She was right.DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:08 pmSame as Hilary Clinton's calling millions of Americans "deplorables" yet I bet you still supported her 4 years ago
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Dom, you need to understand the mechanics of a conversation. When I say that you’ve called me names, you dispute it and then I prove it then anyone else other than me and you calling other people names isn’t relevant. The point was in your response to me you chose to call me a name rather than answer questions. Whether Hilary Clinton has called people names and whether I condemn it doesn’t change that point.DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:13 pmIts not about me at all, its about Trump v the Democrats. Quite happy to accept it as an insult when the "right" say it but when the left say it you blatantly refuse to acknowledge it let alone say its wrong.
So, with that concluded, onto those mainstream media lies you were going to tell me about.
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I see you're still struggling with concepts like proof and evidence.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:54 pmI dont. If it was proven, I'd condemn it immediately.
Want to take the opportunity to condemn it when its been proven to be happening on a massive scale by democracy usurping so called "democrats"?
Yes or no. ?
I assume that if someone showed you a video of an anonymous person claiming Ringo had murdered someone you'd hand yourself in because it had been proven?
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How many of you boys (and girls) have an actual vote in what's going on, or are you all get ridiculously het up about a game you've no skin in?
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Whether he wins or loses the election he’s either been lying to IRS or to the banks that have loaned him huge amounts of money. One is tax fraud, the other is just fraud. Either way, he’ll go to jail ......eventually.
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I happen to know people in quite a few British Anti-Facist groups and I can assure you that they receive absolutely no funding from anyone.DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:24 amSpot on mate. Its a terrorist organisation funded by George Soros. These lefties are beyond help and the fact they keep losing is fantastic and shows that the silent majority is real
They are merely fiercely opposed to racism.
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The only impressive thing about last night was two 70+ year old men lasting 90 minutes without going to the bathroom.
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actually you're only surmising this, as they could have had bags, unless you meant walking/running off to the bathroom like DierFactualFrank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:54 pmThe only impressive thing about last night was two 70+ year old men lasting 90 minutes without going to the bathroom.
I would have been more impressed if they could actually run !
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damages him massivelyUpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:25 am'Feelings' count for nothing in these debates. Not condemning white supremacy is abhorrent, but the purpose of the debate is to win votes and eventually beat your opponent to win the election.
Does Trumps refusal to condemn white supremacy damage him politically?
No, it doesn't. It would probably damaged him more if he condemned it. So politically and in the arena of winning the election, it was the right answer.
What's more worrying is that Biden is up against Trump and he's incapable of clearly winning a debate against someone who is not particularly intellectual and has made catastrophic failings during his time in office.
This is election is going to be close and it is going to be close because the opposition is poor on a horrific scale.
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so you think BLM are Antifa ?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:46 pm"Antifa is just an idea, not an organisation " Jo Biden
The #antifa mob in Portland cheer as one of their comrades hurls an incendiary device atPortlandPolice
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 9143238667
BLM-antifa rioters set the PortlandPolice central precinct on fire. They’ve also broken out the windows high up by throwing large rocks. #PortlandRiots #antifa
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 4577175554
This has been happening for months. Yet the whataboutery from the usual suspects on here obsessing about what the Proud boys may or may not do is hilarious. But you can do that from a leafy village in north Lancashire. Thousands of miles away from the terrorist bloodshed perpetrated by violent Marxists that you're clearly giving you tacit approval to , cant you!
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Seems those Tena pads in XXL worked just as well for these guysFactualFrank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:54 pmThe only impressive thing about last night was two 70+ year old men lasting 90 minutes without going to the bathroom.
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalatin ... ted-states
As you can see from this report, even after grouping together various groups from anarchists to environmentalists, to indigenous rights campaigners under the banner of “the left” the right are still overwhelmingly offer the threat (and fact) of violence.
As you can see from this report, even after grouping together various groups from anarchists to environmentalists, to indigenous rights campaigners under the banner of “the left” the right are still overwhelmingly offer the threat (and fact) of violence.
