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The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by KateR » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:14 am

well that was something to behold, embarrassing I think a fair assessment with no real winner coming out of that, in fact neither coming out with any real credibility, of course as always IMO.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Damo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:21 am

Lots of shouting, name calling and avoided questions.
About as expected i suppose
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 am

It was indeed embarrassing, literally two bald men fighting over a comb
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:50 am

KateR wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:14 am
well that was something to behold, embarrassing I think a fair assessment with no real winner coming out of that, in fact neither coming out with any real credibility, of course as always IMO.
How sweet of you, to try to deflect Donalds ineptitude, Bullying, and downright refusal to condemn white supremacism as a tie.
How shameful of you!.........Do you have ANY decency?...

.....And before i'm accused of picking on Them, They, Men, Women etc etc.....Them, those etc started the thread!

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Damo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:00 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:50 am
How sweet of you, to try to deflect Donalds ineptitude, Bullying, and downright refusal to condemn white supremacism as a tie.
How shameful of you!.........Do you have ANY decency?...

.....And before i'm accused of picking on Them, They, Men, Women etc etc.....Them, those etc started the thread!
Exactly the honest, balanced appraisal most people would expect from you.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:03 am

it was a shambles, Biden was average at best, Trump was beyond horrific. 350 million and that's the choice
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Wokingclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:16 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:50 am
How sweet of you, to try to deflect Donalds ineptitude, Bullying, and downright refusal to condemn white supremacism as a tie.
How shameful of you!.........Do you have ANY decency?...

.....And before i'm accused of picking on Them, They, Men, Women etc etc.....Them, those etc started the thread!
Hmmm time for bed I think

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:29 am

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:00 am

What is a “bud fight”?

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Corky » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:21 am

As I have said before the Democrats should have been bolder and gone for the man that is Bernie Sanders. With Biden who has shown in the past that he is not a great debater, he just needs to make sure he doesn't make any mistakes, rather then perform well.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:25 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:50 am
How sweet of you, to try to deflect Donalds ineptitude, Bullying, and downright refusal to condemn white supremacism as a tie.
How shameful of you!.........Do you have ANY decency?...

.....And before i'm accused of picking on Them, They, Men, Women etc etc.....Them, those etc started the thread!
'Feelings' count for nothing in these debates. Not condemning white supremacy is abhorrent, but the purpose of the debate is to win votes and eventually beat your opponent to win the election.

Does Trumps refusal to condemn white supremacy damage him politically?

No, it doesn't. It would probably damaged him more if he condemned it. So politically and in the arena of winning the election, it was the right answer.

What's more worrying is that Biden is up against Trump and he's incapable of clearly winning a debate against someone who is not particularly intellectual and has made catastrophic failings during his time in office.

This is election is going to be close and it is going to be close because the opposition is poor on a horrific scale.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:30 am

Corky wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:21 am
As I have said before the Democrats should have been bolder and gone for the man that is Bernie Sanders. With Biden who has shown in the past that he is not a great debater, he just needs to make sure he doesn't make any mistakes, rather then perform well.
Absolutely no chance Bernie would win against Trump. Trump even came out numerous times during the race for the nomination and said he wanted to face Sanders. Many, many people, especially the powerful and influential people with wealth and media dislike Donald Trump, but they would dislike a socialist in the White House more.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... -democrats

The right were already queuing up the same anti-semitism stuff they did with Corbyn during the primaries. Even though Sanders is Jewish, they were trying to say his Judaism was “gaslighting” and that he was a real Jew because of his criticism of Israel and trying to link him to ties with the Soviet Union, all the same tactics.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by GandalfsBeard » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:38 am

He refused to denounce white supremacy because white supremacists make up a large portion of his voting base.

After the debate he tweeted this:

'Volunteer to be a Trump Election Poll Watcher. Sign up today! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain'

A trump poll watcher? He doesn't even disguise it as a 'government' poll watcher, even though that in itself would be a strange thing to tweet. He's being blatant in his intended use of voter intimidation.

Couple this with the suppression of the mail voting system, and the American election looks like it will take a very sinister turn.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by GandalfsBeard » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:42 am

A quote from the debate:

"Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about Antifa and the left."

