Tom Heaton is an example of unlimited spending at Villa

[Spijed]

Now cast aside for another keeper.

We couldn't afford to do that and would make do with bringing through our reserve keeper.

[Steddyman]

I’d have him back on loan in an instant, even if he is injured.

[ClaretAndBlue94]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassef_Sawiris

One of the owners. Net worth of 7.5 Billion.

Not sure finances matter quite as much to Villa

[ClaretTony]

Now cast aside for another keeper.

We couldn't afford to do that and would make do with bringing through our reserve keeper.

How do you cast aside a player who remains out injured?

[jrgbfc]

Now cast aside for another keeper.

We couldn't afford to do that and would make do with bringing through our reserve keeper.

What about the season Heaton picked up a slight injury in pre season so we completely panicked and brought in Joe Hart? Who was probably on about 50 grand a week?

[fidelcastro]

Did we not cast Hart aside once Heaton came back?

[claretburns]

I love Tom Heaton and he probably is my favourite player of the Dyche era, but Villa are being sensible, at the end of this season Tom will be 35 and is still out at the moment with a knee injury, so nothing wrong with them in my opinion buying a new keeper, at a younger age and decent ability.

If Burnley were in the same position regardless of player quality or sentimental value I would demand that we signed a new keeper as a replacement to prepare for all eventualities.

[ClaretTony]

As for bringing through a reserve team goalkeeper - I wonder if spijed knows that the last goalkeeper we brought through the junior teams to the first team who went on to play with any regularity was Harry Thomson in the 1960s.

[Spijed]

How do you cast aside a player who remains out injured?

By signing Martinez Villa made it clear he is going to be their number one keeper even when Heaton becomes fully fit.

You don't sign another keeper for £17 million just to sit on the bench.

[ClaretTony]

By signing Martinez Villa made it clear he is going to be their number one keeper even when Heaton becomes fully fit.

You don't sign another keeper for £17 million just to sit on the bench.

And as a Premier League club with ambition, and with a 35-year-old goalkeeper potentially never going to be fully fit, and your second choice goalkeeper proven to be not good enough, what do you think they should have done?

[Chester Perry]

As for bringing through a reserve team goalkeeper - I wonder if spijed knows that the last goalkeeper we brought through the junior teams to the first team who went on to play with any regularity was Harry Thomson in the 1960s.

many of us still haven't recovered from this debut from a keeper brought through from the junior teams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6v-D-24BzI

[FactualFrank]

It removes any thinking from football.

My 11 year old nephew could stop the likes of Leeds and Aston Villa from going down.

[jojomk1]

And as a Premier League club with ambition, and with a 35-year-old goalkeeper potentially never going to be fully fit, and your second choice goalkeeper proven to be not good enough, what do you think they should have done?

Bought Matt Gilks

Sorry CT couldn't resist and we all need something to smile about on this exciting day

[joey13]

As for bringing through a reserve team goalkeeper - I wonder if spijed knows that the last goalkeeper we brought through the junior teams to the first team who went on to play with any regularity was Harry Thomson in the 1960s.

Does Gerry Peyton not count Tony ?

[aggi]

And as a Premier League club with ambition, and with a 35-year-old goalkeeper potentially never going to be fully fit, and your second choice goalkeeper proven to be not good enough, what do you think they should have done?

Joe Hart was available on a free.

[ClaretTony]

Does Gerry Peyton not count Tony ?

No, we signed him from another club. I know it was non-league but he didn't come through the system at Burnley. Good goalkeeper though.

[ClaretTony]

many of us still haven't recovered from this debut from a keeper brought through from the junior teams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6v-D-24BzI

One worse than that, Tony Woodworth v Hereford

[Chester Perry]

One worse than that, Tony Woodworth v Hereford

probably benefits from not featuring on Match of the day though

[Paulclaret]

Didn't we sign Gerry Peyton from Atherstone?

[claretblue]

And as a Premier League club with ambition

I hope you're not implying there are Premier League clubs without ambition!

[KRBFC]

Judging by your logic we cast aside Pope and Heaton for Hart even though they were both injured...

[ClaretTony]

Didn't we sign Gerry Peyton from Atherstone?

We did and another to come in from non-league was Peter Mellor from Witton Albion.