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There is literally nothing that James o'keefe has ever "exposed" that hasn't turned out to be him and his expose` being a complete fraud.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:34 pmSystematic vote rigging by Democrats uncovered -
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connected cash-for-ballots harvesting scheme EXPOSED “Money is the king in everything”; harvester boasts harvesting HUNDREDS of 2020 absentee ballots ILLEGALLY! “Numbers do not lie...these here are all absentee ballots…my car is full…”
So of course Ringo believes him.
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that's what cost her the election imho. She upset a lot of people (and rightly so) by saying thatDomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:08 pmSame as Hilary Clinton's calling millions of Americans "deplorables" yet I bet you still supported her 4 years ago
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Next Ringo will be linking to a Jacob Wohl sourced scandal.
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Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:52 pmthat's what cost her the election imho. She upset a lot of people (and rightly so) by saying that
Lol. ********. What cost her the election was 15 years of republicans using the tools of government to fabricate scandal after scandal, and gullible rubes falling for it.
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ahhh those pesky media people again and the stupid public, it's really is a pathetic kind of mantra to keep trying to shove, it is discounted completely except by those who need an excuse for being on the losing side time after time.
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Well, yes, I'm grouping the media among the gullible rubes for uncritically reporting these fake scandals.
How am I wrong? Or are you not disputing that, but you're just upset I said it?
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Just been reading through this discussion. There's a rather nasty whiff of BNP coming across from some quarters.
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Not really. These white supremacists are his party's base. And all he cares about is keeping them onside.
We have to realise that he's not trying to win the election, he's trying to win the aftermath of the election. And hell use ANY means necessary to do that, including activating his base to go around killing "the left", a term he is teaching these people to consider to be equal to "terrorist".
Anyone who learned about how Hitler secured power knows what Trump's doing, and we know what's coming. Something these fascists have been hoping for on their forums for a long time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_o ... ong_Knives
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Trump had one tactic........Disrupt, shout down and Lie his ass off. Just another day at the office for the 'Racist in chief'!CombatClaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 amYou can't win a debate if the other party does not engage with the concept.
That was clearly Trumps tactic, he knows he'll lose in any coherent debate so his aim was to make the exercise pointless so the small portion of swing voters get nothing from it.
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Trump supporter on the President Trump vs Chris Wallace debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq6MfyqwRpQ
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Pure fiction!CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:07 amTrump with a tactic many of us can relate to.
Will never beat Biden in the nicely dressed, nicely spoken, Ivy League debating club, but drag him down to a pub style argument and he has a chance. He knows very well that many white American men (i.e. not represented by any anti-discrimination pressure groups) feel very strongly that they are never given a chance in life by that upper middle class Ivy League group. That’s his base. His challenge is appealing beyond his base.
Biden is of course completely useless. Trump is dislikable because he is brash and different, but he was born into a tough neighbourhood in Queens and has had to deal with groups like the NY mafia all his life (and presumably his Dad, working in property development, would have done too, so even as a kid Trump would have seen some things the rest of us can’t even contemplate). His tenure as President has been a mix of big wins and crippling defeats, but it has been different. Biden, it will be same, same, same. Not sure with China trying to dominate the world that a Biden win will be in our interests (e.g. China trying to take over the Commonwealth like Barbados by bribing them with investment).
The next 30 years is going to make the Cold War seem like kids play fighting. We need tough leaders. (no, I don’t like Trump despite the above balanced view on him)
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do some research and look at how many times Trump has claimed Fake News during the last few years, your myopic view is boring, I can categorically tell you both of them told lies last night.PeterWilton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:01 pmWell, yes, I'm grouping the media among the gullible rubes for uncritically reporting these fake scandals.
How am I wrong? Or are you not disputing that, but you're just upset I said it?