It doesn't take a great leap of thought to read that as an incitement to violence. I suppose the next few weeks will bear that out or not.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Swizzlestick » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:57 am

Was indeed average so must go down as a defeat for Trump and his acolytes who were painting this as a debate where he’d wipe the floor with Biden.

That didn’t happen, and while Biden hardly hit it out of the park, Trump cane across as belligerent and annoying rather than in charge.

There’s always one main take away from these types of things and I think it will be Trump’s unwillingness to denounce white supremacists, which was astonishing.

Get used to that OP from Trump supporters over the next few days. “Both as bad as each other!” They’re really, really not.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:04 am

Watching those two just underlined once more, to the world, how fractured USA has become.
I doubt American politics has ever been very gracious. That was just embarrassing.
As with anything regarding Trump, it just quickly descended into chaos.
It's always his default mode, its what he creates, when involved in anything that remotely questions him.
And it is simply astounding the Dems only had Biden to endorse and contest the presidency against the awful excuse for a human being that Trump is.
The USA has become a humiliatingly bad, third world global reality show, littered with too many frightening consequences to dwell on.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by box_of_frogs » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:17 am

The only positive about COVID, is that we have been spared months of the American election buildup.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:25 am

Swizzlestick wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:57 am
Was indeed average so must go down as a defeat for Trump and his acolytes who were painting this as a debate where he’d wipe the floor with Biden.

That didn’t happen, and while Biden hardly hit it out of the park, Trump cane across as belligerent and annoying rather than in charge.

There’s always one main take away from these types of things and I think it will be Trump’s unwillingness to denounce white supremacists, which was astonishing.

Get used to that OP from Trump supporters over the next few days. “Both as bad as each other!” They’re really, really not.
So Trump came across as exactly the sort of person his voter base will endear themselves to.

They'll just see it as 'calling out' the left for their 'lies'

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by dsr » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:34 am

GandalfsBeard wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:38 am
He refused to denounce white supremacy because white supremacists make up a large portion of his voting base.

After the debate he tweeted this:

'Volunteer to be a Trump Election Poll Watcher. Sign up today! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain'

A trump poll watcher? He doesn't even disguise it as a 'government' poll watcher, even though that in itself would be a strange thing to tweet. He's being blatant in his intended use of voter intimidation.
Poll watchers are always appointed by the parties. It's the same in the UK. Each party (yes, including Democrats) has volunteers watching various aspects of the poll - specifically the count, but other aspects as well - to ensure it's done above board.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:25 am
What's more worrying is that Biden is up against Trump and he's incapable of clearly winning a debate against someone who is not particularly intellectual and has made catastrophic failings during his time in office.
You can't win a debate if the other party does not engage with the concept.
That was clearly Trumps tactic, he knows he'll lose in any coherent debate so his aim was to make the exercise pointless so the small portion of swing voters get nothing from it.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:07 am

Trump with a tactic many of us can relate to.

Will never beat Biden in the nicely dressed, nicely spoken, Ivy League debating club, but drag him down to a pub style argument and he has a chance. He knows very well that many white American men (i.e. not represented by any anti-discrimination pressure groups) feel very strongly that they are never given a chance in life by that upper middle class Ivy League group. That’s his base. His challenge is appealing beyond his base.

Biden is of course completely useless. Trump is dislikable because he is brash and different, but he was born into a tough neighbourhood in Queens and has had to deal with groups like the NY mafia all his life (and presumably his Dad, working in property development, would have done too, so even as a kid Trump would have seen some things the rest of us can’t even contemplate). His tenure as President has been a mix of big wins and crippling defeats, but it has been different. Biden, it will be same, same, same. Not sure with China trying to dominate the world that a Biden win will be in our interests (e.g. China trying to take over the Commonwealth like Barbados by bribing them with investment).

The next 30 years is going to make the Cold War seem like kids play fighting. We need tough leaders. (no, I don’t like Trump despite the above balanced view on him)
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:12 am

GandalfsBeard wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:42 am
A quote from the debate:

"Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about Antifa and the left."

It doesn't take a great leap of thought to read that as an incitement to violence. I suppose the next few weeks will bear that out or not.
How about bidens refusal to condemn the far left thugs ANTIFA and BLM? People defending their property is not white supremacy. Also trump has millions of black supporters so that arguments also flawed. How about Joe Bidens racism "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"? TRUMP 2020
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:14 am

Loving the backing for Trump from exactly the same people who have spent years denying reality.

