The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

[kentonclaret]

From Day 1 Donald Trump has never taken Covid19 seriously referring to it "as just like the flu that we see every year" as the outbreak started to spread globally.

During the recent Presidential Debate didn't Trump castigate the Mayor of New York for the continued lockdown measures in place in that city?

[Vegas Claret]

pretty sure he will survive it and then we can play Trump phrase bingo - what will he say:

A: I fought it like nobody else and won big
B: I beat it like nobody would believe, like nobody in the history of the world
C: it's a conspiracy involving Obama, Clinton and the radical left
D: All of the above

fwiw I think it's bullshit, he has lots to gain by pretending to have it then getting over it in record time to say “ see, its not a big deal.’ Plus he gets to skip the next debate. How convenient

[PeterWilton]

If it is bullshit I suspect we'll find out. There's no way the Trump admin has the competence to pull off this hoax without getting found out.

My only concern is for Joe Biden. As long as he isn't infected then everything is fine. Would love to see him wear a mask during any future debate, with either president Trump or president Pence.

[PeterWilton]

According to people inside the trump administration inner circle some of them thought Trump was poorly on Wednesday, saying he seemed exhausted.

Pence has tested negative.

[Gordaleman]

pretty sure he will survive it and then we can play Trump phrase bingo - what will he say:

A: I fought it like nobody else and won big
B: I beat it like nobody would believe, like nobody in the history of the world
C: it's a conspiracy involving Obama, Clinton and the radical left
D: All of the above

fwiw I think it's bullshit, he has lots to gain by pretending to have it then getting over it in record time to say “ see, its not a big deal.’ Plus he gets to skip the next debate. How convenient

He certainly wants to skip the next debate. He was expecting to "Demolish" Biden in the first one and didn't even lay a glove on him. Now, because of his constant interruptions during that debate, the broadcasters are seemingly going to disable the microphone of the person not speaking, to stop those interruptions. That will stop his fans hearing him, but Biden will still have to battle through the noise.

Whether or not this is 'Fake' news, I don't know, but he'll certainly be looking for the sympathy vote, and eventually, as you say, bragging about how strong a President he is to have beaten "The Chinese virus".

[PeterWilton]

He certainly wants to skip the next debate. He was expecting to "Demolish" Biden in the first one and didn't even lay a glove on him. Now, because of his constant interruptions during that debate, the broadcasters are seemingly going to disable the microphone of the person not speaking, to stop those interruptions. That will stop his fans hearing him, but Biden will still have to battle through the noise.

Whether or not this is 'Fake' news, I don't know, but he'll certainly be looking for the sympathy vote, and eventually, as you say, bragging about how strong a President he is to have beaten "The Chinese virus".

Biden has a stutter that Trump was clearly trying to take advantage of during the debate. That's why the interruptions were even worse than against Clinton. That seemed to be his only plan. Which makes sense because the man has absolutely nothing of substance to him.

[Gordaleman]

Biden has a stutter that Trump was clearly trying to take advantage of during the debate. That's why the interruptions were even worse than against Clinton. That seemed to be his only plan. Which makes sense because the man has absolutely nothing of substance to him.

I just hope the broadcasters keep their word and disable the microphone of the one not speaking. Trump will be utterly lost if he can't use his bullying tactics.

[Bordeauxclaret]

To be honest I hope he is making it up because if he does have it he’s in serious trouble.
75 and obese if not clinically obese. The odds are not good for him.

[dsr]

To be honest I hope he is making it up because if he does have it he’s in serious trouble.
75 and obese if not clinically obese. The odds are not good for him.

Approximately 1 in 20 of over 80's who get it, die with it. The odds aren't as bad as the publicity suggests.

[PeterWilton]

Approximately 1 in 20 of over 80's who get it, die with it. The odds aren't as bad as the publicity suggests.

It's more than twice that.

Over 10 percent just based on his sex and age group

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... /index.htm

Throw in his already poor health on top of that, like his pre-diabetes and high blood pressure and he could end up in some trouble. Kinda depends on if he's taking ace inhibitors for it though. If he's not then having higher BP doesn't really matter too much.

