England

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:47 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:45 pm
If you have a lot of really exciting attacking talent but a very poor defence and goalkeeper, do you;

A.) Pick more very poor defensive players to give additional protection to the very poor defence, or;

B.) Play to your strengths by picking on-form attacking players and aim to score more goals than the other side?

Is this a question for the current out of depth incumbent?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:47 pm

I can understand why Middlesbrough got relegated under Southgate, which, by the way, is Southgate's total contribution to football as a club manager.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:48 pm

This is so typical of England.
Shoot themselves in the foot.
It's never worth getting excited about our national team.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:50 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:47 pm
Is this a question for the current out of depth incumbent?

I think he answered that question with his last few team selections.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Just switched on, why are we not in home kit?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Haven't seen it mentioned ... but is it me

or did Rashford kick off when he should have been taking the knee at the start of this match

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Hahahahaaaaa. Nice one slab head!

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Sounds like I’ve missed a cracking first half

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:57 pm

and we are still playing two defensive midfielders. We give the opposition nothing to think about, Grealish beats men with ease and carries a team 20 yards up the pitch on his own, wins 15 free kicks a game and can score

Let's leave him on the bench

Southgate out

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:58 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm
Haven't seen it mentioned ... but is it me or did Rashford kick off when he should have been taking the knee at the start of this match

Yes, he forgot about 'taking the knee' and passed the ball back, he looked a tad embarrassed about it.

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:03 pm

Does the red card mean Maguire misses the next game (hoping the answer is yes)

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:06 pm

icu81b4 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:58 pm
Yes, he forgot about 'taking the knee' and passed the ball back, he looked a tad embarrassed about it.

Thought so very embarrassing for the lad

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:14 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:38 pm
I honestly didn't even realise we were playing, shows how much attention I take to the football these days

me too...I didn’t know until today that this was Europe and not World Cup qualifiers

up the Clarets!

Wellsy1882 · Post by **Wellsy1882** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:16 pm

Always hate playing denmark
Erikson scores and keeper always has a blinder

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:17 pm

Henderson coming on to tighten things up.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:22 pm

I put the TV on, to watch England and then I saw them on one knee and remembered and just switched off.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:23 pm

Pstotto wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:22 pm
I put the TV on the watch England and then I saw them on one knee and remembered and just switched off.

Course you did

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:24 pm

Yes. Except it was the Wales game... Tonight's game who cares. Whoever THEY are... THEY want football destroyed. They want you to think about THEM and not football, to scare you that there is a THEY.

If all footballers suddenly looked off camera (they do it sometimes on MOTD) and looked scared, by implication... THEY are there.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:25 pm

Pstotto wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:24 pm
Yes. Except it was the Wales game... Tonight's game who cares. Whoever THEY are... THEY want football destroyed.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:29 pm

What’s the point of the keeper playing out to the wide defender for said defender to play it long? Woeful tactics from clueless Southgate.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:30 pm

As bad as I was expecting... why I was not going to bother, just flicked on to see who was on. No backbone or fight

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:33 pm

No wonder Man U want to change things in the Premier League so they can make more money - at the expense of 14 other clubs - when they are so profligate and useless in their buying of players. £185 million on Pogba and Maguire.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:34 pm

#southgate out

Clueless

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:36 pm

Pstotto wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:24 pm
Yes. Except it was the Wales game... Tonight's game who cares. Whoever THEY are... THEY want football destroyed. They want you to think about THEM and not football, to scare you that there is a THEY.

If all footballers suddenly looked off camera (they do it sometimes on MOTD) and looked scared, by implication... THEY are there.

Maybe stick to strange comments about "art" stuff Pstotto

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 pm

Imagine the boos if there was a crowd in Wembley.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 pm

Plucky result considering we were down to 9 men.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 pm

Worst ref I have seen since Mason against Preston or Moss any week.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:40 pm

summitclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 pm
Worst ref I have seen since Mason against Preston or Moss any week.