He's a fascist, and he's ready to make America burn to stay in power.

"We need tough leaders"

People say stuff like that if they either don't care how it looks to normal people or don't learn any lessons from history.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:22 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:14 am
Loving the backing for Trump from exactly the same people who have spent years denying reality.

He's a fascist, and he's ready to make America burn to stay in power.

"We need tough leaders"

People say stuff like that if they either don't care how it looks to normal people or don't learn any lessons from history.
Aye, probably destined to end in disaster is this. But fascinating for history buffs, or just anyone really, wondering how fascism takes hold. You don't need a cunning mastermind. You don't even need nice uniforms. Just tap into human's base instincts, whip up your mob of 'us' against 'them' and you're there.

Happened a thousand times before and will happen again, we've just not been able to watch in 24/7 coverage previously.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:25 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:07 am
Trump with a tactic many of us can relate to.

Will never beat Biden in the nicely dressed, nicely spoken, Ivy League debating club, but drag him down to a pub style argument and he has a chance. He knows very well that many white American men (i.e. not represented by any anti-discrimination pressure groups) feel very strongly that they are never given a chance in life by that upper middle class Ivy League group. That’s his base. His challenge is appealing beyond his base.

Biden is of course completely useless. Trump is dislikable because he is brash and different, but he was born into a tough neighbourhood in Queens and has had to deal with groups like the NY mafia all his life (and presumably his Dad, working in property development, would have done too, so even as a kid Trump would have seen some things the rest of us can’t even contemplate). His tenure as President has been a mix of big wins and crippling defeats, but it has been different. Biden, it will be same, same, same. Not sure with China trying to dominate the world that a Biden win will be in our interests (e.g. China trying to take over the Commonwealth like Barbados by bribing them with investment).

The next 30 years is going to make the Cold War seem like kids play fighting. We need tough leaders. (no, I don’t like Trump despite the above balanced view on him)
Name one single ‘big win’. In 4 years.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by mkmel » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:27 am

White supremacists,anti abortion, homophobic,pro guns,religious extremists and outright racists are virtually guaranteed to vote for Trump so will that be enough to secure him another 4 years?
For them Trump can do no wrong!

And here in the UK we think we have it bad with the incompetent Johnson and his equally incompetent colleagues

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by GandalfsBeard » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:12 am
How about bidens refusal to condemn the far left thugs ANTIFA and BLM? People defending their property is not white supremacy. Also trump has millions of black supporters so that arguments also flawed. How about Joe Bidens racism "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"? TRUMP 2020
If you're going to compare the ideology behind white supremacy to the BLM movement I don't know what to tell you.

Trump having black supporters doesn't prove or disprove anything. He also has many female supporters, yet has been recorded speaking in a sexist way. The race or gender of the people who support him aren't evidence of trump's character.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:07 am

GandalfsBeard wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 am
If you're going to compare the ideology behind white supremacy to the BLM movement I don't know what to tell you.

Trump having black supporters doesn't prove or disprove anything. He also has many female supporters, yet has been recorded speaking in a sexist way. The race or gender of the people who support him aren't evidence of trump's character.
And your theory of white supremacy is nonsense my friend. Easy to criticise trump on this board but how about looking at the other candidate and maybe watch some alternate media. Did you know trump has been nominated 3 Times for the nobel peace prize? No you probably didn't as its not being covered yet Obama starts dropping bombs and still gets awarded it. I'm fine for anyone having valid points but the left refuses to acknowledge anything. Oh and BTW black unemployment is at a record low under trump. Keep up the great work Mr President 👍
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Gordaleman » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:07 am

Trump is continually complaining about voter fraud through 'Mail in' ballots, yet is more than happy to accept them from the military where he believes his power base is.

The military have been using 'Mail in' votes for over 100 years and there has never been any real problems. (Even during war time.) Why does he think civilian votes, from people who can see first hand the effect of his policy's should be any different?

CBS and other news organisations say he interupted Joe Biden when he was speaking about 73 times. The man is a racist, a hypocrite and a bully. Joe Biden stood up well to all Trump's bullying tactics calling the 'President' a clown and telling hin to "Shut up" and "Keep yapping man." at intervals during the so called debate.

