.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:18 amI don’t think anyone is expecting big money in terms of the teams in this division. What I expect is a board of directors who are fans backing the manager who delivered them another top half finish and the hundreds of millions that come with it yet again.
) It's a complicated business this football lark.When it comes to our transfer bids I just have visions of Clive Holt next to a broken fax machine!JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:29 amIf we knew the Managers targets (which I don't) I would be more inclined to be of the same opinion. They may be realistic, they may be unrealistic, they may be unavailable, they may have priced themself out etc.
You know we aren't a Club that do business via social media and most 'gossip' is probably just that.
We might have already bid for 10 players (unlikely I know
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:31 amWhen it comes to our transfer bids I just have visions of Clive Holt next to a broken fax machine!
Yes agreed
You're not wrong Elizabeth it's all conjecture and personal theories I suggest the theorists go and get it from the horses mouth and any of you that find yourself in Hertfordshire and in the Tring area in particular nip over to Aldbury and go for a pint in the Greyhound, it's a lovely pub as seen many times on TV, Midsomer Murders quite often, it's Sunday and you have a good chance of catching MG having a quiet drink buy him one, ask him then let us know.
I think we can rule out the link to Marc Roca as agent talk. Signing Stephens and then paying a club record fee one week later for another defensive midfielder would be bonkers.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:23 amWith links in the press this morning to both Espanyol's Marc Roca and Celtic's Ryan Christie, neither of whom would come cheap, this whole argument may be irrelevant by next week.
Instead of lambasting both Sean and Mike Garlick before the window closes, why don't we just let them do their respective jobs and see what the situation is on October 6th?
Not really.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:53 amDon’t think aiming to stay in this division after 5 seasons is pursuing a rainbow. Letting your best manager in an era start the season with 14 fit professionals is pretty shoddy ownership.
I've really no idea whether either of them are viable options for us, but I doubt we are chasing after either of them at the last minute without knowing plenty about them.Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:06 pmI think we can rule out the link to Marc Roca as agent talk. Signing Stephens and then paying a club record fee one week later for another defensive midfielder would be bonkers.
Our central midfield was poor last night and Stephens looked lost for most of the game. However, I can't see that being cause for a dramatic re-think. In all fairness to the bloke he has only been at the club for a couple of days and due to our lack of players he was thrown in at the deep end. He will get better when he finds his feet.
The link to Christie seems more realistic. He has played mainly as an attacking midfielder in recent seasons, but he has played effectively on both wings in previous seasons ( for Celtic and other clubs ).
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-ch ... saison=ges
I could see him fitting into our squad and his positional flexibility would give us a lot more options. He is reasonably quick, quality passing game, creative with an eye for spotting openings, a bit of defensive grit when he is called on to give it and while he favours his left he isn't one footed. A much better option than Wilson in my opinion. He can also shoot from long range and he is okay at set pieces.
On the downside, while Celtic might be awash with central midfielders they lack wide players. Christie is playing in the hole for them at the moment, but he is also their first choice back up for their left and right slots. Given that Lennon is keen to sign him up to a new contract I can't see them being eager to sell him.
He definitely won't be a knock down bargain fee signing and I could imagine him generating interest from us and then signing a lucrative new contract with Celtic. Taking that onboard chasing after him in the final week probably wasn't the best idea, because it could leave us without his signature and little time to switch to alternatives.
We’ve known for months we would need reinforcements regardless of the injury situation.Braindead wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:08 pmNot really.
Ever since Dyche has been here we've generally worked with a squad of 21/22 first teamers. All of a sudden we have SEVEN first team players on the injured list which is unprecedented. Leaving 14 plus the kids, hardly Garlick's fault.
Dyche needs to stop whinging and just get on with his job, as his constant snipes and media-mutterings are creating this division.
And there's still plenty of time to get them. It's not Mike Garlick's fault that the transfer window runs deep into the season.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:22 pmWe’ve known for months we would need reinforcements regardless of the injury situation.
Three similar players, you are forgetting about Corky.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:21 pm
Apparently, Arsenal are also after Roca, so if they are, then I guess he's no donkey. If we can get him at a decent price and he excels, then it would be worth having two similar players. After all, Sean likes two players for one position and we haven't had one, since Marney left.
As I say, time will tell.
I had forgot about Corky, but he's not a defensive midfielder in the same way as Marney was. Marney has never been replaced, not even by Barton who was a bit more forward thinking.Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:33 pmThree similar players, you are forgetting about Corky.
Surely he doesn’t need to wait to the last week of the window to land every single one of our targets?Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:25 pmAnd there's still plenty of time to get them. It's not Mike Garlick's fault that the transfer window runs deep into the season.
