How did Leeds get so good?

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How did Leeds get so good?

Post by icu81b4 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm

Just watched them trounce Villa.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:45 pm

Playing without fear.

Confidence on the promotion bounce. A la sheff Utd last year.

An attack minded manager.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Bosscat » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:45 pm

There are the biggest club in the Universe (if not further than that)

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:48 pm

Big budget and a world class manager.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:48 pm

Spend, spend, spend....plus the positivity of just being promoted. Let’s see where they are after a couple of years.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Vino blanco » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:52 pm

I didn't see tonight's performance, but what I have seen of them they play fast, attacking football, keeping the ball on the deck mostly, passing into space for players who tend to be moving no-stop. This has been created by an attack minded, football understanding manager, who it must be said has been backed in the transfer market by his board. I hate to say it, but they are a progressive club going places.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:56 pm

Bielsa.
Hopefully, one of the more prominent well-heeled clubs has their beady eyes on him....

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:56 pm

You've got to factor in us going backwards makes them seem to have improved more than they really have

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by icu81b4 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:57 pm

How many players have they bought recently?

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by NewClaret » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:58 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:56 pm
You've got to factor in us going backwards makes them seem to have improved more than they really have
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:02 pm

It’s looking like anyone can beat anyone this season. :)

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by what_no_pies » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:07 pm

I'll wager Bamford doesn't cry in his car any more.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:08 pm

Bamford on fire! What's going on?

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:56 pm
You've got to factor in us going backwards makes them seem to have improved more than they really have
No you don't, there is no point of comparison yet ;)

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by bfcjg » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:12 pm

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:08 pm
Bamford on fire! What's going on?
The modern day Guy Fawkes.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jurek » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:16 pm

He's playing for a team that create chances and lots of them.
27 shots against Villa. Pretty good for an away team.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:38 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:02 pm
It’s looking like anyone can beat anyone this season. :)
Except Burnley :(

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Steddyman » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:44 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:56 pm
Bielsa.
Hopefully, one of the more prominent well-heeled clubs has their beady eyes on him....
He won't leave Leeds. He has to put his heart and soul into a club and the city before joining them. He is incredibly loyal.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:38 pm
Except Burnley :(
No, anyone can beat Burnley too.
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:38 pm
Except Burnley :(
I don’t think our season will be a disaster. Dyche has pulled us out of more critical positions. Lawro predicts we’ll beat Spurs, and I trust his professional eye to see beyond the gloom we sometimes have as fans.

I think Dyche will relish playing against Bielsa.
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:02 am

i detest them, but its hardly surprising they are doing well. they fought well in a tough league to gain promotion. same team has gelled over a long period and that makes them formidable. we had that once, but sadly appear to be in disarray.
leeds won't remain in such a lofty position, but they will finish safely.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:03 am

Probably because they're playing as their fans see them, we play as our fans see us

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:11 am

Steddyman wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:44 pm
He won't leave Leeds. He has to put his heart and soul into a club and the city before joining them. He is incredibly loyal.
Fair enough, but surely that writ only runs so far.
For example, if OGS got the bum's rush at OT and they came in for Bielsa and said you've got millions at your disposal (millions that would make Leeds resources look like petty cash) you don't think he's gonna be interested?

Loyalty? We'll see.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by AndrewJB » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:12 am

Steddyman wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:44 pm
He won't leave Leeds. He has to put his heart and soul into a club and the city before joining them. He is incredibly loyal.
His managerial record doesn’t bear that out. In just five more games with Leeds, he’ll have equalled his managerial record with Ath. Bilbao - 112 games. Otherwise he seems to be a 1 1/2 season guy. It might be that with Leeds he’s found his holy grail in a board willing to work with him (he was manager of Lazio for only two days), but I doubt that at 65, his ambitions will rest with Leeds, if, say, Man U came calling. My guess, so I could be wrong. :)

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:18 am

They’ve beaten Fulham, Sheffield Utd & Villa. The champions of the championship would probably have been expected to do that. Their big bonus point was the draw with Man City.

But points on the board is always good. But let’s not worry to much about them yet.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by superdimitri » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:09 am

They aren't that good, neither particularly are Aston Villa.

Strange times, strange results. I'm sure we'll get a fair share of them.

When the going gets tough, as it does for every team its how you recover that counts. We're in much better stead recovering from a bad run than any recently promoted team.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Quicknick » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:26 am

Leeds won't last.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by dermotdermot » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:22 am

Bamford gets a hat trick! Well I never!