God help the world if Trump is re-elected.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:11 am

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."

And he's still defended by people on here.

Seriously lads, your masks are slipping faster than Johnsons poll ratings.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:13 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:25 am
Name one single ‘big win’. In 4 years.
Thinking that myself. :(

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:13 am

If Trump wins, he'll claim its a victory for democracy. If he doesn't, he'll claim that democracy is a fraud.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:14 am

Also, his rants are akin to a tap room alcoholic, rather than the president of the United States. Embarrassing.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:07 am
Did you know trump has been nominated 3 Times for the nobel peace prize?
Aye, by far right politicians. Do your research.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:11 am
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."

And he's still defended by people on here.

Seriously lads, your masks are slipping faster than Johnsons poll ratings.
Why didn't biden condemn ANTIFA and BLM seeing as he was asked the question first? TRUMP LANDSLIDE. People are woke unlike some on here

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:19 am

"Antifa is an idea, not an organisation"


https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 1850832904

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:21 am

"Antifa is an idea, not an organisation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 6105576448

:lol:

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:23 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 am
Aye, by far right politicians. Do your research.
Who you call far right which is anyone not on the extreme left. Wise up

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:23 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 am
Why didn't biden condemn ANTIFA and BLM seeing as he was asked the question first? TRUMP LANDSLIDE. People are woke unlike some on here
So you think Trump is going to win by a big majority then?

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:24 am

"Antifa is an idea, not an organisation"


https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 4541600768


:lol:
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:24 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:21 am
"Antifa is an idea, not an organisation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 6105576448

:lol:
Spot on mate. Its a terrorist organisation funded by George Soros. These lefties are beyond help and the fact they keep losing is fantastic and shows that the silent majority is real

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:25 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:23 am
So you think Trump is going to win by a big majority then?
Ignoring the question are we? Can't say I'm surprised

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:25 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:23 am
Who you call far right which is anyone not on the extreme left. Wise up
No, I'm talking about politicians who have links to far right groups.

For example, the EDL or the BNP. Those type of groups.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 9937849345

A driver accused of attempted murder for driving a car into a crowd of Trump supporters in southern California and severely injuring two people has been revealed to be Tatiana Rita Turner, a major Black Lives Matter organizer.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:28 am

Oh well. Another one bites the dust. An interesting thread about last night's debate, until the village idiot started spamming it.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by aggi » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:34 am
Poll watchers are always appointed by the parties. It's the same in the UK. Each party (yes, including Democrats) has volunteers watching various aspects of the poll - specifically the count, but other aspects as well - to ensure it's done above board.
I think this is actually the first time in many years that the Republicans will be allowed to have "poll watchers" due to previous voter intimidation.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 9937849345

A driver accused of attempted murder for driving a car into a crowd of Trump supporters in southern California and severely injuring two people has been revealed to be Tatiana Rita Turner, a major Black Lives Matter organizer.
Looking forward to the lefties view on this. Can only imagine what they'd say if a trump supporters ran into BLM. They can't see their own hypocrisy Ringo its insane.

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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:31 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am
Looking forward to the lefties view on this. Can only imagine what they'd say if a trump supporters ran into BLM. They can't see their own hypocrisy Ringo its insane.
Here you go:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46490492
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:32 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am
Looking forward to the lefties view on this. Can only imagine what they'd say if a trump supporters ran into BLM. They can't see their own hypocrisy Ringo its insane.
If she did it she should be put in prison. I don’t think you’ll find any contrary ‘lefties views.
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:33 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:07 am
Did you know trump has been nominated 3 Times for the nobel peace prize? No you probably didn't as its not being covered yet Obama starts dropping bombs and still gets awarded it. I'm fine for anyone having valid points but the left refuses to acknowledge anything.
He’s been nominated by a right wing Norwegian MP (who previously nominated him for his meeting with Kim Jong Un) for his role in UAE/Israel deal, by a Swedish MP for his role in normalising economic relations between Serbia and Kosovo and a group of Australian professors for not involving US in more wars!

Biden, as well as being endorsed by 81 Nobel Prize Winners, has also been nominated by a UK MP!

I think it’s more of a reflection on the nomination system than anything else!!
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