When we signed Peyton from Atherstone their manager was former England goalkeeper Gil Merrick who I believe was a friend of a Mr R W Lord.

[Jakubclaret]

Joe Hart was available on a free.

Aston Villa don’t have a Khaldoon Al Mubarak & a Lamborghini on standby.

[boatshed bill]

As for bringing through a reserve team goalkeeper - I wonder if spijed knows that the last goalkeeper we brought through the junior teams to the first team who went on to play with any regularity was Harry Thomson in the 1960s.

Crikey.

Have we developed any 'keepers through the system who have even been close?
Mawson perhaps?

[ClaretTony]

Crikey.

Have we developed any 'keepers through the system who have even been close?
Mawson perhaps?

We haven't - O'Rourke (14 league starts) was the only one since Harry really although Jeff Parton (3 league games), Micky Finn (4) and Tony Woodworth (1) all played.

I've seen some potentially good young keepers at U18 level but none have progressed anywhere near enough.

[boatshed bill]

We haven't - O'Rourke (14 league starts) was the only one since Harry really although Jeff Parton (3 league games), Micky Finn (4) and Tony Woodworth (1) all played.

I've seen some potentially good young keepers at U18 level but none have progressed anywhere near enough.

The recent interview with Billy Mercer is certainly an insight. you'd have to think we're going to see a home-grown keeper during his time as GK coach.
Though, of course, these (at least the U23 ones) are still brought in.

[joey13]

No, we signed him from another club. I know it was non-league but he didn't come through the system at Burnley. Good goalkeeper though.

Great boots

[CombatClaret]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassef_Sawiris
One of the owners. Net worth of 7.5 Billion.
Not sure finances matter quite as much to Villa

Eye opening that a non-top 6 team, a team in our 'mini-league' so to speak has an owner with 100 times the wealth of ours.

Wiki has Garlic valued at $80m, that's four decent quality Championship players and he's broke. It a huge sum for the man on the street but for a Premier League club it's almost like having no owner at all which is why we have to live season to season.

[NewClaret]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassef_Sawiris

One of the owners. Net worth of 7.5 Billion.

Not sure finances matter quite as much to Villa

Unbelievable. Knew they had a few quid. Had no idea it was THAT much!!

[Chester Perry]

Unbelievable. Knew they had a few quid. Had no idea it was THAT much!!

the other owner at Villa is a billionaire too though he is not as rich

https://www.forbes.com/profile/wesley-e ... 05ebc67532

[Fretters]

Villa's owner might be worth 7.5 billion, but he can't spend all that much due to FF....

Sorry, I couldn't even get to the end of that sentence.

[Stalbansclaret]

Villa's owner might be worth 7.5 billion, but he can't spend all that much due to FF....

Sorry, I couldn't even get to the end of that sentence.

Yes, supposedly, but how do teams like Villa and Everton have the ability to spend the multi-millions they do unless the presence of super-wealthy owners is in some way circumventing FFP ? Someone like Chester Perry will doubtless advise but I assume these individuals must be either injecting equity funds or perhaps guaranteeing loans the clubs are taking out ?

[Chester Perry]

Yes, supposedly, but how do teams like Villa and Everton have the ability to spend the multi-millions they do unless the presence of super-wealthy owners is in some way circumventing FFP ? Someone like Chester Perry will doubtless advise but I assume these individuals must be either injecting equity funds or perhaps guaranteeing loans the clubs are taking out ?

It is an interesting one, FFP on the whole isn't there to manage debt is is there to limit losses - currently Everton and Villa only fall under the scrutiny of the Premier Leagues jurisdiction for FFP - which is far more generous than it's UEFA equivalent, which they would likely fail if the qualified for UEFA competition next season. My understanding of the rules are far from clear on owner loans though

From what I do know it appears that rules around loans are vague and very difficult to comprehend when you look at the £1.5 billion that Chelsea owe Abramovich for instance - not that you will see that on the club's books - it was loaned to the club's holding company. The Villa owners have poured an awful lot of equity capital into the club over the short period of ownership - that is great from a debt perspective, but I understand only a very limited amount can be used for FFP purposes each year.

Of course this summer FFP at both the Premier League and UEFA was relaxed - audits are to take place next summer and consider the 2 seasons as a whole. There is a distinct possibility that FFP could be relaxed next summer also if the pandemic severely impacts the game throughout this season too