Hell probably survive, but still, when was the last time a sitting US president had a greater than 10 percent chance of being dead in a few weeks? I bet he's glad to have socialised health care.

[Gordaleman]

There's two ways of looking at this.

1. He's probably faking it to get the sympathy vote but even I wouldn't hope for his death and I can't stand the bombastic fool.

2. If he isn't and he succumbs, then the world will be a far better place for the next four years, whoever takes over.

[aggi]

He's in several high risk groups - elderly, obese, low-income and person of colour.

[Vegas Claret]

this made me chuckle

[Vegas Claret]

It's more than twice that.

Over 10 percent just based on his sex and age group

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... /index.htm

Throw in his already poor health on top of that, like his pre-diabetes and high blood pressure and he could end up in some trouble. Kinda depends on if he's taking ace inhibitors for it though. If he's not then having higher BP doesn't really matter too much.

Hell probably survive, but still, when was the last time a sitting US president had a greater than 10 percent chance of being dead in a few weeks? I bet he's glad to have socialised health care.

he'll have the best care money can buy, I'd be gobsmacked if he isn't out and about in a few weeks

[dsr]

It's more than twice that.

Over 10 percent just based on his sex and age group

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... /index.htm

Throw in his already poor health on top of that, like his pre-diabetes and high blood pressure and he could end up in some trouble. Kinda depends on if he's taking ace inhibitors for it though. If he's not then having higher BP doesn't really matter too much.

Hell probably survive, but still, when was the last time a sitting US president had a greater than 10 percent chance of being dead in a few weeks? I bet he's glad to have socialised health care.

Just before Reagan got shot, I presume.

This report suggests death rate of about 2% for 75 year olds rising to 15% at age 90. (Figure 3.) Where do you get your 10% from? I can see the number of over-75 deaths is 51,365 but I can't see a figure for number of cases?

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/36/220 ... gures-data

[Buxtonclaret]

He's in several high risk groups - elderly, obese, low-income and person of colour.

Bit naughty that, Aggi.
Had to giggle though.

[PeterWilton]

Just before Reagan got shot, I presume.

This report suggests death rate of about 2% for 75 year olds rising to 15% at age 90. (Figure 3.) Where do you get your 10% from? I can see the number of over-75 deaths is 51,365 but I can't see a figure for number of cases?

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/36/220 ... gures-data

I linked it. Scroll to age range 65-74.

You've misinterpreted that chart. It's not measuring the death rate of people with Covid, it's just estimating the overall death rate per age. It's estimating that 2% of 75 year olds die because of Covid. The baseline shows you how that related to a more typical year (2017) and the dotted line shows you what the excess looks like.

[PeterWilton]

Apparently Mike Pence has taken over some of Trump's duties already and replaced him on a call with the NY governor.
Kinda weird that mild symptoms of a totally not serious virus would mean he can't accept a scheduled phone call. But who knows. Maybe he's rewatching Fox & Friends.

[PeterWilton]

Biden has tested negative, thank ****.

[Corky]

According to people inside the trump administration inner circle some of them thought Trump was poorly on Wednesday, saying he seemed exhausted.

Pence has tested negative.

Pence has tested negative for what, being a human being.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Pence hasn’t been the same since his role in Under Siege 2.

[tiger76]

Former Hillary Clinton spokeswoman says she 'hopes Donald Trump dies' after he contracts Covid-19

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/former-hillar ... 2473.html

I thought the Dems were supposed to be avoiding these kind of behaviours. No wonder American politics is in the gutter right now.

[PeterWilton]

Yep. That's definitely going to trigger the "**** your feelings" brigade.
I suppose she should learn from the right about how to be more politically correct.

[PeterWilton]

Hospitalised already. Jesus.

[Bordeauxclaret]

In good spirits, still working.

Where have we seen that from a leader before?

[Lancasterclaret]

Working on what?

