Grealish

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:18 pm

Fouled a lot last night.

And for Villa generally.

Does anyone have the stats for when they beat Liverpool last week though?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:30 pm

No, but I have to say what I saw from Grealish last nite I havent previously seen.... maybe that’s cos I don’t watch villa week in week out, but even so....
Good shift that...

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:39 pm

He stands out a mile for me whenever I have seen him.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:42 pm

A class player but getting a bit of a reputation for diving.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:56 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:30 pm
No, but I have to say what I saw from Grealish last nite I havent previously seen.... maybe that’s cos I don’t watch villa week in week out, but even so....
Good shift that...

Take it you wasn't on the turf when he pulled us apart last season?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:00 pm

Yeah, absolutely ran the show at the Turf.

V good player.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:03 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:56 pm
Take it you wasn't on the turf when he pulled us apart last season?

Has looked one of the best players on the park in every game I’ve watched him, has made some mistakes off the pitch which has I guess masked his good traits and all he does locally. (Deservedly at times) but he’s a young kid, plays for his home town club, works hard every game, unbelievable talent.

But... he’s English, young and rich (see Sterling) so you generally see a lot of people hoping he fails.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:03 pm

Villa mate said that with good players around him this year he has looked brilliant

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:07 pm

Seems Phil Foden is so last season then...

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:09 pm

'he's a young kid'

He's 25.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:10 pm

Best player I’ve seen this season. An exceptional talent. I bet United are sick for putting all their eggs in the wrong basket.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 pm

He was very good for England but still not convinced.

I've seen him go missing far too often when it mattered.

Another factor in how well he plays is if the referee buys into his novel take on what constitutes a foul. If a refereee understands the laws of the game and doesn't reward Grealish when he flops to the floor, he's liable to get clattered and sulk.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:14 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:09 pm
'he's a young kid'

He's 25.

Apologies middle aged man

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:15 pm

He's a Fanny.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:18 pm

He is all of the things above!

I regard him as a great talent...who knows it.

With proper management, coaching, he should be able to trust his colleagues and release earlier. Then he will be ace.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:19 pm

Did he get "fouled" whilst they were tearing apart Liverpool?

Shipclaret · Post by **Shipclaret** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:22 pm

Isn't that Adams?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:34 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:15 pm
He's a Fanny.

He is certainly that but.... a very talented Fanny ....

A "Fanny" who when he stays upright and carries on like he did last night in an England shirt, perhaps, and I repeat perhaps, he may just get a tad more support from "non" Villa fans when he pulls on the 3 Lions

Like Eddie says above he has a rep for diving....

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:43 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:56 pm
Take it you wasn't on the turf when he pulled us apart last season?

You take it right.

Last nite was the best I’ve seen him play. I was I’m pressed not just with his skill, but his work ethic. One minute whipping a cross in from the right, next minute pulling saka (sp) out the **** in the left back area.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:57 pm

Good player when he stays on his feet, he should do it more often.

He played well that game on New Years Day but I wouldn’t say he pulled us apart.
It was one of our worst performances of the season and we still should have got a point.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:01 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:19 pm
Did he get "fouled" whilst they were tearing apart Liverpool?

4.7 times according to the stats

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:15 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:57 pm
Good player when he stays on his feet, he should do it more often.

He played well that game on New Years Day but I wouldn’t say he pulled us apart.
It was one of our worst performances of the season and we still should have got a point.

I agree that we were far from at our best, but he was head and shoulders above everyone on the pitch.
Even the Villa players

Edit to say, we could have had a point, but certainly didn't deserve one. Would have been out of sight but for a dodgy VAR decision

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:17 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:43 pm
You take it right.

Last nite was the best I’ve seen him play. I was I’m pressed not just with his skill, but his work ethic. One minute whipping a cross in from the right, next minute pulling saka (sp) out the **** in the left back area.

I've seen him a few times and he's capable of performances like that, but can go missing as others have previously said.
He was excellent against us in the home game last season mind

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:23 pm

He certainly played well. And he does get fouled a lot, which is not surprising as few English players dribble better than he does.
I doubt he'll make the starting 11 vs Belgium, though

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:32 pm

I think I'd start him vs Belgium.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:41 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:32 pm
I think I'd start him vs Belgium.

Front 3 will be Kane, Sterling and one other.. Ings? .could be Grealish I suppose as he could drop in to midfield which would be handy against a very good Belgian side.

tally · Post by **tally** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:59 pm

As long as he puts a shift in then he could be a permanent fixture

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:34 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:14 pm
Apologies middle aged man

Elderly

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:48 pm

Way better than media luvvie Maddison.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:02 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:41 pm
Front 3 will be Kane, Sterling and one other.. Ings? .could be Grealish I suppose as he could drop in to midfield which would be handy against a very good Belgian side.

