Tonight's Lineup

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:50 pm
Played ok. You can see the difference in confidence in the team. Though that goal should have been dealt with earlier.

I think improving the defence, improves the midfield, as the midfielders will have so much more confidence in what's behind them. It's the same with defenders and keepers. A crap keeper, and the defence won't be as comfortable.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:47 pm
What did he say? Got disturbed? Heard commentator apologising

I think it was "He's not even looking at the effing ball ref. Are you even watching the Effing game ref", but it was incredibly clear

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm

Just watching a bit of Dad's Army on Gold.. brilliant.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:48 pm
Man City are, in my opinion, the biggest cheats in the EPL. Every tackle involves the use of the arm.

I agree! Every time an opponent looks like breaking away there's a blatant foul to stop momentum.
They almost never get booked either

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm

Stuck at work with no stream.
The comment that Dwight didn't see the run and cover suggests he's playing on the right, rather than the left, in order to accommodate Pieters.
Is that the case, or just coincidence?

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:50 pm
Sterling has Sensible Soccer legs when he runs

Sterling is a Fanny

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm
I think it was "He's not even looking at the effing ball ref. Are you even watching the Effing game ref", but it was incredibly clear

Love it

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:54 pm

I know Dwight isn't primarily a defender, but don't City just know it. Lowts is in trouble every time they come down his wing and an alert McNeil (plus a previous, braver version of Tarks who would go to the ball) could have prevented their goal fairly easily imo.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:54 pm

I think it's quite possible both penalties would have been given with VAR as there appeared to be contact in both cases. They would have been really soft, but the top teams get them week in week out.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:55 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm
Stuck at work with no stream.
The comment that Dwight didn't see the run and cover suggests he's playing on the right, rather than the left, in order to accommodate Pieters.
Is that the case, or just coincidence?

You are correct.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:50 pm
few points:

Sterling has Sensible Soccer legs when he runs

And the best pout in world football....

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm
I agree! Every time an opponent looks like breaking away there's a blatant foul to stop momentum.
They almost never get booked either

Fernandinho has turned the cynical little foul into an art form. He hardly ever gets booked for it either.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:56 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm
I think improving the defence, improves the midfield, as the midfielders will have so much more confidence in what's behind them. It's the same with defenders and keepers. A crap keeper, and the defence won't be as comfortable.

Nothing wrong wit BPF I think the confidence in having Tarkwski there has shone through. Don't get this panicky punt forward though. They're playing a high line at times. Get the ball down. I am certain it's psychological. This is winnable. Sidenote: Far better than the last game.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Not bad considering, City don't look like a struggling side, but we're still in the game, mind you if we're to equalise it'll have to be from open play, because this ref is never giving us a pen in a million years.

Plus points.

Barnes and Tarks returning to the fold, this should improve us at both ends of the pitch.

BPF looks up to the task when required.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:58 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm
Stuck at work with no stream.
The comment that Dwight didn't see the run and cover suggests he's playing on the right, rather than the left, in order to accommodate Pieters.
Is that the case, or just coincidence?

Correct. Just watched it back. To level any criticism at Dwight there is very harsh. He was back defending and the through ball was inch perfect, as was the ball in. Talks had stood off Sterling.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:58 pm

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:56 pm
Nothing wrong wit BPF I think the confidence in having Tarkwski there has shone through. Don't get this panicky punt forward though. They're playing a high line at times. Get the ball down. I am certain it's psychological. This is winnable. Sidenote: Far better than the last game.

I wasn't referring to BPF, just continuing my point regarding midfield and Tarky coming in, in that it happens with defenders too.

I think JT coming in will automatically help the midfield.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:59 pm

Considering we’re missing multiple 1st team players from JBG Jay Rod Mee etc etc and have our reserve left back on the wing we’re not doing too bad in what is a pretty powerful citeh lineup

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:00 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:57 pm
Not bad considering, City don't look like a struggling side, but we're still in the game, mind you if we're to equalise it'll have to be from open play, because this ref is never giving us a pen in a million years.

Plus points.

