Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:09 pm
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/
Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50654
Page 1 of 2
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:10 pm
Which is it? Why or why what?
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:13 pm
Dyche certainly has his favourites.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm
Wood and Jay were on fire last year, not sure why with the direct style we play, you wouldn't start your best header of the ball 
As soon as Barmes starts, you can predict the style and tactics and it's been very ineffective thus far.
As soon as Barmes starts, you can predict the style and tactics and it's been very ineffective thus far.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm
I would have thought the answer to that was obvious. Short memories.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pm
Why or (oh) why do we always have to have a negative thread about a player?
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
Basher Barnes seems about back to his best for me 
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
I don't read it that way. It's negative about our tactics not the individual.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:14 pmWhy or (oh) why do we always have to have a negative thread about a player?
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
You used to at the front of the queue when players like Edgar, Jensen, Eagles, McDonald and Stanilas used to play for us
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pm
Jayrod is a better footballer than Barnes and, in my opinion, should start every game before him. We simply play better football when Jayrod is in he team. But, Dyche prefers Barnes for some reason.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm
I don't think you will find any evidence of that. I am absolutely certain I have never started a thread criticising a player although I will reserve the right to make critical comment after a poor performance.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pmYou used to at the front of the queue when players like Edgar, Jensen, Eagles, McDonald and Stanilas used to play for us
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm
Hes good at winning a freekick
Other than that hes championshio standard and id much prefer jay or vyds with pace
Other than that hes championshio standard and id much prefer jay or vyds with pace
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pm
In that case, even more so. Nothing wrong with the way we tried to play tonight.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pmI don't read it that way. It's negative about our tactics not the individual.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm
Maybe not but youve happily joined inClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pmI don't think you will find any evidence of that. I am absolutely certain I have never started a thread criticising a player although I will reserve the right to make critical comment after a poor performance.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm
He starts because of his nuisance value as well as his ability.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:19 pm
I agree that Jay Rod is a better baller, but Dyche plays percentages and Barnes is better for us winning second balls from the long pass out from the back. It’s as simple as that.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:16 pmJayrod is a better footballer than Barnes and, in my opinion, should start every game before him. We simply play better football when Jayrod is in he team. But, Dyche prefers Barnes for some reason.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm
Gary Neville is talking sense as usual
Another week and Tarkowski header goes in and game over
Another week and Tarkowski header goes in and game over
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm
True, but we didn't score - again.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:18 pmIn that case, even more so. Nothing wrong with the way we tried to play tonight.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm
Barnes always takes some time to get in form after an injury.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:22 pm
Far better footballing team with Jay Rod in the starting 11.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm
you're not really very good at mind reading yet are you, but if moaning helps you get through your day, don't let the likes of me stop you.
He's been Basher Barnes to me for a few seasons.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm
When Jayrod plays we don't play as many long balls out from the back, he is a much better link up player than Barnes. I prefer football to someone winning second balls.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm
Thought Barnes and Wood were outstanding tonight. Targeted the useless Alderweireld in the air (sadly he is brilliant on the deck). Wood held up the ball so many times. Barnes buzzed around him. Let’s not forget Spurs had two holding midfielders and four solid defenders, so hard for our attackers to find space. I felt Jay and Vyds wouldn’t have had a sniff.
The weakness tonight was on the left - nowhere near as good as we are used to.
The weakness tonight was on the left - nowhere near as good as we are used to.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm
No we didn't but I'm not sure that corresponds in any way at all with this thread title.
We've had a hell of a lot of good results when Wood & Barnes have played together and they've scored a lot of goals between them too when they've both been on the pitch.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm
So what has Barnes done to warrant waltzing straight back in? Jay will have to work his nuts off now to get his place back. One rule for his favourites another for others.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 pm
He does a job but Christ it’s hard work. We look a far better team with Jay up top.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:32 pm
Sean Dyche " Barnsey was excellent tonight, in fact I thought both the front two were "
That's why he starts.
