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Some real heads gone on here with people suggesting Barkley isnt good enough for Burnley.
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Steve, a sub. We can't afford a midfielder who doesn't produce regularly.
Loads of talent but a catalyst for coaching redundancy packages.
Loads of talent but a catalyst for coaching redundancy packages.
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Ok mate...one more Stephen's or Barkley?JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:39 pmSteve, a sub. We can't afford a midfielder who doesn't produce regularly.
Loads of talent but a catalyst for coaching redundancy packages.
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Has anyone actually said that ?Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:36 pmSome real heads gone on here with people suggesting Barkley isnt good enough for Burnley.
Big difference between whether he is good enough (clearly on his day he is) and whether he is worth it given his wages, his injury record, his attitude (i know - Joey Barton etc !!) and whether he would fit into our culture, style of play etc.
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Steve, I'm sure you know everything about football.
There is no link for me to comment about Stephens and Barkley.
My comment is that Villa are paying a fortune for a show pony. He's that good that in 2.5 years with Cheslea he's made 50 appearances. He's 26 and been around for years but he doesn't seem to be a regular for teams despite all his talent. He unquestionably has talent. Ability-wise, he is better than all our midfielders. What I am saying is that we cannot afford a passenger who is not on their game. I wouldn't want him as a starter as things stand. I would love him off the bench but he is nowhere near worth the investment for us.
Does that help explain it?
For further information, I was right about Wilshere. Massively over-hyped with all his supposed ability. Barkley is the same, for me.
Edit: "Ability" not "anbility".
There is no link for me to comment about Stephens and Barkley.
My comment is that Villa are paying a fortune for a show pony. He's that good that in 2.5 years with Cheslea he's made 50 appearances. He's 26 and been around for years but he doesn't seem to be a regular for teams despite all his talent. He unquestionably has talent. Ability-wise, he is better than all our midfielders. What I am saying is that we cannot afford a passenger who is not on their game. I wouldn't want him as a starter as things stand. I would love him off the bench but he is nowhere near worth the investment for us.
Does that help explain it?
For further information, I was right about Wilshere. Massively over-hyped with all his supposed ability. Barkley is the same, for me.
Edit: "Ability" not "anbility".
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I know nothing! I just say what ever pops into my head!....mostly shite as you all knowJimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:56 pmSteve, I'm sure you know everything about football.
There is no link for me to comment about Stephens and Barkley.
My comment is that Villa are paying a fortune for a show pony. He's that good that in 2.5 years with Cheslea he's made 50 appearances. He's 26 and been around for years but he doesn't seem to be a regular for teams despite all his talent. He unquestionably has talent. Ability-wise, he is better than all our midfielders. What I am saying is that we cannot afford a passenger who is not on their game. I wouldn't want him as a starter as things stand. I would love him off the bench but he is nowhere near worth the investment for us.
Does that help explain it?
For further information, I was right about Wilshere. Massively over-hyped with all his supposed ability. Barkley is the same, for me.
Edit: "Ability" not "anbility".
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When you say he hasn't been a regular for teams is untrue, he's only ever played really for 2 sides everton & chelsea & he was a regular at everton when fit, apart from that he's been out on loan at SWFC & leeds, his form at everton led to the big money chelsea move.JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:56 pmSteve, I'm sure you know everything about football.
There is no link for me to comment about Stephens and Barkley.
My comment is that Villa are paying a fortune for a show pony. He's that good that in 2.5 years with Cheslea he's made 50 appearances. He's 26 and been around for years but he doesn't seem to be a regular for teams despite all his talent. He unquestionably has talent. Ability-wise, he is better than all our midfielders. What I am saying is that we cannot afford a passenger who is not on their game. I wouldn't want him as a starter as things stand. I would love him off the bench but he is nowhere near worth the investment for us.
Does that help explain it?
For further information, I was right about Wilshere. Massively over-hyped with all his supposed ability. Barkley is the same, for me.
Edit: "Ability" not "anbility".
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He played 31 games last season and 48 the season before
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Anyway I would love Barkley in our midfield,which a few on here dont agree with which frankly is bizarre
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Always liked Barkley. If he can be bothered. When he's on it, he's excellent. When he's not, well; not so. Bit of a confidence player for me. Would I have in our Clarets shirt? Yep!
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No he didn't, he's made that many appearances but not full games.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:11 pmHe played 31 games last season and 48 the season before
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Anyone that thinks Ross Barkley wouldn’t walk into our first eleven needs their head seeing to.
Almost as good as the time when Gary Neville supposedly wasn’t good enough for us.
Almost as good as the time when Gary Neville supposedly wasn’t good enough for us.
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Kante, Mount, Loftus Cheek, Kovacic, Jorghino, Fabregas (the best ever midfielder in the prem for me)
Hazard and Willian sometimes used as the attacking midfielder.