He's only got the one job at the moment, and there are 200,000 reasons why he's failing

[Bordeauxclaret]

The nurses perhaps.

It’s exactly the same wording we heard about Johnson.
As I said before, if he has got it he’s in big trouble.
You only need to look at the size of him.

[Jakubclaret]

He certainly wants to skip the next debate. He was expecting to "Demolish" Biden in the first one and didn't even lay a glove on him. Now, because of his constant interruptions during that debate, the broadcasters are seemingly going to disable the microphone of the person not speaking, to stop those interruptions. That will stop his fans hearing him, but Biden will still have to battle through the noise.

Whether or not this is 'Fake' news, I don't know, but he'll certainly be looking for the sympathy vote, and eventually, as you say, bragging about how strong a President he is to have beaten "The Chinese virus".

That's unfair, even with the age & obesity there's every likelihood some resistance might be mustered up & no doubt on hand medical advice & assistance will be available, any recovery lends to the favourable circumstances. Can it be possible on a humanity level to just wish any fellow human the best sort of luck despite any angst anybody might harbour.

[Bordeauxclaret]

You don’t do irony do you Jakub.

[Devils_Advocate]

Seen people asking who's in charge if Trump is holed up in hospital. Not sure what difference Trump being sick makes as its business as usual as far as I can see

[PeterWilton]

Pelosi has been contacted by the White House relating to continuity of government. Probably because if power has to go to Pence for any period of time, Pelosi would be next in line.

Sounds alarming but might just be standard protocol.

Trump's boarded Marine One now. Will be kinda cool to watch it lift off.

[Spijed]

Thankfully he looks ok:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0352972800

[PeterWilton]

Indeed. I was worried for a bit that I'd have to stop laughing at the dumb fascist.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Best wishes to Trump and his wife. For all his faults, there aren’t many US presidents who love the UK like he does. He may or may not be the best choice for President, but he is a friend to the UK.

If, hopefully when, he recovers, it’ll be interesting to see his stance on the “China virus” as he called it, and on the country he blames for it. Biden may have to copy that stance for the rest of the campaign.

[Spijed]

If, hopefully when, he recovers, it’ll be interesting to see his stance on the “China virus” as he called it, and on the country he blames for it. Biden may have to copy that stance for the rest of the campaign.

Trump is going to have to tell his base that the virus is real as many of them still think it's a hoax. They seem to think they should have the freedom not to wear a mask which is now a very dangerous belief.

There is the attitude amongst his supporters that social distance measures and mask wearing is a step towards curtailing their freedoms.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Trump is going to have to tell his base that the virus is real as many of them still think it's a hoax. They seem to think they should have the freedom not to wear a mask which is now a very dangerous belief.

There is the attitude amongst his supporters that social distance measures and mask wearing is a step towards curtailing their freedoms.

Which it is.

Doesn’t make it wrong, but it does curtail their freedoms. Just like locking our kids up in university with guards stopping them leaving curtails ours.

Before we conclude if it was right to curtail those freedoms we meed to be 10-20 years down the road, and see if it has changed our cultures for the worse. Personally, I feel that individual choice still has a role to play, such as whether to lock yourself down or whether to go to the pub. There has to be a stop to outrageous behaviour like having house parties but stopping even low risk stuff like grandparents seeing grandkids (if they choose to) seems wrong.

[dsr]

Trump is going to have to tell his base that the virus is real as many of them still think it's a hoax. They seem to think they should have the freedom not to wear a mask which is now a very dangerous belief.

There is the attitude amongst his supporters that social distance measures and mask wearing is a step towards curtailing their freedoms.

A lot of people in America are less concerned than people over here with maximising their opportunities to live to 100. While a large proportion of the nation will look at every conceivable way of extending their lives, another large proportion doesn't care and will eat everything fried and just get on with things. And quite a lot of them die younger than they need to - that's the risk they take.

It isn't because they don't believe they will die. It's because they want to live their life they way they want to and they will take their own chances. Living long enough to die in a nursing home doesn't ride high on their priorities.

That's their big objection to wearing a mask. They don't like being told what to do.