That's why he starts.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:32 pm
Barnes didn't waltz back in, what are you on about? Jay should have to work his nuts off to get his place back, surely that's a good thing.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Vydra and Jay both deserve to start in front of Barnes
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Have not got a problem him starting after all Jay was injured, and with Dyche you have to win the shirt back.The one thing with SD though he leaves the subs too late. Jay should have got 30 minutes as Wood and Barnes were living off scraps
What worries me more is that we get a lot of free kicks (largely through Barnes) in dangerous positions and we have not got a player who can hit it a deadly free kick on target. When did we last score directly from a free kick
What worries me more is that we get a lot of free kicks (largely through Barnes) in dangerous positions and we have not got a player who can hit it a deadly free kick on target. When did we last score directly from a free kick
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Barnes played because we don't have much of the ball - he wins free kicks and enables us to get set pieces - pretty basic
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pm
Jay won 2 corners in first 5 minutes on the pitch playing out wide, more than Barnes did all gameSwizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 pmHe does a job but Christ it’s hard work. We look a far better team with Jay up top.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 pm
Well said Wellsy1882
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 pm
That is about right. I thinkVegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pmBarnes played because we don't have much of the ball - he wins free kicks and enables us to get set pieces - pretty basic
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 pm
Championship striker
Premiership. Not good enough
Premiership. Not good enough
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:37 pm
True, had you left Barnes out & put vydra or jay in place & still blanked you would be asking the same question in reverse, dammed if you do dammed if you don't.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pmNo we didn't but I'm not sure that corresponds in any way at all with this thread title.
We've had a hell of a lot of good results when Wood & Barnes have played together and they've scored a lot of goals between them too when they've both been on the pitch.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:39 pm
I disagree. I was having this conversation with my brothers and I suggested bringing Jay on at around the 60 min mark. But we then had a really good 10/15 minute spell where we were well on top, culminating in Tarks' chance which was cleared off the line. They then scored quite out of the blue a couple of minutes later. It's easy to look back and say we should have made the change earlier but I don't think doing so when we were on top would have been the right move.warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:33 pmHave not got a problem him starting after all Jay was injured, and with Dyche you have to win the shirt back.The one thing with SD though he leaves the subs too late. Jay should have got 30 minutes as Wood and Barnes were living off scraps
What worries me more is that we get a lot of free kicks (largely through Barnes) in dangerous positions and we have not got a player who can hit it a deadly free kick on target. When did we last score directly from a free kick
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 pm
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:40 pm
Because players hate playing against him. But for him to be successful he needs good service and support.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:41 pm
the way we set out to play, Barnes when fully fit does a remarkable job. I thought the same prior to promotion, and think the same now.
He is far more than nuisance value. Given time his goals will come. Also, he does so much more on the pitch when those around him are doing their job properly.
People talk of our solid defence, and lack of quality in attack. How about the sloppy defending against Son, it happened more than a few times even before he scored. Why single Barnes out as a weak link ?
He is far more than nuisance value. Given time his goals will come. Also, he does so much more on the pitch when those around him are doing their job properly.
People talk of our solid defence, and lack of quality in attack. How about the sloppy defending against Son, it happened more than a few times even before he scored. Why single Barnes out as a weak link ?
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 pm
Can see both sides of this argument.
Barnes is effective. Feel he works the back four hard. Physical and gets in to the channels. Last few weeks has brought good saves from the keeper and looked a bigger threat than Wood. Scored his (offside) goal.
Think we look far more sophisticated with JRod in the team and love him generally. Wonder if we’d have won with him on the end of a few of those long range chances.
Don’t mind Dyche starting Barnes but think JRod deserves more than 10 minutes.
Barnes is effective. Feel he works the back four hard. Physical and gets in to the channels. Last few weeks has brought good saves from the keeper and looked a bigger threat than Wood. Scored his (offside) goal.
Think we look far more sophisticated with JRod in the team and love him generally. Wonder if we’d have won with him on the end of a few of those long range chances.
Don’t mind Dyche starting Barnes but think JRod deserves more than 10 minutes.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:49 pm
Best I’ve seen us play this season but not happy with Dyche not getting Jay on earlier . Game as Wood and Barnes are JR is a far better option for snatching a goal in a close game . Wood at times looks almost devoid of anything but brawn
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:58 pm
As a Barnes fan, I still think Rodders should be starting.
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:07 pm
Stop it now with the sensible!NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 pmCan see both sides of this argument.
Barnes is effective. Feel he works the back four hard. Physical and gets in to the channels. Last few weeks has brought good saves from the keeper and looked a bigger threat than Wood. Scored his (offside) goal.
Think we look far more sophisticated with JRod in the team and love him generally. Wonder if we’d have won with him on the end of a few of those long range chances.
Don’t mind Dyche starting Barnes but think JRod deserves more than 10 minutes.
No room for that!
Re: Why or why does Ashley Barnes start???
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:15 pm
I thought exactly same. Thought at 65 was time for jay. But equally didn’t think we could justify bringing either of the front men off.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:39 pmI disagree. I was having this conversation with my brothers and I suggested bringing Jay on at around the 60 min mark. But we then had a really good 10/15 minute spell where we were well on top, culminating in Tarks' chance which was cleared off the line. They then scored quite out of the blue a couple of minutes later. It's easy to look back and say we should have made the change earlier but I don't think doing so when we were on top would have been the right move.
That said Barnes does has his limitations.
Although his offside left foot finish suggests otherwise.