The players Barkley was fighting with to get in the side.
Left a big hole at Everton who struggled to replace him, but may have done this year?
We couldn't handle the upper body strength of his and Loftus Cheek on the Turf when they played. Cork and Westy just bounced off them.
Hazard and Willian sometimes used as the attacking midfielder.
The players Barkley was fighting with to get in the side.
Left a big hole at Everton who struggled to replace him, but may have done this year?
We couldn't handle the upper body strength of his and Loftus Cheek on the Turf when they played. Cork and Westy just bounced off them.
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Oh and I forgot Danny Drinkwater
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I'd have him in a heartbeat
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Going to get some popcorn and have a read of this thread,I should imagine a few on here have made dicks of themselves
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The more worrying thing is that it’s evident that the pillocks in our boardroom evidently think the same.
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No doubt there will be those wanting him in the England squad next!
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A lot of Burnley fans dont rate Barkley..MOM and just hit the champions for six...."naw I wouldn't have him in our team" is the reply of many on here
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When you parody them to point out how stupid and rediculous they are you are called a troll. Think a fair few on here need to get a grip and stop treating Burnley fc like a obsessive teenage relationship
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Who was the last loanee that was a success? Cahill? Dyche doesn’t do loan players.
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Mee and Trippier...Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:19 pmWho was the last loanee that was a success? Cahill? Dyche doesn’t do loan players.
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Keane, although to be fair it took a while to get him in.
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Last minute winner for him tonight with a peach from outside the box.
2 in 2 for the lad now.
2 in 2 for the lad now.
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And Villa look a far better side than last season.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:02 pmLast minute winner for him tonight with a peach from outside the box.
2 in 2 for the lad now.
Some great signings, and IMO are already safe.
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Oh how we mock teams throwing money at signings....
Whilst I wouldn't say Villa are safe already, they have a third of the likely points needed to stay up after 4 games.
Whilst I wouldn't say Villa are safe already, they have a third of the likely points needed to stay up after 4 games.
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Always find threads like this fascinating.
Some posters seem totally unaware of the levels of player. Barkley is another level to anything we have......a bit like Defour was another level completely. It is the reason why they play retailer international football and tend to be courted by the bigger clubs.
I see Lallana was pulling the strings for Brighton yesterday, another one that apparently wasn’t good enough for us.
Using Jack Wileshire as an example of being right about a player is also a little disingenuous. He’s been truly ravaged by injury but talent wise, again he’s another level.
Some posters seem totally unaware of the levels of player. Barkley is another level to anything we have......a bit like Defour was another level completely. It is the reason why they play retailer international football and tend to be courted by the bigger clubs.
I see Lallana was pulling the strings for Brighton yesterday, another one that apparently wasn’t good enough for us.
Using Jack Wileshire as an example of being right about a player is also a little disingenuous. He’s been truly ravaged by injury but talent wise, again he’s another level.
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I've said it before and sorry for repeating myself, but this is the type of player we're missing and have been missing for quite a while. Would he have come if we'd got in early enough? Well, he's from the North West and i'd imagine desperate for some action. A loan signing to boot. To my way of thinking an opportunity missed.
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https://theathletic.com/2484274/2021/03 ... ed-article
Interesting and informative article from The Athletic about Barkley
Highlighting how he had a good start to the season, but he's faded away the 2nd half of the season after his injury and showing how he's not as effective without Grealish next to him etc.
Doesn't press the opposition effectively when they've got the ball amongst other things.
They don't believe Villa, or anyone else, will pay the rumoured £30-35 million Chelsea will want for him, nor has he justified the £120k a week he's on.
Chelsea will need to either lower their asking price or send him out on loan again next season, but he's still got 2.5yrs left on his contract.
Interesting and informative article from The Athletic about Barkley
Highlighting how he had a good start to the season, but he's faded away the 2nd half of the season after his injury and showing how he's not as effective without Grealish next to him etc.
Doesn't press the opposition effectively when they've got the ball amongst other things.
They don't believe Villa, or anyone else, will pay the rumoured £30-35 million Chelsea will want for him, nor has he justified the £120k a week he's on.
Chelsea will need to either lower their asking price or send him out on loan again next season, but he's still got 2.5yrs left on his contract.
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I like Ross Barkley. There is a player in there. Don't know his temperament but I could see him as a replacement for Westy or Cork. I do agree that they'd do well to shift him at £30-35 million and at his wages. My issue with him is as mentioned. He's hit and miss.
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ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:36 amI've said it before and sorry for repeating myself, but this is the type of player we're missing and have been missing for quite a while. Would he have come if we'd got in early enough? Well, he's from the North West and i'd imagine desperate for some action. A loan signing to boot. To my way of thinking an opportunity missed.