I do wonder to what extent the Gibson saga has soured things. Is MG happy with SD sacrificing the best part of £15m to protect Woan? All guesswork of course.
A bit muddled, a forecast and a budget are 2 very different things. The vast vast majority of businesses have more uncertainty over their turnover than we do and rely on the financial discipline of a plan/budget and a forecast. They are even more important in times of uncertainty.
Plenty of time we have been saying that since the window openedGordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:25 pmAnd there's still plenty of time to get them. It's not Mike Garlick's fault that the transfer window runs deep into the season.
Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:51 pmPlenty of time we have been saying that since the window opened and now its not far off closing and were a lot weaker than when it first opened
It might be frustrating but you and I both know that most deals take place in the last 48 hours. At this stage, players still have time to weigh up their options and their agents don't help either.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:41 pmSurely he doesn’t need to wait to the last week of the window to land every single one of our targets?
Yeah to be fair they’ve not had a lot of timeGordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:28 amSean seems to be a bigger problem than Mike Garlick at the moment in my opinion. It's time he stopped playing to the press and just gave the board a chance to bring people in. The board can't do anything about our extensive injury list, which is double what we might normally expect.
There is no time to get any points from the first 2 games. We will most likely be in the bt 3 after this round of games. Stop defending the undefensableGordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:25 pmAnd there's still plenty of time to get them. It's not Mike Garlick's fault that the transfer window runs deep into the season.
If we make some marquee signings, then yes.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:39 pmNo doubt then that you will offer your apologies when you turn out to be wrong then?
Give the board a chance to bring people in? I think that's exactly what SD has done and why he's less than happy with their progress.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:28 amSean seems to be a bigger problem than Mike Garlick at the moment in my opinion. It's time he stopped playing to the press and just gave the board a chance to bring people in. The board can't do anything about our extensive injury list, which is double what we might normally expect.
You need to learn patience. Do you think every other club in the division has finished signing people? No, they haven't.summitclaret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:01 pmThere is no time to get any points from the first 2 games. We will most likely be in the bt 3 after this round of games. Stop defending the undefensable
We knew Gibson was going We knew Ben was out and probably that JT was not going to sign an extension. What do we do. Argue about the odd million for a Dawson type.
I am seeing years' of progress at risk of potentially going because of an avoidable situation at cb. Not a question of patience anymore.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:41 pmYou need to learn patience. Do you think every other club in the division has finished signing people? No, they haven't.
If there was a sensible policy on transfer windows, it would shut before the season starts, not deep into it. As it is, we work within the constraints we have.
Maybe you think it's Mike Garlick's fault the window goes deep into the season? It wouldn't surprise me if you did.
Well I’m sure even tight Mike could stretch the purse strings to bring in a couple more £750k 30+ year old seasoned pros, but that isn’t exactly what we need.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:36 pmOh, it's Marquee signings now? Earlier, you just said "I’m not expecting anyone else in."
And who do you think gave us those years of progress? The existing board, that's who and it's time you paid them back with a bit of patience.summitclaret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:45 pmI am seeing years' of progress risk of potentially going because of an an avoidable situation cb. Not a question of patience anymore.
So what you are suggesting is bringing players in on 3 to 5 year contracts, just to be available for short term injuries?gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:48 pmLet's just look at our problems out wide as an example. We lost Hendrick, not replaced. We had Lennon as a back up - adequate but again not replaced which leaves McNeil, Brady, JBG and at a push brownhill who was signed to play in the middle. My issue with this is McNeil is still learning his trade but doing very well but Brady and JBG have torrid injury records over the past few years for us and it's no surprise both are out injured again. Knowing their previous for injuries and not replacing and addressing the issues out wide is disgraceful in my opinion.
How else do you bring players in? You have to give them contracts of some sort and so far as I'm aware, we can only have one loan player, who may still arrive.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:17 pmGordandale where did I mention 3-5 year contracts? You are just adding things on that I haven't said there. Look at the injury records of JBG and Brady. How can we realistically rely on those players to be fit for the entire season with only McNeil as the only other first team winger? Did dyche extend Brady's contract because he didn't trust the board to replace him? I don't know but what I do know that it's blind stupidity to rely on 2 players being fit as first choice who clearly have injury problems.
Mentioning city or Chelsea is irrelevant and you know that. Christ I would even accept a couple of loan deals to prepare for this eventuality. We needed upgrades out wide before Hendrick and Lennon left, now we seriously need options out wide. It's like witnessing a slow motion car crash and people having their hands in their ears singing la la la la everything is fine.
You're not the only one.ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:40 pmMust say I find it hard to believe we activated an extension clause for Brady.
Make that three!
