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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Winstonswhite » Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:59 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:03 pm
Any premier league club that wants him, and give him the funds to work with instead of having his hands tied behind his back.
Didn’t really answer the question. Who do you think will want him in the Premier League should we get relegated?

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:02 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:14 am
Not so much a comeback as a buy back, probably pick him up for 500k
You really do come out with some strange stuff :lol: :shock:

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Spijed » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:02 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:46 pm
It's well recognised with the money spent bolstering, Fulham & WBA have looked shakey a penny for a pinch of s**t they'll improve.
So what.

in the last few seasons Fulham and Villa spent over £200 million and that showed there was no guarantee of success. One got relegated and the other only survived on the last day.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:07 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:02 pm
So what.

in the last couple of seasons Fulham and Villa spent over £200 million and that showed there was no guarantee of success. One got relegated and the other only survived on the last day.
One offs aren't trends I've noticed some of your other posts where you excel at giving off good examples to reinforce your way of thinking, just because something's happened once doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again, if anything the example quoted "Fulham" maybe the lessons learnt although we have yet to see any tangible evidence of that so far at this premature stage.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Spijed » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:14 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:07 pm
One offs aren't trends I've noticed some of your other posts where you excel at giving off good examples to reinforce your way of thinking, just because something's happened once doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again, if anything the example quoted "Fulham" maybe the lessons learnt although we have yet to see any tangible evidence of that so far at this premature stage.
The point is there will be some clubs who have spent a lot this season who wont fare so well.

Newcastle spent £40 million on Jolinton for example. Again, there will be plenty of very expensive duds this season, as there are EVERY year.

So it's not a one off trend I've quoted is it?

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by GandalfsBeard » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:19 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:12 am
"Bounce Back"?

Now, who has been using that phrase recently?

Ah, Trump and Boris.
And Alan Partridge

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:29 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:14 pm
The point is there will be some clubs who have spent a lot this season who wont fare so well.

Newcastle spent £40 million on Jolinton for example. Again, there will be plenty of very expensive duds this season, as there are EVERY year.

So it's not a one off trend I've quoted is it?
It's not wise to invest trust in that way it's not a banker nothing ever is. If you are building that up towards our advantage chances are you will be disappointed that's all I'm saying.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Spijed » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:34 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:29 pm
It's not wise to invest trust in that way it's not a banker nothing ever is. If you are building that up towards our advantage chances are you will be disappointed that's all I'm saying.
I agree we do need to strengthen.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:49 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:40 pm
"About" isn't true it's substantially weaker even with everyone fit, & it's a far stronger league, I'm all for positivity but let's be honest about it.
I’d say we’re about as strong as the squad that started last season;

Lennon -> Brownhill
Hendrick -> Stephens
Hart -> Norris
Gibson -> ? I suppose it could be argued that Dunne has been promoted

I’d class that as ‘about’ as strong.

Is it a stronger league this season? That’s a totally different question. A lot of the mediocre teams look stronger, although it’s early days, yet to survive the drop we only need to be better than 3.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:51 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:02 pm
You really do come out with some strange stuff :lol: :shock:

boysie, just a tip... I wasn't being serious, hence including Heaton & Ward as well

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:06 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:49 pm
I’d say we’re about as strong as the squad that started last season;

Lennon -> Brownhill
Hendrick -> Stephens
Hart -> Norris
Gibson -> ? I suppose it could be argued that Dunne has been promoted

I’d class that as ‘about’ as strong.

Is it a stronger league this season? That’s a totally different question. A lot of the mediocre teams look stronger, although it’s early days, yet to survive the drop we only need to be better than 3.
It’s all based on opinions & it’s far too early to say if the replacements are upgrades or downgrades, you could argue the case strongly with goalie & defence without harshly criticising Norris or dunne, & the other 2 are more closer. People seem to be in disagreement whether the league is stronger or weaker which will inevitably have some sort of bearing on our adjustments regardless.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretMov » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:12 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:59 pm
Didn’t really answer the question. Who do you think will want him in the Premier League should we get relegated?
Look again.......I did

Any team that wants him, what don't you get with that answer, I can't name a club because no one at this moment needs a manager, but if they did Dyche would be gone almost all are bigger clubs and could pay a bigger wage and "all" have more money to spend.
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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:18 pm

At best we've stood still, while the league has got a lot tougher. With a full strength squad I think we'd be fine, but I'm a bit worried the injuries to Ben Mee and Jay are more serious than they're letting on, and Cork clearly isn't going to be back anytime soon. Kevin Long and Barnes just aren't good enough to be regular starters at this level.
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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretMov » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:21 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:18 pm
At best we've stood still, while the league has got a lot tougher. With a full strength squad I think we'd be fine, but I'm a bit worried the injuries to Ben Mee and Jay are more serious than they're letting on, and Cork clearly isn't going to be back anytime soon. Kevin Long and Barnes just aren't good enough to be regular starters at this level.

