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Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:42 pm

One dimensional
Predictable
Ponderous
Slow
Zero pace
Zero width
Zero creativity
No leadership

Too reliant on too many 30+ year olds.
Limited to playing a defender with 80 appearances in ten years when we shipped out a £15m+ centre half. How on earth two grown men couldn’t sort out whatever problem existed is beyond me, particularly with Mee out.

Our only signing being a 31 year old centre midfielder, who offers nothing our other 31 year old midfielders don’t.

Garlick needs to back Dyche. But I’m afraid the manager also needs to take responsibility for his one dimensional transfer policy and tactics.

Our age. Lack of investment. And reluctance to progress and sign anything other than British based players is going to undo all of our hard work.

Not good enough. And that’s from at least two games we would be hoping to get our points from.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:45 pm

And to add. The negativity surrounding the club has been a huge part too. Even when results looked ok post lockdown. The interviews from Dyche were **** poor. Who is going to want to join that environment. Whatever problems there were. Between board and manager. Manager and players. Needed sorting behind closed doors.

Our main strength has always been the one club mentality. When that goes we are truly fkked.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:46 pm

I’m afraid the duchess negativity has rubbed off on the team. We need leadership and inspiration.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by taio » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:47 pm

It's a really good point. Keep it in-house.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:47 pm

I’m afraid the duchess negativity has rubbed off on the team. We need leadership and inspiration.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:48 pm

Sean negativity not duchess!

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Re: Abysmal

Post by RVclaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:49 pm

I think this is the year we go down lads.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by taio » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:49 pm

I’m afraid the duchess negativity has rubbed off on the team. We need leadership and inspiration.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:52 pm

clansman wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:46 pm
I’m afraid the duchess negativity has rubbed off on the team. We need leadership and inspiration.
100%. The message he has been sending out has had a huge impact no doubt. Negativity breeds negativity.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by KefkaClaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm

Nullify our left hand side and we have zero chance of scoring from open play. We are so one dimensional in attack.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by brexit » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

100% managers responsibility. He picked the team and the tactics.

Stop blaming Garlick
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Re: Abysmal

Post by TsarBomba » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:49 pm
I think this is the year we go down lads.
I’m inclined to agree.

We’re a team of grafters, but at some point, there has to be more than that.

The prospect of grinding out another 38 games, without new signings, is demoralising for the players, for the fans, for everyone.

The next few days will tell us where we’re headed. A couple of new signings, even loans, will suggest we’re up for the fight.

If we do diddly squat, then we may as well wave the white flag.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

It's a damning indictment of Dyche that in our 5th season at this level our only game plan is pumping aimless balls into the box and hoping something drops for us.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm
Nullify our left hand side and we have zero chance of scoring from open play. We are so one dimensional in attack.
You could stick all four defenders on McNeil and we would still create nothing down the right.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by warksclaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

And we think someone wants to buy us

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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

The players faces coming off says it all.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:57 pm

9 games in the summer.
A very short break.
2 games a week
It's a hell of a lot to ask of what is an ageing squad.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

I’m sick of reading that we shipped out a £15m CH.
He made it more than obvious that he didn’t want to play for us again. Would you play a CH that doesn’t want to be here?
Move on.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by Stevie Morgan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:52 pm
100%. The message he has been sending out has had a huge impact no doubt. Negativity breeds negativity.
The tone is also set one rung above however. See takeover thread.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:59 pm

Whatever is going on between Dyche and Garlick needs to be sorted and fast.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

Absolutely anne frank

Too many players with 1 foot
Too much hoof ball
Average strikers with no service
And a bad game for keeper

Half of em looked nackerd and uninterested
Needs to bring in fresh meat asap

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

Id rather play Jay & Vydra when fit because it at least stops all this thumping the ball into the box and hoping we get the second balls. We look a different team, and I agree, Stephens is just like Cork and isn’t any better in that role
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Re: Abysmal

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

We're in turmoil and it's terminal.

One of Dyche or Garlick needs to go tomorrow. We can't continue like this.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

Hard to disagree with anything said to date on this thread. When did we become so scared of youth or anything “foreign” Our recruitment network seems so incredibly short sighted. We are the most “hard Brexit” of clubs. It’s utterly joyless.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

this is what happens when you have no investment, only one group of people are responsible for that. I very much doubt if given reasonable funds then we would sign the likes of Stephens.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by 1914tyrone » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

Can anyone explain our tactics tonight? Sean has to take the majority of the blame. Motivation and tactics are down to him. Boring and very one dimensional.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by Murger » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

The longer Dyche acts like a cryarse, and Garlick a tight-fisted cockhead, the more likely we are to be doomed.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by hoskinsgoalatswansea » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

When Dyche is upbeat and positive we seem to do well. He clearly isn’t now and it’s showing. I’m ****** off that the best manager we’ve had isn’t being supported, but we can’t change that and nor can he. If he’s so unhappy then maybe he should walk away because it seems like he’s now become part of the problem.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

Thank goodness we can't go and watch in person, imagine the reaction then.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm

Tarks is back but again Dwight was reluctant to take men on .
Our midfield didn't deliver except Ash and our lack of pace and accuracy of pass is a worry
Mattie Vydra and JBG should have been on at 1-1 a poor display with a score line against a poor side several players should be ashamed of
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Re: Abysmal

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm

You have to blame the manager for 6 utter dross transfer windows blowing money on shite
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Re: Abysmal

Post by vinrogue » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:03 pm

I always stay to the end of the game, I just do, even if we take a beating, but I thought of turning over on 78 minutes, I didn't but I did switch the TV off when the ref blew his final whistle.