I am not upset you said it, you're not wrong but you seems to be of a strong belief that it all happens on one side only, and you think anyone not standing with you is stupid and gullible and that's where you lose any credibility with me. Try being a little more fair in your posts and then it's worth debating but pontificating and making statements that you do, believing it is the absolute truth is boring, you'll be telling us that Trump tells lies soon as if everyone is not aware of it.
Not everyone thinks like you, that does not make everyone who doesn't into some complete racist bumbling idiot, which is what comes across in your posts. This is a perception I think you should consider.
Having said all of the above, I am not saying I would vote for Trump or that he is great and support everything he does/says as gospel, I also think the same around Biden, so temper your responses to that please.
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More Cool-aid with your Racist views Dom?DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:17 amWhy didn't biden condemn ANTIFA and BLM seeing as he was asked the question first? TRUMP LANDSLIDE. People are woke unlike some on here
ANTIFA are anti Fascists, a loose band of people who oppose the Fascistic direction the country is taking.
BLM are protests aiming to overturn Century's of oppression and discrimination against Blacks.
WHY would he condemn them?
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Another angle to this is, “what would Trump have to do for you to stop supporting him?”
To the far right and the far left, the cult of the leader has always been important. Trumps projected persona has been central to his success and it’s amazing how many have responded to the call.
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I can't be the only one who saw that Trump refused to condemn white supremacists and wondered how people would spin that. It's a bit like watching a car crash, you just can't look away.
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This is where I stopped bothering to read your post.
I say the media uncritically reported on fake Clinton scandals for years, and you seem to think that Trump calling everything "fake news" somehow disproves that.
Explain your point and then I'll read the rest of it.
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What did Biden lie about last night, just for some balance?KateR wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:19 pmdo some research and look at how many times Trump has claimed Fake News during the last few years, your myopic view is boring, I can categorically tell you both of them told lies last night.
I am not upset you said it, you're not wrong but you seems to be of a strong belief that it all happens on one side only, and you think anyone not standing with you is stupid and gullible and that's where you lose any credibility with me. Try being a little more fair in your posts and then it's worth debating but pontificating and making statements that you do, believing it is the absolute truth is boring, you'll be telling us that Trump tells lies soon as if everyone is not aware of it.
Not everyone thinks like you, that does not make everyone who doesn't into some complete racist bumbling idiot, which is what comes across in your posts. This is a perception I think you should consider.
Having said all of the above, I am not saying I would vote for Trump or that he is great and support everything he does/says as gospel, I also think the same around Biden, so temper your responses to that please.
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standard answer when asked anything that might be difficult to understand and reply to, typical Trump tactics right out of the play book as you always do, so little substance in anything you write. I happen to read everything you write, just shows clearly another difference between you and me but you can always claim ignorance since you did not read it, therefore something we can agree on is that.PeterWilton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:27 pmThis is where I stopped bothering to read your post.
I say the media uncritically reported on fake Clinton scandals for years, and you seem to think that Trump calling everything "fake news" somehow disproves that.
Explain your point and then I'll read the rest of it.
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All I asked of you was to explain how Trump calling the media fake news everyday has anything to do with the fake Clinton scandals that the republicans, Trump included, pushed, and the media reported.KateR wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:32 pmstandard answer when asked anything that might be difficult to understand and reply to, typical Trump tactics right out of pthe play book as you always do, so little substance in anything you write. I happen to read everything you write, just shows clearly another difference between you and me but you can always claim ignorance since you did not read it, therefore something we can agree on is that.
It's not difficult. I just don't want to waste my time with someone I suspect isn't engaging in the discussion with good faith arguments. I'm asking to prove that wrong, and then I'll engage with you again.
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let me give you just one for now assuming you watched the whole thing and listened to what was actually said, by that I mean what was actually said around a question when it was asked because so many here taking snippets of answers to justify there stance.
Biden,
Manufacturing went in to the hole before C-19, this is a lie that has been proven time and time again, manufacturing jobs has continued to increase under Trump since he took over up to C-19.