I read that Villa paid Chelsea £11m just to take him on loan. I dont think any opportunities were missed if that figure is correct!
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Villa are paying his wages in full, so that £11 million may be the wages plus a fee.
We did something similar when we had Nugent, we paid a fee which also happened to be the amount needed to cover the % of wages we weren't covering I think.
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I mean he was excellent before his hamstring went, Villa aren't the same side at all without Barkley and Grealish. Not that any of this is really relevant, he's still head and shoulders above anything we have and anyone who argues otherwise is incredibly stupid.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:39 pmhttps://theathletic.com/2484274/2021/03 ... ed-article
Interesting and informative article from The Athletic about Barkley
Highlighting how he had a good start to the season, but he's faded away the 2nd half of the season after his injury and showing how he's not as effective without Grealish next to him etc.
Doesn't press the opposition effectively when they've got the ball amongst other things.
They don't believe Villa, or anyone else, will pay the rumoured £30-35 million Chelsea will want for him, nor has he justified the £120k a week he's on.
Chelsea will need to either lower their asking price or send him out on loan again next season, but he's still got 2.5yrs left on his contract.
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Here we go...KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:29 pmI mean he was excellent before his hamstring went, Villa aren't the same side at all without Barkley and Grealish. Not that any of this is really relevant, he's still head and shoulders above anything we have and anyone who argues otherwise is incredibly stupid.
Is he far more talented than anyone we've got?
Yes, it's not in doubt, never has been.
Does he have the mental focus to be an elite player?
That's the bit that's always been in doubt, but you seem to equate this part as a sleight on his ability and assume we are saying he isn't good enough for us talent wise.
For example, Defour had the ability and the mental focus, just his body was the problem, hence why he was here in the first place.
Same with Wilshere, he has ability and focus, but his body isn't up to it and that's why he's in the championship.
Rodwell is another like Barkley, ability, but can't seem to get it together enough to become a top player.
If Barkley had the mental focus he'd be at Chelsea as a first team regular, but he's at Villa and doing what most predicted he'd do, fading away after a good start.
I can only assume you don't have access to The Athletic.
If not, then I recommend it because it's highly informative, especially articles like this.
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I don't think anyone's questioning Barkley's ability. It's his application and commitment. That could be for many reasons. I'd hazard a guess at it being he is the type of player who needs an arm around the shoulder. Which Dyche is good at.KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:29 pmI mean he was excellent before his hamstring went, Villa aren't the same side at all without Barkley and Grealish. Not that any of this is really relevant, he's still head and shoulders above anything we have and anyone who argues otherwise is incredibly stupid.
When Barkley is on form he is England class. Starting XI without a doubt. When he's not, well he's not even bench class.
The issue is finding out what gets the best out of him.
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I'm just trying to think of a player who has had a good full season.
Been lots of injuries.
Been lots of injuries.
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You'd be hard pushed but I genuinely think Barkley is one of those players who likes to be loved. Grealish kind of stole that from him. I know it sounds silly but that's my opinion on him.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:33 pmI'm just trying to think of a player who has had a good full season.
Been lots of injuries.
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Barkley is a very dangerous player from just outside the box. In the belief that I think he’s on loan , he’s had a very good first half of the season considering Villa aren’t his club.
Strikes me that his ego gets the better of him
Strikes me that his ego gets the better of him
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He doesn't need to be an elite player to be good enough for Burnley which was my point.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:56 pm
Does he have the mental focus to be an elite player?
If Barkley had the mental focus he'd be at Chelsea as a first team regular, but he's at Villa and doing what most predicted he'd do, fading away after a good start.
Villa as a team are fading away after a great start and a big reason for that is the injuries to Grealish and Barkley.
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As I said. I think he likes to be liked. I don't think he is egotistical like Grealish but likes to be a focal point of attention. There is a difference. I think Barkley at Burnley could work if it could be agreed. I don't think Burnley fans would take to Grealish no matter what world we live in. We like grafters and honest lads who puts in the effort.
That's not a bad thing. Fancy dan prima donna's are never going to cut the mustard here and never have.
There'd have to be some movement on fees and wages but I think he'd be an ideal replacement for our ageing midfield.
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If I am reading this correctly you're suggesting we'd get more out of him than Villa do? Which is probably true.
I am hoping you're not suggesting or implying we're not good enough for elite players?!
If so who is good enough for elite players?
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Barkley’s a fantastic player. Not good enough for teams challenging to win league titles but good enough to be playing a teams above Aston Villa/Burnley. Everton/Spurs/Arsenal is his natural level.