We don't have the numbers to train properly or a hope......

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Re: Abysmal

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:03 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm
Tarks is back but again Dwight was reluctant to take men on .
Our midfield didn't deliver except Ash and pur lack of pace and accuracy of pass is a worry
Mattie Vydra and JBG should have been on ar 1-1 a poor display with a score line against a poor side several players should be ashamed of
But vydra not good enough - looks like he is playing in the wrong age group

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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:04 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm
I’m sick of reading that we shipped out a £15m CH.
He made it more than obvious that he didn’t want to play for us again. Would you play a CH that doesn’t want to be here?
Move on.
The opportunity to play at premier league is surely more appealing than a season in the championship with Norwich.

Nobody knows what went on. Nobody probably ever will.

But there was incentive for both player and manager to sort it out. Whatever ‘IT’ was.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by taio » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:05 pm

As suggested by the OP it has nothing to do with individual players. Never wash dirty laundry in public. Usually results in one outcome.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:05 pm

I don’t think Stephens is a bad player he’s just not the player we needed - another 30+ defensive workhorse. We desperately needed something different. Surely our scouting network extends beyond the same old targets (literally). It’s a little desperate.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:06 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm
You have to blame the manager for 6 utter dross transfer windows blowing money on shite
Well he can only spend what he's given.
My issue is the long term over-working of the same 12-14 players, SD's unwillingness to rotate the squad (even just a little bit) and rest out of form players.
It's biting us now. Oldest team with insufficient energy?

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Re: Abysmal

Post by vinrogue » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

Tarks never looks comfortable playing left side, square hole round peg.
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Re: Abysmal

Post by NewClaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm
Tarks is back but again Dwight was reluctant to take men on .
Our midfield didn't deliver except Ash and pur lack of pace and accuracy of pass is a worry
Mattie Vydra and JBG should have been on ar 1-1 a poor display with a score line against a poor side several players should be ashamed of
Dwight almost looked like he was playing centrally? Certainly Taylor was offering our only threat.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by burnleymik » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

To be fair to Vydra he doesn't fit into the hoofball tactics.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by LowtonClaret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

2 options. Give SD what he wants or accept we are going down.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm
this is what happens when you have no investment, only one group of people are responsible for that. I very much doubt if given reasonable funds then we would sign the likes of Stephens.

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While I am not for or against The board, I feel regardless of funds it’s exactly the sort of player we would have signed.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:05 pm
I don’t think Stephens is a bad player he’s just not the player we needed - another 30+ defensive workhorse. We desperately needed something different. Surely our scouting network extends beyond the same old targets (literally). It’s a little desperate.
But that's the type of player Dyche prefers

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

Not good enough but lets not get too down just yet

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:08 pm

1914tyrone wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm
Can anyone explain our tactics tonight? Sean has to take the majority of the blame. Motivation and tactics are down to him. Boring and very one dimensional.
regardless of tactics the manager can't be blamed if a guy earning 30-50K a week can't successfully complete a 10 yard pass

He can't sign quality because the board wont give him the funds to do so

up **** creek without a paddle springs to mind

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:10 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm
Thank goodness we can't go and watch in person, imagine the reaction then.
At least I’d be hammered :)

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Re: Abysmal

Post by Stevie2112 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:10 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:04 pm
The opportunity to play at premier league is surely more appealing than a season in the championship with Norwich.

Nobody knows what went on. Nobody probably ever will.

But there was incentive for both player and manager to sort it out. Whatever ‘IT’ was.
A spat between Woan and Gibson saw him banished from the group.Not only that but a bad injury to one of our players.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by JohnMac » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:11 pm

If Dyche walks he gets nothing. This is the world of football where under performing and getting the sack is rewarded with a huge pay off.

I don't think he has reached that point but he cant be impressing potential investors.

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Re: Abysmal

Post by mdd2 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:14 pm

Just hope we can muster more points than Derby. Was it 11 or 12?

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Re: Abysmal

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:16 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:11 pm
If Dyche walks he gets nothing. This is the world of football where under performing and getting the sack is rewarded with a huge pay off.

I don't think he has reached that point but he cant be impressing potential investors.
True. But also he should be looking at the bigger picture. That his reputation is still high. And he can at least explain any resignation in a lack of investment in progressing the club. So the bigger picture is he would still walk into a job on mega money at this level when the right one comes up. I’m thinking Crystal Palace or West Ham.

That said he will have less control and Probably less security. So depends on what his ambitions are from here.

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