Barnes and Tarks returning to the fold, this should improve us at both ends of the pitch.

BPF looks up to the task when required.

BPF looks a fine goalkeeper.

Man City players are the only ones I'd like to be able to punch on the hooter... oh, and West Ham...
Actually I could add a few

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:00 pm

We’re really bad defensively at the moment. I don’t think this schedule is helping us. Bit like Europa league.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:48 pm
Man City are, in my opinion, the biggest cheats in the EPL. Every tackle involves the use of the arm.

They are the tactical foul experts. Fernandinho pulled Westwood's shirt when we won the ball at the half way line. Deliberate foul under the refs nose and no yellow given. Could have resulted in a good chance.

But we have bought fouls well. Happy to see us being street wise. The ref for the most part has been completely biased but that's what you expect.

First half replay of Sterling's chance shows Tarkowski got a small touch on the cross which probably meant he put it wide.

Barnes looks rusty as you'd expect. Vydra playing decently. No one is having a bad game for us.

All replays half time on ESPN+ are theirs. Two penalty appeals and no replays of them. Expect nothing less

Their tactics have been pretty good, targeting our right hand side and that's where the goal came from. McNeil naive in defence.

Wood on Vydra off.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:02 pm

Wood coming on.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:02 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:01 pm
Their tactics have been pretty good, targeting our right hand side and that's where the goal came from. McNeil naive in defence.

Could swap Brownhill for McNeil and let McNeil play in the centre?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:02 pm
Could swap Brownhill for McNeil and let McNeil play in the centre?

McNeil isn’t the right type of player to play in the centre in a 442.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:02 pm
Could swap Brownhill for McNeil and let McNeil play in the centre?

Good shout. He's looked good when cutting inside but we're nowhere near him getting crosses in from the byline since we're pushed back all the time.

Laporte down in pain. Wood won the ball fairly. No sympathy.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:04 pm

Bit of a surprising early change for Burnley. I hope that doesn't mean Vyds is now injured.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 pm

Could just play a right sided player on the right??

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 pm

too easy

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 pm

Hmmmmmmmmm

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Queuing up....

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Lost the ball in central midfield.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Tarks ball watching there

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

That was terrible.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Long way back now.....

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

That was way too easy!

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Why did Taylor run to the goal line instead of staying with Stirling’s run?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

keep conceding the same type of goals, in behind, ball across - far too easy regardless of the opposition

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:09 pm

Right!
We've lulled them. They think they've won.
Nows the time to unleash our football and stuff the buggers.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:10 pm

As soon as they broke you could see we had problems.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:10 pm

Another hand in the face. Football can be very annoying.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:10 pm

McNeil looks devoid of confidence on the ball

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm
keep conceding the same type of goals, in behind, ball across - far too easy regardless of the opposition

Don't think it's a defence issue. We gave the ball away in midfield. We can't keep the ball.

You expect it versus Manchester City but keeping the ball was really bad vs Southampton and bad in general.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm

Safron wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm
Tarks ball watching there

Yep

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm

As soon as they broke you could see we had problems.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm

That second goal was really poor for us, crowded out in the middle of the pitch and dispossessed cheaply.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:12 pm

What odds on them getting five for a change?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:12 pm

Brownhill is chasing shadows.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:13 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm
Don't think it's a defence issue. We gave the ball away in midfield. We can't keep the ball.

You expect it versus Manchester City but keeping the ball was really bad vs Southampton and bad in general.

agree but as Dyche often says, the lines , distances and spaces have to be right and so far they haven't been - we so miss Ben Mee and his organizing

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:13 pm

Westy at fault there, you can't afford to gift City possession in the midfield, but to gift KDB the ball is asking for trouble.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:14 pm

Just wish we could play football when we have possession,we are so poor with the ball regardless of opposition

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:13 pm
agree but as Dyche often says, the lines , distances and spaces have to be right and so far they haven't been - we so miss Ben Mee and his organizing

We certainly do. Part of it is also developing a partnership. Long and a Tarks both used to playing on the right side. When Mee is back we'll be better

Barnes wins another free kick but we can't make anything from it.