The squad is paper thin.....we have no back up at all, our back up player's are a joke.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Greenmile » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:15 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:18 pm
At best we've stood still, while the league has got a lot tougher. With a full strength squad I think we'd be fine, but I'm a bit worried the injuries to Ben Mee and Jay are more serious than they're letting on, and Cork clearly isn't going to be back anytime soon. Kevin Long and Barnes just aren't good enough to be regular starters at this level.
Barnes has been a regular starter at this level since we got promoted, more or less, and we’ve done alright.
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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:53 pm
I used transfermarkt for contract lengths
So any point me providing them on this site?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/players/squad-list

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:42 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:18 pm
At best we've stood still, while the league has got a lot tougher. With a full strength squad I think we'd be fine, but I'm a bit worried the injuries to Ben Mee and Jay are more serious than they're letting on, and Cork clearly isn't going to be back anytime soon. Kevin Long and Barnes just aren't good enough to be regular starters at this level.
Ben Mee's was a bad one - out three and a half months now, but he is back doing some training so just a matter of getting him fit and ready to play
Jay Rod - not so serious from what I've been told
Jack Cork - surgery, now in rehab, not sure how long.
Kevin Long not good enough? Couldn't agree more. I am astounded every time I read on here from posters that he never lets us down. Oh yes he does and far too often. Two slow, too cumbersome and easily brushed off.
Kevin Barnes not good enough? Not having that. Has been and once fit will be again.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:42 pm
Ben Mee's was a bad one - out three and a half months now, but he is back doing some training so just a matter of getting him fit and ready to play
Jay Rod - not so serious from what I've been told
Jack Cork - surgery, now in rehab, not sure how long.
Kevin Long not good enough? Couldn't agree more. I am astounded every time I read on here from posters that he never lets us down. Oh yes he does and far too often. Two slow, too cumbersome and easily brushed off.
Kevin Barnes not good enough? Not having that. Has been and once fit will be again.
I'm not denying Barnes has been a good player for us, I just feel him being in the team makes us too one dimensional and predictable. I also think a lot of defenders and referees have got wise to his antics now. I'd have Jay ahead of him every day of the week. But if he comes back and gets us 10 goals again I'll happily hold my hands up.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by AfloatinClaret » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:44 pm
I didn’t say everything that can go wrong will go wrong, I stated the need for the board to sort out the contracts ASAP and highlighted why.

I also emphasised the importance of this season, we aren’t relegated after 3 games and the window isn’t quite shut for us just yet, there’s still hope we can turn it around in the window and in the league.

I also started the post with “IF WE ARE RELEGATED” not “WHEN”, you see the difference yet?
So why doesn't your thread's Subject Line include any mention of the Premiership alternative?

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:40 pm
So any point me providing them on this site?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/players/squad-list
Wasn’t aware, will use for future reference, thanks :D

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:42 pm
Ben Mee's was a bad one - out three and a half months now, but he is back doing some training so just a matter of getting him fit and ready to play
Jay Rod - not so serious from what I've been told
Jack Cork - surgery, now in rehab, not sure how long.
Kevin Long not good enough? Couldn't agree more. I am astounded every time I read on here from posters that he never lets us down. Oh yes he does and far too often. Two slow, too cumbersome and easily brushed off.
Kevin Barnes not good enough? Not having that. Has been and once fit will be again.
Kevin Barnes is a hell of a player Tony ;)

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:22 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:07 pm
So why doesn't your thread's Subject Line include any mention of the Premiership alternative?
I expect the worst and hope for the best

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:32 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:03 pm
I'm not denying Barnes has been a good player for us, I just feel him being in the team makes us too one dimensional and predictable. I also think a lot of defenders and referees have got wise to his antics now. I'd have Jay ahead of him every day of the week. But if he comes back and gets us 10 goals again I'll happily hold my hands up.
When we started last season I'd have had Wood & Barnes up front without a doubt and I didn't think Jay started well with the opportunities he got. But as Barnes got injured and Jay came into it more he got better and better I thought and if I was picking the team now and all were fit then I'd go with Wood and Jay without a doubt with Barnes on the bench. I still think Barnes is a very good player for us at this level and I wouldn't be too keen to write him off. There's a lot more to come from him yet.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Winstonswhite » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:44 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:12 pm
Look again.......I did

Any team that wants him, what don't you get with that answer, I can't name a club because no one at this moment needs a manager, but if they did Dyche would be gone almost all are bigger clubs and could pay a bigger wage and "all" have more money to spend.
I didn’t get the answer because “anyone who wants him” isn’t an answer. But no probs you can’t name anyone so fair dos 👍

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretMov » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:13 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:44 pm
I didn’t get the answer because “anyone who wants him” isn’t an answer. But no probs you can’t name anyone so fair dos 👍

What a knob :roll:

Any club that needs a manager......I cant name anyone specific because a club isn't available at the moment. But if you don't understand fair dos :lol:

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:28 pm

I thought we pay him more than this


Manager

Base Salary

Weekly Wage

Club

Contract

Pep Guardiola

£20 million

£417,500

Manchester City

2021

Jürgen Klopp

£15 million

£313,500

Liverpool

2024

José Mourinho

£15 million

£313,000

Tottenham

2023

Carlo Ancelotti

£11 million

£230,000

Everton

2024

Frank Lampard

£8 million

£166,850

Chelsea

2022

Marcelo Bielsa

£8 million

£166,660

Leeds United

2022

Ole Gunnar Solskjær

£7.8 million

£160,000

Manchester United

2022

Mikel Arteta

£5 million

£105,000

Arsenal

2023

Brendan Rodgers

£5 million

£105,000

Leicester City

2025

Roy Hodgson

£4.5 million

£93,750

Crystal Palace

2021

Scott Parker

£3.5 million

£73,000

Fulham

2023

David Moyes

£3 million

£62,500

West Ham

2021

Steve Bruce

£2.75 million

£57,000

Newcastle United

2022

Nuno Espírito Santo (new contract deal)

£4 million

£85,000

Wolves

2023

Sean Dyche

£2.4 million

£50,000

Burnley

2022

Dean Smith

£1.5 million

£31,250

Aston Villa

2023

Graham Potter

£1 million

£21,000

Brighton

2024

Ralph Hasenhüttl

£1 million

£21,000

Southampton

2024

Slaven Bilić

£850,000

£17,700

West Bromwich

2021

Chris Wilder

£675,000

£14,000

Sheffield United

2024

Marcelo Bielsa joined the highest paid list of premier league managers, after

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by BenWickes » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:30 pm

When we were relegated in May 2015. Many thought that was that. Players would leave and we'd end up mid-table or worse. Fast forward to May 2016 and we were champions. I don't think we'll be close to relegation btw.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Winstonswhite » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:13 pm
What a knob :roll:

Any club that needs a manager......I cant name anyone specific because a club isn't available at the moment. But if you don't understand fair dos :lol:
My perfectly feasible question was which Premier League club do you think would want Dyche if we are relegated- and your reply was "any premier league club that needs a manager".

Ill just leave it there for you to have a think about.

And i'm supposedly the knob....

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Spijed » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:05 pm

After playing only three games can I ask why some are discussing an event that is:

1) Many months away

2) That no one can predict the outcome due to Covid 19

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretMov » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:52 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm
My perfectly feasible question was which Premier League club do you think would want Dyche if we are relegated- and your reply was "any premier league club that needs a manager".

Ill just leave it there for you to have a think about.

And i'm supposedly the knob....
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wow I bet you're fun on a night out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:18 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:04 pm
My perfectly feasible question was which Premier League club do you think would want Dyche if we are relegated- and your reply was "any premier league club that needs a manager".

Ill just leave it there for you to have a think about.

And i'm supposedly the knob....
In all fairness it was about the only answer to give.

For example
Palace - Hodgson may retire next year, contract expires next summer.
They may be in a position to offer Dyche a job, but they may also opt for someone else, like Howe if he's still unemployed.

Many variables to consider when asking who would want Dyche.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:29 pm

I don’t think we’ve entered the stage yet where managers are getting sacked & recruited, I think there’s been a odd 1 or 2 the forest position stands out, it’s irrelevant for now anyway there’s no immediate concern if the January bonus is correct it’s unlikely you’ll be seeing any movement until February & thereafter.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:54 pm

We’ve just finished tenth with the same squad, don’t panic !

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by dsr » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:44 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:13 pm
What a knob :roll:

Any club that needs a manager......I cant name anyone specific because a club isn't available at the moment. But if you don't understand fair dos :lol:
Every chance that Man United will be looking for a new manager soon. Do you think Dyche will go there?

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by claretandy » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:38 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:28 pm
I thought we pay him more than this
Sean Dyche

£2.4 million

£50,000

Burnley

2022

We do, £3.5M a year, plus £2.5M bonus paid in January for stopping up.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by ClaretMov » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:06 am

dsr wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:44 pm
Every chance that Man United will be looking for a new manager soon. Do you think Dyche will go there?
You know the club's that when looking for a new manager that will come calling, obviously not Man utd, Chelsea or Spurs ect, but clubs like Fulham, West Brom, Southampton Crystal Palace ect will, and they all will have more money to spend and pay bigger wages.

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Re: Our Championship squad next year

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:41 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:56 pm
I think the league has got stronger.

Leeds look like theyll be easily safe, Villa who scraped staying up by the skin of their teeth look a far better side, West ham have started decent, and are 6 points ahead of us already.

Hopefully WBA and Fulham fill 2 of the 3 places and its acase if only being better than 1 other side.

It's ok saying we are as strong with everyone back, the truth is we cannot bank on having a fully fit 11 every week, an injury on 1 of the wings or CB, even for just half a dozen games could spell disaster. We are looking rather weak at the back and not great going forward either and we have 2 nailed on first teamers out, just 2.

Think the next 3 games will give a better idea of the league, and the strength of our squad, I really do think we need 4 points for it to be classed as a just below average start.
If we fail to pick up anything at the Hawthorns, then I'll start to get concerned. We've been fairly clinical against the Clubs around and below us over the last few seasons ....

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