DAWSON AT £4M

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DAWSON AT £4M

Post by warksclaret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:57 am

Craig Dawson can leave at £4m .Appreciate he is 30, but never in a million years are we in the market to get a younger and better CH

Means we dont need to rush Ben back-he will need at least two full games with the U-23s. It means we can give Long a break and not start him v Spurs and Chelsea. When Ben is eventually match fit we can assess Bardsley and Dawsons performances to see what our best option is at RB. We need to get back to keeping clean sheets which is a key reason for our points tally last year.

If we cant find £4m for a manager thats brought in over £720m I despair-but we need to move quick

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by alwaysaclaret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:02 am

But garlick only wants to pay 4 quid !!
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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:05 am

Ssssshhhh.....David Moyes might find out

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:07 am

I'd go in at £150k and see what they say. That's what we paid for Mark Winstanley, if you need a benchmark.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am

3 million too much

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by williamjblazkowicz » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:15 am

We've been linked to him for that long that I honestly thought he was at least 33 by now.
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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by MACCA » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:21 am

He seems to have been around for ages, 30 isnt a bad age for how we defend, and the fee is reasonable.

Think he is a perfect 3rd choice CB defender for us, can cover RB in emergencies too with Lowton not yet fit.

Hopefully there's lefs in this, he makes us instantly better defensively than any CB partnership put out so far this season, and has the added bonus of being a threat in the opposition box too

Would like to see him brought in.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Murger » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:24 am

He's been linked with West Ham. Forget it.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:28 am

We are where we are and £4m for Dawson is a complete nil brainer. 3 year contract, £1.33m per year plus wages etc. Cover for CB, potentially our best starter at RB, can play in the Championship if we go down. Huge threat at the other end. Dyche likes him. Player should be keen - very high chance of him playing 20-30 games a season.

It's so obvious that we have to snap him up ASAP in our current grim predicament that it's pretty much guaranteed it won't happen. That seems to be the way things work at the club these days.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by dermotdermot » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:34 am

Hasn’t he been relegated two years on the trot? A bad omen. He might make it a hat trick.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Jenny55 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:36 am

Ah, the annual Craig Dawson Thread. Maybe this year we will secure his services, and 4 million isn’t a fortune for someone who has potentially 3 or 4 years football left in him. We have got a wasted 15 million tied up elsewhere remember?
Dawson would complement Tarkowski well if Ben Mee is still out or gets injured again. Should imagine his current wages are comparable to what we can offer. No brainer in my book.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Andreshotboots » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:37 am

If Dyche likes him, then Garlick will hate him the way this school yard game of tennis is going. No chance, but would fit our set up perfectly..

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:43 am

Remember Duff doing a decent job well into his 30’s, plenty of decent CHs do, if your positional awareness is good you can make up for the loss of pace.

There’s an odd opinion that 30 is old on here? Not sure what age bracket that opinion comes from

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by jtv » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:43 am

Didn't someone on this message board mention yesterday that he was offered to Dyche who said no?

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:49 am

Please don't encourage Dyche to bring any more over 30s into the retirement home we are currently running in.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by kenyon6923 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:15 am

we have given one player (Stephens) who turned us down once a 2 year pension plan so why not ? another has been Scottish widows policy please

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:17 am

I reckon some on here would turn their nose up at Messi because he's over 30!

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Redbeard » Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:49 am

If we're in for Messi, no wonder we can't afford anyone else... ;)

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:05 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:17 am
I reckon some on here would turn their nose up at Messi because he's over 30!
Having a few older players is no problem, but when most of your squad is over 30 it becomes an issue. Particularly if you end up in the Championsip.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by MACCA » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:09 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:05 am
Having a few older players is no problem, but when most of your squad is over 30 it becomes an issue. Particularly if you end up in the Championsip.
If is the biggest word in that paragraph.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by tiger76 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:14 am

Dawson wouldn't be a bad capture, he could certainly slot into central defence with Tarky until Ben returns, and as others have pointed out, he can also cover RB, if we're going to persist with a small squad versatility will be important, as it's inevitable we'll suffer injuries throughout the season due to the hectic schedule.

