Three week total NATIONAL lockdown before it's too late?

[Heathclaret]

Although I understand that the government has to accept some blame for the “ shambles “,the people must also accept their own responsibilities and abide by the rules.

Unfortunately many haven’t, some even refuse to accept the virus of being real.

The government can only do so much, it’s a shame that common sense is an oxymoron.

China’s economy grew by over 4% in latest figures, perhaps the populace do as they are told.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Yep. We share the country with some absolute morons.

[FactualFrank]

A blind man galloping on a horse could see that the tiered approach wouldn’t work, especially given the general disengagement of the nation due to the government’s incompetent handling of the entire situation.

I do think the Tier system can work - but the tiers need to be tweaked and they need to be enforced sooner. Leeds for example should have been Tier 3 when Liverpool went into it.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I do think the Tier system can work - but the tiers need to be tweaked and they need to be enforced sooner. Leeds for example should have been Tier 3 when Liverpool went into it.

Need to take the option away completely for people to travel to another tier for a pi$$ up for example.

[CombatClaret]

It's clear someone in govt still doesn’t get what exponential growth means. Waiting 5 days between a cowardly leak to the press & announcement will increase deaths by ~20% (growth rate of 4%) in four weeks time, meaning thousands of lives.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yep. We share the country with some absolute morons.

As well as being run by some.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Maybe he’ll start calling Starmer “Captain Foresight”?

[ClaretAL]

The thing is, a "lock down" in the uk is nothing like a lock down in countries where it has been successful. Here in the UK key workers continue to work. A key worker is defined as essential to keep the country running, emergency services, super markets etc. But then also classed as key workers are those that support an essential service, which every business that wants to can claim they are, from PPE manudactuers, to the businesses that supply the PPE manufacturers materials, to budinesses that provide the goods to the businesses that create the materials, to the service engineers keeping the equipment going and deliver drivers and so on. That's one example. Just on PPE, now times that by hundreds for the suppliers to the food and supermarkets industry, and you have over half the country still working every day, so a lock down is really a curfew in this country.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Government ignored the SAGE advice of a two week lockdown over October half term, so will now have to implement a four week lockdown throughout all of November.
When will this government learn.

Bumbling Doris and his dunderheads are incapable of learning anything throughout this pandemic. It was a golden opportunity to optimise on the school break and curtail the virus spreading to give the NHS a chance over winter. Just as in March our leaders have let the country down by being behind the curve.

[ksrclaret]

Opening up the nightingales won’t work until you have the staff. With self isolating due to exposure or sickness staff levels are already at a minimum. Getting doctors and nurses out of retirement won’t work because many see themselves as vulnerable. To staff a 20 bedded icu you need about 80 nurses and 20 doctors. Not to mention physios, dieticians etc.

What patients do we use the nightingales for?

Covid patients who need icu are very sick and often in multi organ failure so not appropriate. Surgical patients need a theatre which the nightingales don’t have.

At a push you could put all the elderly patients in the nightingales who will not be taken to icu if they get worse. But I can see the headlines now if you did that.

Well it’s all academic anyway, sounds like we’re heading for another full blown national lockdown. Hospital wards will probably quieten down for a bit, whilst people die at home instead. Disappointing but what can you do.

[PeterWilton]

The prime minister should announce the lockdown and then immediately resign.

If anyone else, in any job, in any industry, had made wrong decision after wrong decision the way Johnson has in handling this they'd have either resigned or been fired. He's consistently ignored Sage's warnings and recommendations until implementing them was too late which has led to the need for another lockdown, probably longer than the first.

He's a complete ******* failure.

[PeterWilton]

I cannot understand why there is no ill feeling against China. We are all blaming our various governments but the real villains are China. It started in China and they were happy for it to spread worldwide. I have my own theory but no absolute proof as to whether it was accidental or deliberate but either way China had everything to gain and nothing to lose

Because that just wouldn't make sense. We're talking about a brand new virus that was spreading in winter and presents similar to the flu. China had no chance of preventing it from leaving their borders any more than we would have had.

Blaming China is political propaganda.


Anyway, I really hope your daughter recovers. You said she has 3 kids. How are they doing? How are you doing?

[kentonclaret]

"He's a complete ******* failure"

Many of the people that knew Boris best were telling us that before the General Election.

Sadly, too few listened.