Match thread v Magpies

[diamondpocket]

It's very difficult to see any positive signs off the back of this...there is clearly blame across the board. No investment, no recruitment in the right areas, shocking tactics on the field (at times). Luckily, we are only 3 games in, and now have a 2 week break...heads need banging together. For professional people to let this happen on their watch, is quite shocking.

agree with all of this Rob. It can only happen because money is clearly the only thought at the moment and with COVID uncertainty the powers that be are clearly shitting themselves and won't spend a dime. And hoping an apathetic manager can produce more miracles!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm not talking about debt for it's own sake. Take debt on as a business in order to invest is completely normal, and transfer dealings has been responsible for turning our biggest profits. In 2018/2019 we recorded a 4.3 million profit, and in the previous season due to Keane and Gray moving on we made £35+ million. Spending money isn't the same as investing money. The same goes for our premier league status. We have a much better chance of staying up if Sean Dyche has better players at his disposal, that much should be obvious. We invest in the squad to generate asset value and stay in a league that gives us infinitely more revenue than the one below it.

In terms of covid, yes it's not great for business. But are we the only ones affected? No, it's relative. And relatively speaking compared to other clubs who have players in our target range transfer-wise, we should be in better shape. The championship, ligue 1 clubs etc, with the solid financial footing we have I think now isn't that bad a time to invest at all.

We have had half a dozen first team players out injured.

We are the ONLY club in the PL without owners with very deep pockets.

Covid has used up our cash in the bank and will use more of it through TV money refunds etc.

We all know we need better players, but it's an odd year for football.

[tiger76]

The big worry is we got back into the game thanks to Westy, and then we imploded in the last half hour, that's 4 PL defeats on the spin now, and after our trip to West Brom, we face the prospect of Spurs and Chelsea visiting the turf, yes it's incredibly early in the season, but we could in the worst case scenario be looking at 7 straight PL losses, and being pointless after 6 games of the current campaign.

The good news is the international break gives us some breathing space, and hopefully we can add to the squad, and also get some more injured players back in action, the problem is it's easy to get into a rut and losing habit, it's a damn sight harder to pull yourselves out of that slump.

Despite the problems we face some of the comments on here are OTT, even if Dyche and Garlick both called it a day, there is no magic wand that will cure all our ills, and we'll likely still have the same squad, we need to keep our nerve and not press the panic button, we've shown previously that we're capable of fighting a rear-guard action when the chips are down, and it is only 3 games into the campaign,

[diamondpocket]

I'm not talking about debt for it's own sake. Take debt on as a business in order to invest is completely normal, and transfer dealings has been responsible for turning our biggest profits. In 2018/2019 we recorded a 4.3 million profit, and in the previous season due to Keane and Gray moving on we made £35+ million. Spending money isn't the same as investing money. The same goes for our premier league status. We have a much better chance of staying up if Sean Dyche has better players at his disposal, that much should be obvious. We invest in the squad to generate asset value and stay in a league that gives us infinitely more revenue than the one below it.

In terms of covid, yes it's not great for business. But are we the only ones affected? No, it's relative. And relatively speaking compared to other clubs who have players in our target range transfer-wise, we should be in better shape. The championship, ligue 1 clubs etc, with the solid financial footing we have I think now isn't that bad a time to invest at all.

Absolut-*******-lutely. Invest now and come out the other side with assets to sell to be able to re-invest again. What exactly is the point of making some profit, even small, and keeping some change in the pocket if we aren't gonna use it in times of necessity? Something somewhere has gone extremely wrong in the Rigg era!

[Burnleyareback2]

Young enough to be on the Orient match, which, under the UTC rules, allows me to say what the f$&@ I want.

Then I don’t see anyway to justify your comment

[diamondpocket]

On another day Barnes could have walked for his kick out at Manquillo...he was lucky he disguised it so well. Stupid considering he was already on a booking too.

I've been a big fan of Barnes. He has improved us and given us a physical aspect to the Prem which we have needed over the years. He's been emblematic of our fight, resilience and mentality but that has come when he's been playing for a while and had consistency in team selection. We have actually moved on our style of play since he's been out and started to play a bit more football. He didnt this evening, and doesnt yet, warrant a place. He should be brought back gradually as a sub to frighten opposition defenders and give him time to get his mojo back. His hunger is there, he has a good touch and bits of quality when he's on it but without time to work with him we resort to long ball and bully tactics and it doesn't work most of the time. It's the small details Dyche talks about and after 9 months out obviously he ain't gonna be at the pace or reading the game as well as he can.

[BurnleyFC]

Boggles

Garlick invests heavily in recruitment, Dyche finds himself pushed out of the recruitment loop. Rigg is allowed to build the recruitment team he wants and he is given two years to get up to speed - while Garlick and Dyche face all of the questions and take all of the flack for our recruitment failures.

Garlick and Dyche have got us to where we are, the worked well together and things have fallen apart in the last two years - with things getting more toxic.

Rigg destroyed QPR in six months with his recruitment. At Fulham he wasted millions on two complete squad overhauls and took them from a recently relegated from the EPL position to fighting to avoid the drop to League One. At both of those clubs the backroom turned toxic, the players were unhappy and discord was rampant amongst the staff.

Our recruitment has reached new levels of poor, plenty of quality players were available at cheap prices in this window and we were in for none of them.

How can the bloke tasked with over seeing our recruitment strategy and assembling our transfer target list not feature in the blame game ?

Garlick is at fault, Dyche is at fault, why is Rigg not at fault ?

I’ve got news for you - Garlick appointed Rigg.

Garlick out. Rigg out. And that useless pillock Hodge can go while we’re at it, too. Useless brown nosers.

[Somethingfishy]

Despite this..do you know what has p***ed me off the most? I had Rodriguez, Calvert Lewin and Wilson in my fantasy team and took them all out whilst using my wildcard. A sh*tshow of a day.

[Long Time Lurker]

Why employ an expensive guy to source players when there is no intention to buy any ?

Why elect a Prime Minister and pay him a lot of money while he fumbles around and ***** things up.

We were looking at Bogle a couple of years ago and he went to Sheffield for 3.5m. Lots of good players have moved for low sums of money in this window, but the rumour mill has linked us to Santamaria ( that was never going to happen ), Roca ( never going to happen ) and Wilson ( glad it didn't happen ).

We let Hendrick leave for nothing and playing on the right doesn't seem to be the issue. Neither did Dyche want shut.

Garlick wants players, Dyche wants players, the players want players, we want players, their is a clear intention to buy but our new recruitment department haven't sourced any that meet our playing and financial requirements.

If this was a rare hiccup in a career of great performances I would give our well paid Technical director the benefit of the doubt. but that isn't the case. He has failed every club that has hired him and now he is failing us.

If you pump lots of additional money into recruitment, hire lots of new people to effect change, give the new people a big say in how we go about our recruitment and our recruitment gets WORSE then surely the person that is heading up that department has to be called to account.

First window - it is to early to expect the new bloke to do anything.
Second window - it is a new challenge for the new bloke and he is finding it tough
Third window - a plan to do nothing and luckily Brownhill drops in our lap
Fourth window - not looking good at the moment

If the only thing that is showing an increase is the number of " excuses for poor performance" then a change has to be made. Garlick has credit in the bank, Dyche has credit in the bank, what credit has Rigg amassed in the two years he has been with us ?

[bf2k]

Nothing to do with Garlick tonight.

**** poor from Dyche

How do you come to that conclusion? Our best 11 available were on that pitch tonight. At times we played ok but we lack the quality that Newcastle has. How is that Dyche’s faulty?