The downside is £4m is a sizable sum in our current finances, and that doesn't include his wages, he's yet another 30+ player, who'll have no sell-on value, and if everyone is fit how often will he be called upon, we do need a reserve centre back though, as Kev Long for all his desire is lacking at the very top level, and that can prove very costly against the top strikers in the PL.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by williamjblazkowicz » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:16 am

MACCA wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:09 am
If is the biggest word in that paragraph.
Actually, the biggest word was "Particularly".

Although "Championship" is also a 12-letter word but OP spelled it as "Championsip".
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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by DomBFC1882 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:20 am

Yes please

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by ZizkovClaret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:26 am

Surely its a no-brainer at that fee?

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by CleggHall » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:34 am

Les Dawson (no relation) is on Sky Arts this evening 10pm, playing the piano in a Paris brothel in the 1950s.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by joey13 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:44 am

Isn’t he 30 in donkey years 😮

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by the_fat_shearer » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:46 am

MACCA wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:21 am
He seems to have been around for ages, 30 isnt a bad age for how we defend, and the fee is reasonable.

Think he is a perfect 3rd choice CB defender for us, can cover RB in emergencies too with Lowton not yet fit.

Hopefully there's lefs in this, he makes us instantly better defensively than any CB partnership put out so far this season, and has the added bonus of being a threat in the opposition box too

Would like to see him brought in.
I'd agree with that.

We're massively short of Premier League quality in depth at centre-back and he would significantly improve our squad in that position as well as offering RB cover as mentioned.

I don't mind that he's 30. If you're good enough, you're young enough, particularly at that price and some players keep on going into their mid-30s.

You also have to consider the Tarky situation next summer. With one year left on his contract if we couldn't get him to sign a new one and we're forced to sell then we would have the cover at CB while we re-invest the money on a younger CB.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by MACCA » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:50 am

the_fat_shearer wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:46 am
I'd agree with that.

We're massively short of Premier League quality in depth at centre-back and he would significantly improve our squad in that position as well as offering RB cover as mentioned.

I don't mind that he's 30. If you're good enough, you're young enough, particularly at that price and some players keep on going into their mid-30s.

You also have to consider the Tarky situation next summer. With one year left on his contract if we couldn't get him to sign a new one and we're forced to sell then we would have the cover at CB while we re-invest the money on a younger CB.
Thank you, seems we are thinking along similar lines.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by NewClaret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:53 am

Can’t see this happening now West Ham are involved, sadly. Was my top pick :(

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am

Not convinced West Ham would have a bearing. He's Rochdale born and bred, a move back home may well suit him better than staying in the Smoke.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by kendaldave » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:00 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:53 am
Can’t see this happening now West Ham are involved, sadly. Was my top pick :(
West Ham also been linked with Swansea centre back Joe Rodon so don't give up yet.☺

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by dsr » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:28 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am
Not convinced West Ham would have a bearing. He's Rochdale born and bred, a move back home may well suit him better than staying in the Smoke.
On the other hand he presumably knows that if Tarkowski and Mee are both fit he will be sitting on the bench all year. Might he get a place in West Ham;s team?

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by aggi » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:37 pm

He'd be an OK signing. It would be continuing the pattern of bringing in stopgaps rather than younger players who can be on the bench for a year or so and then hopefully fill in as someone leaves. There's only so long that pattern can continue without it becoming unsustainable.

Although I guess we may have just taken it a step back and the various U-23s will be doing that in a couple of years.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:38 pm

Whilst he might available has there been any news as to whether SD is actually interested in signing him?

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:39 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:37 pm
He'd be an OK signing. It would be continuing the pattern of bringing in stopgaps rather than younger players who can be on the bench for a year or so and then hopefully fill in as someone leaves. There's only so long that pattern can continue without it becoming unsustainable.

