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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:44 pm

Liverpool 1 up in 3 mins.
Pickford scythes VVD down but offside given. I’d have given him a red for endangering an opponent.
VVD subbed by Gomez. Southgates poster boy back on the bench at L’pool.

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:46 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:44 pm
Liverpool 1 up in 3 mins.
Pickford scythes VVD down but offside given. I’d have given him a red for endangering an opponent.
VVD subbed by Gomez. Southgates poster boy back on the bench at L’pool.
Got very lucky - awful challenge and out of control

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Re: Todays football

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:46 pm

Rangers lead at Celtic

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:46 pm

Rangers leading Celtic 1-0 in the other derby.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:46 pm

An obvious sending off for Pickford ignored by VAR

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Post by burnleymik » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:47 pm

Could VAR not look at the Pickford tackle because of the offside? it was an horrific tackle.

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Post by Whitgord » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:47 pm

Not sure how that can be right for the game. Offside by a whisker (maybe) but Pickford’s challenge was definitively a red card pre VAR.

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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:49 pm

Ridiculous, that’s a red if an outfield player makes the same challenge.

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Post by Red Fox Rocks Socks » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:51 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:49 pm
Ridiculous, that’s a red if an outfield player makes the same challenge.
Why wasn’t he given a red? Not watching it live.

Surely the game continues and if he’d punched him it’d be a red so why not for the tackle

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:51 pm

Goal Keane.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:00 pm

VAR can and should have looked at it - it’s a straight red

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Post by IanMcL » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:50 pm

Scottie Arfield made a very good 2nd goal for Gers.

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Post by Stayingup » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:54 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:50 pm
Scottie Arfield made a very good 2nd goal for Gers.
Yes and he's one we should have kept in my vire
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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:04 pm

What a finish

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Re: Todays football

Post by kritichris » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:09 pm

His 100th for the 'pool apparently

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:09 pm

Brilliant save by Pickford

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Post by Zlatan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:12 pm

Calvert-Lewin equalised

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:12 pm

So strong in the air

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Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:15 pm

DLC just a poor man's Sam Vokes

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Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:17 pm

Lots of diving here. Absolutely shameful -

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:24 pm

Pickford oh dear

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Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:25 pm

England's Number 1...

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:25 pm

That is not offside

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:25 pm

Gets lucky once again

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Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:26 pm

RIP football

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Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:26 pm

That's not offside. The var even shows not...

What is going on???

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:27 pm

It’ll be Uefa’s fault again no doubt.

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:27 pm

That is the worstofficiated match I’ve ever witnessed.
David Coote should never be on VAR again. The lines for both the VVD incident and Hendersons goal were shocking. Mane in particular the line was taken from his elbow.
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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:30 pm

Sounds like Liverpool should have won.

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Post by Right_winger » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:30 pm

Not seen the Liverpool game was more interested in the old firm... and the right team won.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:32 pm

It’s not even funny how bad Pickford is any more. It’s totally mental that he’s playing for both club and country.

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Post by Goodclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:32 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:27 pm
That is the worstofficiated match I’ve ever witnessed.
David Coote should never be on VAR again. The lines for both the VVD incident and Hendersons goal were shocking. Mane in particular the line was taken from his elbow.
I think that's one of the worst VAR decisions so far!!

Liverpool absolutely shafted today.

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Re: Todays football

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:34 pm

Goodclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:32 pm
I think that's one of the worst VAR decisions so far!!

Liverpool absolutely shafted today.
How can it be a bad decision? With VAR you’re either onside or offside, and based on the technology Mane was offside. It’s a totally ludicrous situation, but it’s not a bad decision.
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Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 pm

Imagine that going against you in the last minute of a derby match, you'd be absolutely fuming.
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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:36 pm

Nothing to indicate that it’s offside - needs to be clear and obvious, it’s neither.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:37 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:36 pm
Nothing to indicate that it’s offside - needs to be clear and obvious, it’s neither.
No it doesn’t. It’s either offside or onside.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:38 pm

Clearly onside then

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:39 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:38 pm
Clearly onside then
You don’t have the benefit of the technology though.

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:41 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:39 pm
You don’t have the benefit of the technology though.
Might be wrong but didn't look like the technology was used correctly though.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm

Neither do you - the Media channels do - none claiming it was offside. The VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:41 pm
Might be wrong but didn't look like the technology was used correctly though.
I don’t think what we see on our screen is what the VAR sees on his screen, from what I’ve read.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm
Neither do you - the Media channels do - none claiming it was offside. The VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected
Not for offsides it doesn’t. You’re wrong.

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm
I don’t think what we see on our screen is what the VAR sees on his screen, from what I’ve read.
Not sure that matters in this instance. I'll wait to see it again because you seem clear it was offside. At the time I thought it was an incorrect decision because you can't be offside with an arm.

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Post by Goodclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:47 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:34 pm
How can it be a bad decision? With VAR you’re either onside or offside, and based on the technology Mane was offside. It’s a totally ludicrous situation, but it’s not a bad decision.
From the lines shown on tv he wasn't offside though, hence an awful decision?

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Re: Todays football

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:49 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:46 pm
Not sure that matters in this instance. I'll wait to see it again because you seem clear it was offside. At the time I thought it was an incorrect decision because you can't be offside with an arm.
No, don’t get me wrong. I’m not clear that was offside. I can’t tell whether it’s offside or not because I don’t have the benefit of the technology, and the technology isn’t accurate enough to judge decisions to such small margins.

But if the technology shows that Mane was 1mm offside then he is offside. It’s a ridiculous rule but that’s where we are. I have to assume that the VAR has used the technology to arrive at that decision - particularly as it would have been easier to let the goal stand.

As for offside with the arm, hasn’t the line moved to the ‘t-shirt’ line now?

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Post by Goodclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:50 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:42 pm
I don’t think what we see on our screen is what the VAR sees on his screen, from what I’ve read.
Ok, maybe then. If that's the case it's pointless showing us anything on tv.

Not having a go Riley as I usually go with the offsides as they should be black and white. This just looked wrong.
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Re: Todays football

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:52 pm

Goodclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:47 pm
From the lines shown on tv he wasn't offside though, hence an awful decision?
This line shows him offside doesn’t it?
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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:52 pm

Not heard about evidence being withheld from the tv viewing public. What would be the reason behind that?

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:53 pm

That all looks level.

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Post by taio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:54 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:49 pm
No, don’t get me wrong. I’m not clear that was offside. I can’t tell whether it’s offside or not because I don’t have the benefit of the technology, and the technology isn’t accurate enough to judge decisions to such small margins.

But if the technology shows that Mane was 1mm offside then he is offside. It’s a ridiculous rule but that’s where we are. I have to assume that the VAR has used the technology to arrive at that decision - particularly as it would have been easier to let the goal stand.

As for offside with the arm, hasn’t the line moved to the ‘t-shirt’ line now?
I didn't think the VAR line was aligned to the t shirt line or that the technology showed he was 1mm offside. If he was fair enough - clear and obvious error certainly doesn't apply to offside.

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