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Before Covid US manufacturing was in recession.KateR wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:46 pmlet me give you just one for now assuming you watched the whole thing and listened to what was actually said, by that I mean what was actually said around a question when it was asked because so many here taking snippets of answers to justify there stance.
Biden,
Manufacturing went in to the hole before C-19, this is a lie that has been proven time and time again, manufacturing jobs has continued to increase under Trump since he took over up to C-19.
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Your views are Deplorable!DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:08 pmSame as Hilary Clinton's calling millions of Americans "deplorables" yet I bet you still supported her 4 years ago
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so I provide data from the US Bureau of Statistics and Walter comes back with a counter from a media source, the very media that support the right and make all the people stupid and gullible, you can't make this stuff up.
Crime declined during Trump’s first two years, except for rape, which increased:
The FBI’s annual Crime in the United States report, released Sept. 30, shows 1,199 fewer murders were committed in 2018 than in 2016, when Trump was elected. That’s a decline of 6.9%.
But despite that decline, the murder rate per 100,000 people, which was 5.0 last year, still was above the record low set in 2014, when it was 4.4.
As a candidate, Trump repeatedly claimed that the murder rate was “the highest it’s been in 45 years.” That was far from true. The rate did rise during President Obama’s final two years, to 5.4 per 100,000 in 2016.
Balanced post, just facts from both sides, that's all I look at, not the lies continued to be spouted by those with myopic views. They are both politicians, news flash, politicians lie, regardless of where you're leanings are.
The one fact some need to be able to digest is that not everything Trump has done is a lie and a failure, when you continue to purport that lie you show yourselves for what you are to anyone with any sense, not just people on the right whom you're trying to score points off.
Crime declined during Trump’s first two years, except for rape, which increased:
The FBI’s annual Crime in the United States report, released Sept. 30, shows 1,199 fewer murders were committed in 2018 than in 2016, when Trump was elected. That’s a decline of 6.9%.
But despite that decline, the murder rate per 100,000 people, which was 5.0 last year, still was above the record low set in 2014, when it was 4.4.
As a candidate, Trump repeatedly claimed that the murder rate was “the highest it’s been in 45 years.” That was far from true. The rate did rise during President Obama’s final two years, to 5.4 per 100,000 in 2016.
Balanced post, just facts from both sides, that's all I look at, not the lies continued to be spouted by those with myopic views. They are both politicians, news flash, politicians lie, regardless of where you're leanings are.
The one fact some need to be able to digest is that not everything Trump has done is a lie and a failure, when you continue to purport that lie you show yourselves for what you are to anyone with any sense, not just people on the right whom you're trying to score points off.
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Last word from me before I disappear again but I take it that everyone wants to live in a democracy.
To do that, you have to spot the dangers before its too late to stop them without having to resort to violence.
Trump (to me) is a massive warning sign of what is to come, and his words last night about the proud boys should be a siren call for all who want to listen to the dangers.
I know there is no chance of getting through to the proper f**knuggets on here, so I'll ignore them, but vast majority will recognise him for what he is and condemn.
To do that, you have to spot the dangers before its too late to stop them without having to resort to violence.
Trump (to me) is a massive warning sign of what is to come, and his words last night about the proud boys should be a siren call for all who want to listen to the dangers.
I know there is no chance of getting through to the proper f**knuggets on here, so I'll ignore them, but vast majority will recognise him for what he is and condemn.
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Anything she/he perceives as criticism brings out her/his darker side.PeterWilton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:01 pmWell, yes, I'm grouping the media among the gullible rubes for uncritically reporting these fake scandals.
How am I wrong? Or are you not disputing that, but you're just upset I said it?
