Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

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Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by DomBFC1882 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:09 pm

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Zlatan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:10 pm

Which is it? Why or why what?

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:13 pm

Dyche certainly has his favourites.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm

Wood and Jay were on fire last year, not sure why with the direct style we play, you wouldn't start your best header of the ball 🤷🏻‍♂️

As soon as Barmes starts, you can predict the style and tactics and it's been very ineffective thus far.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm

I would have thought the answer to that was obvious. Short memories.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm

Why or (oh) why do we always have to have a negative thread about a player?
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by KateR » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm

Basher Barnes seems about back to his best for me :)

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm
Why or (oh) why do we always have to have a negative thread about a player?
I don't read it that way. It's negative about our tactics not the individual.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm

You used to at the front of the queue when players like Edgar, Jensen, Eagles, McDonald and Stanilas used to play for us
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm

Jayrod is a better footballer than Barnes and, in my opinion, should start every game before him. We simply play better football when Jayrod is in he team. But, Dyche prefers Barnes for some reason.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
You used to at the front of the queue when players like Edgar, Jensen, Eagles, McDonald and Stanilas used to play for us
I don't think you will find any evidence of that. I am absolutely certain I have never started a thread criticising a player although I will reserve the right to make critical comment after a poor performance.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm

Hes good at winning a freekick

Other than that hes championshio standard and id much prefer jay or vyds with pace

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
I don't read it that way. It's negative about our tactics not the individual.
In that case, even more so. Nothing wrong with the way we tried to play tonight.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm

KateR wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
Basher Barnes seems about back to his best for me :)
At this level we need a bit more than fouling and elbowing people in the face unfortunately.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm
I don't think you will find any evidence of that. I am absolutely certain I have never started a thread criticising a player although I will reserve the right to make critical comment after a poor performance.
Maybe not but youve happily joined in

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Pad1951 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm

He starts because of his nuisance value as well as his ability.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Zlatan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
Jayrod is a better footballer than Barnes and, in my opinion, should start every game before him. We simply play better football when Jayrod is in he team. But, Dyche prefers Barnes for some reason.
I agree that Jay Rod is a better baller, but Dyche plays percentages and Barnes is better for us winning second balls from the long pass out from the back. It’s as simple as that.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm

Gary Neville is talking sense as usual
Another week and Tarkowski header goes in and game over
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm
In that case, even more so. Nothing wrong with the way we tried to play tonight.
True, but we didn't score - again.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by superdimitri » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Barnes always takes some time to get in form after an injury.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm
I would have thought the answer to that was obvious. Short memories.
What about Jay's performances the 2nd half of last season? He did more than enough to warrant keeping the shirt.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Far better footballing team with Jay Rod in the starting 11.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by KateR » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm
At this level we need a bit more than fouling and elbowing people in the face unfortunately.
you're not really very good at mind reading yet are you, but if moaning helps you get through your day, don't let the likes of me stop you.

He's been Basher Barnes to me for a few seasons.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm

When Jayrod plays we don't play as many long balls out from the back, he is a much better link up player than Barnes. I prefer football to someone winning second balls.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm

Thought Barnes and Wood were outstanding tonight. Targeted the useless Alderweireld in the air (sadly he is brilliant on the deck). Wood held up the ball so many times. Barnes buzzed around him. Let’s not forget Spurs had two holding midfielders and four solid defenders, so hard for our attackers to find space. I felt Jay and Vyds wouldn’t have had a sniff.

The weakness tonight was on the left - nowhere near as good as we are used to.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm
What about Jay's performances the 2nd half of last season? He did more than enough to warrant keeping the shirt.
He did keep the shirt. He started the first game of the season but picked up an injury.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm
True, but we didn't score - again.
No we didn't but I'm not sure that corresponds in any way at all with this thread title.

We've had a hell of a lot of good results when Wood & Barnes have played together and they've scored a lot of goals between them too when they've both been on the pitch.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm
He did keep the shirt. He started the first game of the season but picked up an injury.
So what has Barnes done to warrant waltzing straight back in? Jay will have to work his nuts off now to get his place back. One rule for his favourites another for others.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 pm

He does a job but Christ it’s hard work. We look a far better team with Jay up top.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:32 pm

Sean Dyche " Barnsey was excellent tonight, in fact I thought both the front two were "

That's why he starts.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:32 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm
So what has Barnes done to warrant waltzing straight back in? Jay will have to work his nuts off now to get his place back. One rule for his favourites another for others.
Barnes didn't waltz back in, what are you on about? Jay should have to work his nuts off to get his place back, surely that's a good thing.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm

Vydra and Jay both deserve to start in front of Barnes
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by warksclaret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm