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by thelaughingclaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:41 am

They have spent loads this summer strengthening to be ready and competitive this season and have a decent manager, meanwhile we have spent nothing and have lost key squad players meaning we are weaker then last season. No surprise is it. Leeds and their owners actually want to be in this league and it shows.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:39 am

They have certainly spent big this season with two of their biggest signings not even starting last night. Also, according to Transfermarket, they actually made a good profit of over £20m on player deals last season using the loan market very well
But, whoever convinced Bielsa to go to Leeds pulled off the best deal.
He would appear to have improved a fair number of very average players. The likes of Phillips, Dallas, Ayling, and Bamford have come on very well. Add astute deals such as Klich, Harrison, Meslier and Poveda and you get what appears to be a side more than good enough for survival in this league
The manager is also not afraid to make substitute moves at any time if things are not working - he subbed the central midfielder halfway through the first half last night because he was already yellow carded and struggling in the game

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Terry Cochrane » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:39 am

It’s a simple answer. A manager who built a team with Championship resources and organises them well. Furthermore accent on fitness to play a pressing game.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:44 am

thelaughingclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:41 am
They have spent loads this summer strengthening to be ready and competitive this season and have a decent manager, meanwhile we have spent nothing and have lost key squad players meaning we are weaker then last season. No surprise is it. Leeds and their owners actually want to be in this league and it shows.
What is a “key squad player”? Someone only good enough to be a squad player but somehow he is key?

Define a “key squad player” for me

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 am

They have the desire to rapidly pass and run forwards with the ball, whilst we have the desire to pass it backwards or sideways before hoofing it aimlessly.
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:09 am

It dispels the myth on here that a team has to spend millions of pounds in order to string a few passes together and play some positive football.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:18 am

Their strength is in the whole team being fast enough to join attacks and then sprint back if needed.

We probably only have Charlie Taylor that can get back from being out of position quickly. So our players tend to stay rigid.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:23 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:09 am
It dispels the myth on here that a team has to spend millions of pounds in order to string a few passes together and play some positive football.
How does it do that? They spent about £100m in the last window.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Top Claret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:24 am

I never watched the game but for Leeds to score 3 goals away from home without reply, the home side must have been very poor

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Safron » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:30 am

Got a manager and coaches who understand football, wasn't afraid to make early sub when player was close to being sent off, to protect the gameplan, got to applaud this guy and stop the jealousy, from many claret fans, at the moment they are streets ahead of us, and before you say they have spent millions,has SD not over his tenure?? And look where we are!!
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:32 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:23 am
How does it do that? They spent about £100m in the last window.
Plenty of their lineup last night were signed cheaply or Championship journeymen till Bielsa got hold of them.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Sozturf7 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

6 games in going well. But 6 games only.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:05 am

Felt they ran out of steam a bit in the 2nd half against Wolves last Monday, but last night they were excellent against a vastly improved Villa side. Definitely carried the momentum forward from last season and playing very expansive football. Think the'll finish it the top half.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by tim_noone » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:11 am

Safron wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:30 am
Got a manager and coaches who understand football, wasn't afraid to make early sub when player was close to being sent off, to protect the gameplan, got to applaud this guy and stop the jealousy, from many claret fans, at the moment they are streets ahead of us, and before you say they have spent millions,has SD not over his tenure?? And look where we are!!
Yes Leeds after many many attempts with Previous manager not being up to it or given a chance they appear to have unearthed a good un. We still have a very good man in charge and tbf its early days for us.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Spijed » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:55 am

Safron wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:30 am
Got a manager and coaches who understand football, wasn't afraid to make early sub when player was close to being sent off, to protect the gameplan, got to applaud this guy and stop the jealousy, from many claret fans, at the moment they are streets ahead of us, and before you say they have spent millions,has SD not over his tenure?? And look where we are!!
So all of a sudden players like Bamford are better than what we have?
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:24 am
I never watched the game but for Leeds to score 3 goals away from home without reply, the home side must have been very poor
As you say, "I never watched the game" so you don't have a clue what you are talking about

I want Burnley to beat Leeds every time we play them but I just don't get this obsession by many on here to call them down when they play the type of football we can only dream of
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Steddyman » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:11 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:11 am
Fair enough, but surely that writ only runs so far.
For example, if OGS got the bum's rush at OT and they came in for Bielsa and said you've got millions at your disposal (millions that would make Leeds resources look like petty cash) you don't think he's gonna be interested?

Loyalty? We'll see.
He has no interest in the money. When Leeds got fined for spying he paid it out of his own pocket. He isn't motivated by it at all.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:17 am

Spijed wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:55 am
So all of a sudden players like Bamford are better than what we have?
Their football is far more enjoyable to watch than ours. Surely even you have to admit that Spijed?

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Spijed » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:53 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:17 am
Their football is far more enjoyable to watch than ours. Surely even you have to admit that Spijed?
Depends how you define enjoyable football. Even last season we played some great stuff, and against the better sides too. Man U away, Spurs and Arsenal at home were some great performances.

Against other teams we often have to play safety first to ensure we get the points.
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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Gp8419 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:06 pm

There very well organised very good manager but so is dyche ( a bad start for us some forget all that’s gone before).But I’m certainly not on the big love in with Leeds,there on a crest of a wave and playing out there skins.But I would like people to judge them on a whole season,in some of the comments Leeds are far superior to us.Well I don’t think there will be much in it points wise at the end of the season between us both.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by JohnMac » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:06 pm

Hard work and a world class coach.

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Re: How did Leeds get so good?

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:33 pm

I think a combination of things fell into place for them, Radrizzani seems to be recruiting better than cellino ever did by the appointment of bielsa after sacking a few beforehand & bielsas is a excellent manager & obviously spending money as helped along the way, it was only a matter of time by the law of averages that they’d get it right just took them awhile tinkering.

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