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how about trans, can I not be a trans, then I can have have one foot in either camp to to speakTaffy on the wing wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:23 pmAnything she/he perceives as criticism brings out her/his darker side.
ladies and gentlemen I give you the miniature Jack Russell, snapping at everyone's ankles and then talks about a dark side from other posters, but it is nice seeing you try to make friends here, I'm sure you'll make a lovely pair
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Trump said that the proud boys should stand by / stand down and it's NOT the proud boys who are burning cities to the ground but the lefty lunatics who are the REAL threat to democracy.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:21 pmLast word from me before I disappear again but I take it that everyone wants to live in a democracy.
To do that, you have to spot the dangers before its too late to stop them without having to resort to violence.
Trump (to me) is a massive warning sign of what is to come, and his words last night about the proud boys should be a siren call for all who want to listen to the dangers.
I know there is no chance of getting through to the proper f**knuggets on here, so I'll ignore them, but vast majority will recognise him for what he is and condemn.
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KateR wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:31 pmhow about trans, can I not be a trans, then I can have have one foot in either camp to to speak
ladies and gentlemen I give you the miniature Jack Russell, snapping at everyone's ankles and then talks about a dark side from other posters, but it is nice seeing you try to make friends here, I'm sure you'll make a lovely pair
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Like I say, no chance of getting through to the utter f**knuggets on here.
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KateR makes a very good point there and it is one of the reasons why Biden is perceived to be a not very good debater. Rather than just lying which he did he should have said that Trump reaped the rewards of all the good work that Obama and the Democrats put in, in the preceding years, which carried on into Trumps administration.KateR wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:46 pmlet me give you just one for now assuming you watched the whole thing and listened to what was actually said, by that I mean what was actually said around a question when it was asked because so many here taking snippets of answers to justify there stance.
Biden,
Manufacturing went in to the hole before C-19, this is a lie that has been proven time and time again, manufacturing jobs has continued to increase under Trump since he took over up to C-19.
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Do you know what a "recession" is?
You provided irrelevant jobs data. The number of jobs in a sector increasing does not necessarily mean that output is increasing. As proven by the fact that US manufacturing has been in recession since last year, and output has been in decline since the beginning of last year. Or would you like to tell the Federal Reserve that they are wrong?
So, Biden was correct.
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Ok lefty, Off ya pop then.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:45 pmLike I say, no chance of getting through to the utter f**knuggets on here.
Hope your pink pussy hat doesn't get blown off by the galactic winds.
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But... Biden was literally correct. Manufacturing was literally in recession before Covid.Corky wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:48 pmKateR makes a very good point there and it is one of the reasons why Biden is perceived to be a not very good debater. Rather than just lying which he did he should have said that Trump reaped the rewards of all the good work that Obama and the Democrats put in, in the preceding years, which carried on into Trumps administration.
How can someone be lying if what they said was true? I don't understand. Please explain how being correct can be lying.
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really really good effort there with that defection, you could probably get a job on Trumps team advising him the way you're going, it was fact checked and proven to be a lie from Biden, anything you have to say in this matter just revolves around in your head. Try reading all the other facts I gave you as well regarding poverty reduction, crime reduction, these are not my ramblings these are from fact checkers.PeterWilton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:49 pmDo you know what a "recession" is?
You provided irrelevant jobs data. The number of jobs in a sector increasing does not necessarily mean that output is increasing. As proven by the fact that US manufacturing has been in recession since last year, and output has been in decline since the beginning of last year. Or would you like to tell the Federal Reserve that they are wrong?
So, Biden was correct.
Ohhh yes, sorry, silly me of course you don't read my posts do you, as you evidenced early, your egregious behavior and failure to comprehend what a debate is and that people might have different opinions, means I wont be responding to you except when I see you make the same mistakes and outright lies in any thread. (although I'm 90% certain you wont read that bit, but hey ho, no problem).
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Re: The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate
Sorry!
One last thing
"European forest cities" by the hero of the right
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1311129668972675072
Completely off his rocker, but hey, he loves white people!
One last thing
"European forest cities" by the hero of the right
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1311129668972675072
Completely off his rocker, but hey, he loves white people!