Have not got a problem him starting after all Jay was injured, and with Dyche you have to win the shirt back.The one thing with SD though he leaves the subs too late. Jay should have got 30 minutes as Wood and Barnes were living off scraps

What worries me more is that we get a lot of free kicks (largely through Barnes) in dangerous positions and we have not got a player who can hit it a deadly free kick on target. When did we last score directly from a free kick

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm
What about Jay's performances the 2nd half of last season? He did more than enough to warrant keeping the shirt.
Him and vyds

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm

Barnes played because we don't have much of the ball - he wins free kicks and enables us to get set pieces - pretty basic

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 pm
He does a job but Christ it’s hard work. We look a far better team with Jay up top.
Jay won 2 corners in first 5 minutes on the pitch playing out wide, more than Barnes did all game
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Him and vyds
Well said Wellsy1882

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Barnes played because we don't have much of the ball - he wins free kicks and enables us to get set pieces - pretty basic
That is about right. I think

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:32 pm
Barnes didn't waltz back in, what are you on about? Jay should have to work his nuts off to get his place back, surely that's a good thing.
As soon as he was fit he was straight in, so predictable.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 pm

Championship striker
Premiership. Not good enough

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm
No we didn't but I'm not sure that corresponds in any way at all with this thread title.

We've had a hell of a lot of good results when Wood & Barnes have played together and they've scored a lot of goals between them too when they've both been on the pitch.
True, had you left Barnes out & put vydra or jay in place & still blanked you would be asking the same question in reverse, dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:39 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Have not got a problem him starting after all Jay was injured, and with Dyche you have to win the shirt back.The one thing with SD though he leaves the subs too late. Jay should have got 30 minutes as Wood and Barnes were living off scraps

What worries me more is that we get a lot of free kicks (largely through Barnes) in dangerous positions and we have not got a player who can hit it a deadly free kick on target. When did we last score directly from a free kick
I disagree. I was having this conversation with my brothers and I suggested bringing Jay on at around the 60 min mark. But we then had a really good 10/15 minute spell where we were well on top, culminating in Tarks' chance which was cleared off the line. They then scored quite out of the blue a couple of minutes later. It's easy to look back and say we should have made the change earlier but I don't think doing so when we were on top would have been the right move.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 pm
As soon as he was fit he was straight in, so predictable.
Well yes. He was straight back in because Rodriguez was injured.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by bf2k » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 pm

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Because players hate playing against him. But for him to be successful he needs good service and support.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:41 pm

the way we set out to play, Barnes when fully fit does a remarkable job. I thought the same prior to promotion, and think the same now.
He is far more than nuisance value. Given time his goals will come. Also, he does so much more on the pitch when those around him are doing their job properly.
People talk of our solid defence, and lack of quality in attack. How about the sloppy defending against Son, it happened more than a few times even before he scored. Why single Barnes out as a weak link ?

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by NewClaret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 pm

Can see both sides of this argument.

Barnes is effective. Feel he works the back four hard. Physical and gets in to the channels. Last few weeks has brought good saves from the keeper and looked a bigger threat than Wood. Scored his (offside) goal.

Think we look far more sophisticated with JRod in the team and love him generally. Wonder if we’d have won with him on the end of a few of those long range chances.

Don’t mind Dyche starting Barnes but think JRod deserves more than 10 minutes.
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:49 pm

Best I’ve seen us play this season but not happy with Dyche not getting Jay on earlier . Game as Wood and Barnes are JR is a far better option for snatching a goal in a close game . Wood at times looks almost devoid of anything but brawn

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:58 pm

As a Barnes fan, I still think Rodders should be starting.

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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by Guller Bull » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:07 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 pm
Can see both sides of this argument.

Barnes is effective. Feel he works the back four hard. Physical and gets in to the channels. Last few weeks has brought good saves from the keeper and looked a bigger threat than Wood. Scored his (offside) goal.

Think we look far more sophisticated with JRod in the team and love him generally. Wonder if we’d have won with him on the end of a few of those long range chances.

Don’t mind Dyche starting Barnes but think JRod deserves more than 10 minutes.
Stop it now with the sensible!

No room for that!
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Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:15 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:39 pm
I disagree. I was having this conversation with my brothers and I suggested bringing Jay on at around the 60 min mark. But we then had a really good 10/15 minute spell where we were well on top, culminating in Tarks' chance which was cleared off the line. They then scored quite out of the blue a couple of minutes later. It's easy to look back and say we should have made the change earlier but I don't think doing so when we were on top would have been the right move.
I thought exactly same. Thought at 65 was time for jay. But equally didn’t think we could justify bringing either of the front men off.

That said Barnes does has his limitations.

Although his offside left foot finish suggests otherwise.

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