I thought Sterling was injured, personally I'd be tempted to go with DCL & Ings against Belgium, Kane barely troubled them in the 2 WC meetings, and the other 2 are flying, we'll likely lose anyway, so we not give them a go, we know what Kane can do at this level, but if he was injured before next summer suddenly you'd face the prospect of an inexperienced forward line, and for some reason England play better without Kane in the line-up, it's a big call, and I don't think Gareth will make it, but that's what I'd do.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:07 pm

I don't know what it is, but there is something for me that says, a tw@t.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:08 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:02 pm
I thought Sterling was injured, personally I'd be tempted to go with DCL & Ings against Belgium, Kane barely troubled them in the 2 WC meetings, and the other 2 are flying, we'll likely lose anyway, so we not give them a go, we know what Kane can do at this level, but if he was injured before next summer suddenly you'd face the prospect of an inexperienced forward line, and for some reason England play better without Kane in the line-up, it's a big call, and I don't think Gareth will make it, but that's what I'd do.

i didn't know Sterling was injured. Ings deserves a shot at it, as does DCL. I've yet to see what Sancho brings to the side, but i'm not an FA coach.
I liked the team vs Wales, left wing-back could be an issue. But GS will probably go for the more experienced players.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:16 pm

He’s an outstanding player.

Said it on the the last thread we had about him. Football fans in general have some kind of weird hatred for players like him. Mostly jealousy. Good looking lad, plenty of money, outstanding talent, captain of his own club. He’s living the ultimate footballers dream. I highly doubt he’s ever gonna leave Villa. He’ll go down as their greatest ever. No doubt.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:21 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:16 pm
He’s an outstanding player.

Said it on the the last thread we had about him. Football fans in general have some kind of weird hatred for players like him. Mostly jealousy. Good looking lad, plenty of money, outstanding talent, captain of his own club. He’s living the ultimate footballers dream. I highly doubt he’s ever gonna leave Villa. He’ll go down as their greatest ever. No doubt.

I can explain that for you. Shinpads.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:23 pm

RMutt wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:21 pm
I can explain that for you. Shinpads.

You’ll find most footballers wear small shin pads.

But then again, if that was Ben Mee wearing small shin pads you’ll be saying cos he’s hard as nails.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:23 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:16 pm
He’s an outstanding player.

He’ll go down as their greatest ever. No doubt.

He'll never surpass Tony Morley.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:31 pm

Dyched wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:23 pm
You’ll find most footballers wear small shin pads.

But then again, if that was Ben Mee wearing small shin pads you’ll be saying cos he’s hard as nails.

Doesn't bother me, I just remember when he first appeared he had socks half way down his lower legs and shin pads somewhere underneath that said to some people ' poser'. I just think some of the negativity stems from there.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:32 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:14 pm
Apologies middle aged man

He's not middle aged; he's younger than that.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:47 pm

It’s time to acknowledge he’s a top class footballer. Isn’t much more to it than that.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:55 pm

He’s top drawer is Grealish.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:54 pm

He must be a very brave man. It's something like 100 times a season he is so badly hurt that he is literally screaming in pain. Lying on the floor, thumping the ground, and screaming and crying. To make a grown man cry like a baby it has to be a lot of pain - you see rugby players have sixty stone of opponents jump on them and get up and play on. How seriously injured must Grealish be to react like he does. I mean, most of the time not only has someone touched him, but he's actually fallen over and landed on the grass.

And yet he gets up and plays on. What a hero.

The Daily Telegraph had something pathetic last week about Bardsley and Saint Maximin, about how Bardsley had clattered him so hard that the screams of pain could be heard round the ground. They didn't mention that two minutes later he was screaming in pain again as he almost made contact with Long's leg. When will referees and journalists finally realsie that when a player screams, he is pretending?

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:49 pm

Plays like he is playing with his mates in the school yard. If more players played like him instead of like chess pieces then football would be more entertaining.

Marty Dobson · Post by **Marty Dobson** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:14 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:03 pm
But... he’s English, young and rich (see Sterling) so you generally see a lot of people hoping he fails.

He's only English since 2 years ago.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:41 am

Sourness said he gets fouled a lot because he hangs onto the ball to long.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:33 am

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:32 pm
I think I'd start him vs Belgium.

Rumours are that he will start against Belgium, this will be a much sterner test of his international credentials, because I suspect England won't see anywhere near as much of the ball as they did in the Wales game. and the midfield will have to graft their socks off to curtail all the attacking talent the Belgians possess.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:53 am

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:33 am
Rumours are that he will start against Belgium, this will be a much sterner test of his international credentials, because I suspect England won't see anywhere near as much of the ball as they did in the Wales game. and the midfield will have to graft their socks off to curtail all the attacking talent the Belgians possess.

I think one of the reasons why we expect Belgium to have more of the ball is because they are better technically. Which is why I think we need players like Grealish in the side. Somebody who keeps the ball very well (unless he's chopped down) and can take players on.

As always, it will be down to whether our defence is up to it. Playing Trippier on the left, and Dier at centre-back, doesn't fill me with confidence.