[PeterWilton]

So, they're selfish as **** is what you're saying. Taking an incredibly minor action to increase the safety of others is too offensive to them.

I notice they don't have a problem with things like traffic lights.

[Buxtonclaret]

Pence hasn’t been the same since his role in Under Siege 2.

Is that the one where they locked Trump in the Bunker?

[Vegas Claret]

Best wishes to Trump and his wife. For all his faults, there aren’t many US presidents who love the UK like he does. He may or may not be the best choice for President, but he is a friend to the UK.

If, hopefully when, he recovers, it’ll be interesting to see his stance on the “China virus” as he called it, and on the country he blames for it. Biden may have to copy that stance for the rest of the campaign.

ok, just so you understand, Trump doesn't give one iota of a flying **** about anyone other than himself. He likes the UK because BJ sticks his tongue up his arse, the second he doesn't do that he will prefer another country.

I make no secret of it, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I vote for what I believe to be the best for the US at the time of voting - but Donald Trump is truly the only person I actually despise on earth. He's a %$#, I feel incredibly sorry for Barron.

edit:I wish him no harm though, I hope he recovers from covid etc - I just think he is a complete cock

[Corky]

Now that Trump has well and truly debunked this notion held by his lunatic right wing fringe that CV19 is a big fat hoax they might start showing some empathy for their fellow Americans and practice social distancing and the wearing of masks. After all it is just common sense but that is something in short supply for those who insist on the right to arm bears.

[PeterWilton]

Now that Trump has well and truly debunked this notion held by his lunatic right wing fringe that CV19 is a big fat hoax they might start showing some empathy for their fellow Americans and practice social distancing and the wearing of masks.

Lol. Good one.

[Zlatan]

Biden has tested negative, thank ****.

For now.

[Zlatan]

I worry that if he dies it will make him a Martyr for all his looney followers, so for that reason alone I wish him a speedy recovery... so he can go to the polls and lose fair and square... then die from complications of long term Covid exposure.

[HahaYeah]

Looks like the Donald is on the mend already.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0352972800

[PeterWilton]

Looks like the Donald is on the mend already.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0352972800

Given how you have a near 100% wrong post history this post is really bad news for the president.

Also, you understand that after recording that clip he was taken straight to hospital, right?

[PeterWilton]

For now.

Fsir point. He'll still need more tests before he's in the clear.

[HahaYeah]

He will be fine.

No vascular issues or underlying problems just slightly overweight.

All the hysterical pink pussy hat wearers and x wing commanders on here shouldn't build their hopes up.

Melania will be fine too.

[CrosspoolClarets]

ok, just so you understand, Trump doesn't give one iota of a flying **** about anyone other than himself. He likes the UK because BJ sticks his tongue up his arse, the second he doesn't do that he will prefer another country.

I make no secret of it, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I vote for what I believe to be the best for the US at the time of voting - but Donald Trump is truly the only person I actually despise on earth. He's a %$#, I feel incredibly sorry for Barron.

edit:I wish him no harm though, I hope he recovers from covid etc - I just think he is a complete cock

OK, we can split hairs about whether Trump likes the UK and sympathises with poorer people. I tend to believe him on the basis that his mum was Scottish, the daughter of a very poor crofter on the Isle of Lewis, and even after moving to the US she worked as a housekeeper and a hospital volunteer. To be fair to Biden, his Dad was a used car salesman and lived in the impoverished Scranton for a while (The Office), they are both better in that regard than many politicians.

But this thing about the only person despised on earth. I asked others this question yesterday (predictably got no replies), how would you compare him to China’s Xi? If it turns out that China invades Taiwan (likely this decade), steals Commonwealth countries like Barbados (happening now), and is ultimately proven to be conducting genocide on the Uighar Muslims (suspected) - is Trump the only person still despised on earth?

I don’t particularly like Trump myself, but the word despicable I would reserve for a small selection of others.

[PeterWilton]

pink pussy hat wearers and x wing commanders

Does anyone here speak whatever language this is?