Yeah. As rubbish as England were, and they really were, that ref was atrocious.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:40 pm

Now 3rd in the group.

huw.Y.WattfromWare · Post by **huw.Y.WattfromWare** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:40 pm

Serious question.
Has anybody ever seen Sancho have a good game for England?
No wonder ManU wouldn’t pay the fee Dortmund were asking.
The most over-rated player since £80m for slabhead.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:41 pm

You can’t blame the ref for England being sh!t

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:42 pm

Hopefully, that's the last we see of Maguire, Pickford and Southgate !

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:42 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:41 pm
You can’t blame the ref for England being sh!t

I don’t think anyone is.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:44 pm

This has been dire England have gone backwards since the WC, and even since last years NL, Southgate is contracted until the 2022 WC, so alas we'll have to suffer this tedium for another 2 years.

£3m a year for this is a joke, GS must be laughing all the way to the bank, and let's be honest he's never going to get a PL gig, so why wouldn't he milk the England cash cow well he can.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:45 pm

Scary how far we’ve regressed since outplaying Spain away from home 18 months or so ago.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:45 pm

'Maybe stick to strange comments about "art" stuff Pstotto

'

The comment THEY got Bosscat to write...

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:45 pm

summitclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:39 pm
Worst ref I have seen since Mason against Preston or Moss any week.

Seriously??? You.really.need to understand the laws of the game.

There was no issues with any of the cards.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:42 pm
I don’t think anyone is.

Summitclaret was!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:47 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:46 pm
Summitclaret was!

I think he was just commenting on how poor the referee was.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:48 pm

I don’t think ref was poor

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm

Should Maguire have had a red, instead of first yellow?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:40 pm
Serious question.
Has anybody ever seen Sancho have a good game for England?
No wonder ManU wouldn’t pay the fee Dortmund were asking.
The most over-rated player since £80m for slabhead.

I'm surprised they didn't pay twice the price for him. 85 was Maguire.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm

Let's be crystal clear this was about England's inadequacies not the match official

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:50 pm

Referee doing his job just as UEFA amd FIFA want him to do his job. He refereed as he does in Spain and this is the accepted standard as far as those running the game are concerned. It is England that are out of step as far as UEFA and FIFA are concerned.

Get used to it because this is the modern game that is strange ot those of us who have been involved with the game at various levels since the 1960s.
It is no longer enjoyable as far as I am concerned.

I'll bet that Tarks was pleased not to be part of that!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:51 pm

dpinsussex wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm
Let's be crystal clear this was about England's inadequacies not the match official

Let’s be clear. Nobody has said otherwise. It is possible for both England and the referee to be poor.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:51 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 pm
Should Maguire have had a red, instead of first yellow?

Quite possibly. So would that not be a bad decision by the ref?

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:52 pm

dpinsussex wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:45 pm
Seriously??? You.really.need to understand the laws of the game.

There was no issues with any of the cards.

We were crap and deserved to lose BUT he gave them some dodgy free kicks in the middle and was pretty inconsistent. There was no difference between their penalty and the challenge on coady. On Southgate, why are we playing such negative defensive footy when we have all of that attacking talent?

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:51 pm

Let’s be clear. Nobody has said otherwise. It is possible for both England and the referee to be poor.

Referee applied law tonight. Well done to,him. Very good performance. Stood up to the usual bull.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:56 pm

Declan Rice???

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:56 pm

So many things wrong with this England team.

Pickford, Maguire, Dier(I know he didn't play tonight). Just nowhere near good enough. We suffer creativity going forward, yet Grealish is left on the bench.

Rasford is a player, and there have been many over the years, who get this inflated reputation from having 6 average meh games, and 1 really outstanding game. It's not good enough at this level, because when he has his meh games we might as well be playing with 10 men.

Southgates system, if it is a system, certainly doesn't suit the players hes got, as someone else said whats the point of playing the ball put from the back, if it just means the full back wellies it instead of the keeper.

We need Southgate to go, but we all know that isn't going to happen.