Although I guess we may have just taken it a step back and the various U-23s will be doing that in a couple of years.
You could say that we are bringing through players such as Dunne and Benson.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by IanMcL » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:26 pm

Someone younger, willing to wait a season, would be nice.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by KRBFC » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:39 pm

What’s Lansbury up to these days

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by KRBFC » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:55 pm

Dawson, Wilshere and Welbeck. I still think we need a right midfielder though. We should be calling around the 3 relegated sides Watford, Bournemouth and Norwich to see who they’re looking to get rid of. Watford loaned out Delofeu (albeit to another Pozo club) who would’ve been an incredible fit for us wide right.

We need to beef out the squad a little, some of the names who haven’t left the relegated sides...

Watford - Capoue, Gray, Deeney, Success, Hughes, Janmaat, Masina, Chalobah, Cleverley, Cathcart

Norwich - Byram, Buendia, Cantwell, Klose,

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:55 pm
Dawson, Wilshere and Welbeck. I still think we need a right midfielder though. We should be calling around the 3 relegated sides Watford, Bournemouth and Norwich to see who they’re looking to get rid of. Watford loaned out Delofeu (albeit to another Pozo club) who would’ve been an incredible fit for us wide right.

We need to beef out the squad a little, some of the names who haven’t left the relegated sides...

Watford - Capoue, Gray, Deeney, Success, Hughes, Janmaat, Masina, Chalobah, Cleverley, Cathcart

Norwich - Byram, Buendia, Cantwell, Klose,
I thought Capoue is off to Valencia ?
Klose (who is crap) joined FC Basle this morning

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by dougcollins » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:38 pm

Once a Burnley fan experiences a failed transfer they seem to stick for ever.

Dawson, ffs.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Stayingup » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:54 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am
3 million too much
Come on everything is negotiable. Except taxes and passing on.......

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Stayingup » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:59 pm

Probably get him for 2.5m. Fits our profile very well. Over 30. Northern (very local actually went to Haslingden High) and a tough lad.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Quicknick » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:46 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:38 pm
Once a Burnley fan experiences a failed transfer they seem to stick for ever.

Dawson, ffs.
Very good defender and very dangerous at set-pieces.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:39 pm
You could say that we are bringing through players such as Dunne and Benson.
But bringing in Dale Stephens has blocked any possible progression for Benson realistically. I'm guessing we'll offer Cork a new deal as well so that will be 4 central midfielders ahead of him, all tied down for the next 2 or 3 years.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by dibraidio » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:21 pm

Signing a centre back now would make sense. Tarky has two years left on his contract. If the club want to cash in which I'm sure they do they don't want to leave it until he's in the last year of his contract. They should get a replacement in now so that he's got months before the next transfer window to bed into our framework.

Dawson is an obvious candidate considering that we're looking to spend an absolute minimum.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:30 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:39 pm
You could say that we are bringing through players such as Dunne and Benson.
Yes, that's what I said in the last line. Although the younger you go the more likely they are to fail (but on the flipside, the bigger the profits).

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:44 pm

Can we even stretch to £4m at the moment or is that beyond us? I think he'd be ok as a backup

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:48 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:08 pm
But bringing in Dale Stephens has blocked any possible progression for Benson realistically. I'm guessing we'll offer Cork a new deal as well so that will be 4 central midfielders ahead of him, all tied down for the next 2 or 3 years.
When you say blocking progression you are assuming Benson is currently as good as good or better than a player who has made a 100 plus appearances in the top flight.

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:54 pm

Dawson going to West Ham apparently

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Re: DAWSON AT £4M

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:59 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:48 pm
When you say blocking progression you are assuming Benson is currently as good as good or better than a player who has made a 100 plus appearances in the top flight.
No he's not.
He's inferring that the younger player has less chance of progressing with an extra midfielder ahead of him.

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