That’s just how it is, not consistent enough to be more than that. It’s not down to mentality or anything else. He just isn’t quite good enough. Bit like Scott Parker, Dele Alli, Arron Ramsey sort of players, great players, just not quite at the top.
That’s just how it is, not consistent enough to be more than that. It’s not down to mentality or anything else. He just isn’t quite good enough. Bit like Scott Parker, Dele Alli, Arron Ramsey sort of players, great players, just not quite at the top.
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I agree with some of that but respectfully. If you can turn it on for part of a season against some of the worlds best players and then can't. Consistency and mental attitude do play a part. I've seen Barkley when on form against internationals of repute. He can do it. Over a sustained period he can't. That suggests he has more in the locker but has a mental block, whatever that is.Dyched wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pmBarkley’s a fantastic player. Not good enough for teams challenging to win league titles but good enough to be playing a teams above Aston Villa/Burnley. Everton/Spurs/Arsenal is his natural level.
That’s just how it is, not consistent enough to be more than that. It’s not down to mentality or anything else. He just isn’t quite good enough. Bit like Scott Parker, Dele Alli, Arron Ramsey sort of players, great players, just not quite at the top.
Look. I am not suggesting he is Xavi but there is a player there that could be more consistent and I do believe that is because of what is mentioned above.
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The injury to Grealish was the problem, not Barkley.
Grealish is the one who drives them forward and the players around him respond to him alone and perform better and at a higher level, exactly the same way Defour's presence raised the levels of the players here.
Barkley doesn't have that same effect and that's why he's not doing much at Villa, in fact he's mainly on the bench now isn't he?
Your point all along is trying to prove that some of us have said he isn't good enough for Burnley ability wise.
The reality is, he is good enough ability wise, but as proven at villa, he's only good for half a season, which isn't good enough for us in our position.
There is a clear and distinct difference to what we are saying and what you're perceiving us saying.
The problem is your end, not mine.
For Barkley to be at Chelsea he most definitely needs to be an elite player, but he isn't and that's why they're repeatedly buying other players for his role and why no one is rushing to buy him.
He's good enough for an upper midtable team, where they can afford to carry him in the squad like when he was at Everton, or any other lower team in the league, we don't have that luxury of being able to carry him for half a season while he faffs about.
Chelsea were hoping that a season long loan would help him make the step up to the level they need with regular football, but it isn't working so he will go out again next season on loan or get sold.
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I'd take Scott Parker or Aaron Ramsey any day of the week over Barkley.Dyched wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pmBarkley’s a fantastic player. Not good enough for teams challenging to win league titles but good enough to be playing a teams above Aston Villa/Burnley. Everton/Spurs/Arsenal is his natural level.
That’s just how it is, not consistent enough to be more than that. It’s not down to mentality or anything else. He just isn’t quite good enough. Bit like Scott Parker, Dele Alli, Arron Ramsey sort of players, great players, just not quite at the top.
You know you're getting players who're fully committed over the duration of a season.
I can't begin to work out what's happened to Dele though at Spurs, I don't know if it's down to Jose, Dele or a bit of both.
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You're literally twisting it to suit some weird old argument about him not being good enough for us, the fact is he started on fire for them, got injured and has struggled to recapture his form/fitness. He was out injured for 2 months, of course he's not gonna instantly comeback on fire.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:50 pmThe injury to Grealish was the problem, not Barkley.
Grealish is the one who drives them forward and the players around him respond to him alone and perform better and at a higher level, exactly the same way Defour's presence raised the levels of the players here.
Barkley doesn't have that same effect and that's why he's not doing much at Villa, in fact he's mainly on the bench now isn't he?
Your point all along is trying to prove that some of us have said he isn't good enough for Burnley ability wise.
The reality is, he is good enough ability wise, but as proven at villa, he's only good for half a season, which isn't good enough for us in our position.
There is a clear and distinct difference to what we are saying and what you're perceiving us saying.
The problem is your end, not mine.
As for why he's not playing for Chelsea, he's not Chelsea level consistently enough but that is completely irrelevant to him being good enough for Villa/Burnley.
Dean Smith has literally said Barkley has been in and out recently due to fitness, he also said this about his attitude and mentality
''In terms of what I've found of his character, he's as professional as I've come across with his work on the training ground and in the gym.
“He's probably one of the last to leave each day when he's here and he's got a drive to get better all of the time, which is really pleasing.”
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I've clearly explained where the issue lies in this debate and you still can't accept it.
I wouldn't bother anymore, you're not going to understand what's being said, because you refuse to accept that he isn't capable of maintaining good form for more than half a season and he certainly isn't good enough to replace someone like Grealish.
I wouldn't bother anymore, you're not going to understand what's being said, because you refuse to accept that he isn't capable of maintaining good form for more than half a season and he certainly isn't good enough to replace someone like Grealish.