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National Tier 4

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:29 pm

Robert Peston on twitter, I would assume he has a good source inside No10.

These are the measures to be announced by the PM at 5, as I understand it. They will last until 2 December. And they are, In effect, a new “Tier 4” that will be imposed for a month initially to the whole of England.

1) All pubs and restaurants to close, though takeaways and deliveries will be permitted.
2) All non-essential retail to close, though supermarkets won't have to follow the Welsh example of fencing off non-essential goods.
3) There will be no mixing of people inside homes, except for childcare and other forms of support.
4) Manufacturing and construction will be encouraged to keep going. 4) Outbound international travel will be banned, except for work.
5) Travel within the UK will be discouraged, except for work.
6) Overnight stays away from home will be allowed only for work purposes
7) Courts, schools, and universities will remain open. 8) Outdoor exercise and recreation will be encouraged.
9) Private prayer will continue in places of worship, but not services.

It all starts at one second past midnight on Thursday. The regulations will be published in Tuesday, and MPs will vote on them on Wednesday. One source told me to consider the regulations as a Tier 4 for the whole of England. After 2 December, the exit strategy is that different parts of the country will then have their local economies and behavior governed by the existing Tiers, namely Tiers 1 to 3, depending on how serious the virus is in these respective places.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by clarethomer » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:32 pm

There is me hoping there was going to be a suspension of football too.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by bobinho » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:32 pm

Number 9 is a joke surely?

A blind man on a galloping horse can see that being properly abused.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by bobinho » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:32 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:32 pm
There is me hoping there was going to be a suspension of football too.
Backdated 75 minutes?
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by clarethomer » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:35 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:32 pm
Backdated 75 minutes?
Now you mention it..

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by burnley007 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:38 pm

Doesn't really say much.
More huff and puff, with no real meat.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:40 pm

Ah announced by the press again before he address the nation. Absolute sham of a government
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:41 pm

Key questions for me will be what support packages are put in place for people and businesses and are the Govt going utilise the time to get a fully functioning track and trace system in place supported by some very clear rules and guidance for how we come out of lockdown and live alongside this virus

My worry is that even if the govt managed to do the above really well we have too many people who think they know best and wont follow the advice and the rules to make it work anyway
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:41 pm

Wales- non essential items.

Kettles, kids pyjamas, pillows, duvets , bedding.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by ian » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:42 pm

Won't make any difference if schools don't close.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Vintage Claret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:43 pm

Just in the nick of time :roll:

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:43 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:38 pm
Doesn't really say much.
More huff and puff, with no real meat.
The only big change is restaurants and retail. There's enough holes it it people will use their own 'common sense' to do whatever the F they like.
But at least it denies them popular places to do that, sad for the people who work in them but it's needed.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Grumps » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:41 pm
Key questions for me will be what support packages are put in place for people and businesses and are the Govt going utilise the time to get a fully functioning track and trace system in place supported by some very clear rules and guidance for how we come out of lockdown and live alongside this virus

My worry is that even if the govt managed to do the above really well we have too many people who think they know best and wont follow the advice and the rules to make it work anyway
Xmas will just put back any good this lockdown does

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:44 pm

Given Peston's performance during the pandemic I think I'll wait for the official gov statement.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:45 pm

Remember, every MP, public sector pen pusher , white hall civil servant and politician in the various assemblies has been on 100% pay and will continue to be . When theres no economy left to pay for their kept in clover lockdown,, any longer, and they lose their jobs too. Mayybe then will they actually realise lockdowns do not work.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:48 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:40 pm
Ah announced by the press again before he address the nation. Absolute sham of a government
I actually think it’s worth the press being notified beforehand. It gives them opportunity to consider the information and raise questions at the broadcast.

Of all the reasons to call any government a sham, this isn’t one.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:50 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:48 pm
I actually think it’s worth the press being notified beforehand. It gives them opportunity to consider the information and raise questions at the broadcast.

Of all the reasons to call any government a sham, this isn’t one.
Disagree, utter sham. Any journalist worth their salt can consider what questions to ask whilst he’s giving the announcement.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:50 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:45 pm
Remember, every MP, public sector pen pusher , white hall civil servant and politician in the various assemblies has been on 100% pay and will continue to be . When theres no economy left to pay for their kept in clover lockdown,, any longer, and they lose their jobs too. Mayybe then will they actually realise lockdowns do not work.
It’s not that lockdowns don’t work, it’s that there are impacts of them, which we are all well aware of.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:50 pm
Disagree, utter sham. Any journalist worth their salt can consider what questions to ask whilst he’s giving the announcement.
In what way is it a sham, in the true sense of the word?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:57 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:50 pm
It’s not that lockdowns don’t work, it’s that there are impacts of them, which we are all well aware of.
Agree.

The first lockdown was to save the NHS. Literally hundreds of 1000s of cancelled treatment, operations, screening, cancelled. 10s of thousands dying at home, suicide and depression going through the roof, a cancer time bomb waiting to explode, the NHS isn't saving us.

There are currently no excess deaths compared to the average of the past 10 years

Another lockdown will only exacerbate an already seriously dire situation.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Spijed » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:57 pm
Agree.

The first lockdown was to save the NHS. Literally hundreds of 1000s of cancelled treatment, operations, screening, cancelled. 10s of thousands dying at home, suicide and depression going through the roof, a cancer time bomb waiting to explode, the NHS isn't saving us.

There are currently no excess deaths compared to the average of the past 10 years

Another lockdown will only exacerbate an already seriously dire situation.
But isn't the fear that some people will struggle to get a hospital bed if we don't take some immediate measures?

We don't want to hear about people being told they can't go to hospital because it's full.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:01 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 pm
But isn't the fear that some people will struggle to get a hospital bed if we don't take some immediate measures?

We don't want to hear about people being told they can't go to hospital because it's full.
That’s my understanding of it.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:02 pm

Perhaps Boris should have announced this on Monday. You'll get absolute twunts going out and spreading it as much as they possibly can over the weekend now.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:03 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:52 pm
In what way is it a sham, in the true sense of the word?
Soz mate. Shambles.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:10 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 pm
But isn't the fear that some people will struggle to get a hospital bed if we don't take some immediate measures?

We don't want to hear about people being told they can't go to hospital because it's full.
I've got 3 close family members .

1, terminally I'll lady , 77, should have had a scan to see how much more its spread. Cancelled

2, 52 year old female, should have had a mammogram in June as shes in a high risk group. Cancelled

3, 22 year old male found lump in testicle. No face to face appointment, just a video call after waiting for 5 weeks. Prescribed ointment. Since found second lump.

If they started clapping for the NHS again , sorry I wouldn't join in . And my daughter works for it.

It's no longer the NHS it's the Covid HS.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:11 pm

A national crisis looms

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:13 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:10 pm
I've got 3 close family members .

1, terminally I'll lady , 77, should have had a scan to see how much more its spread. Cancelled

2, 52 year old female, should have had a mammogram in June as shes in a high risk group. Cancelled

3, 22 year old male found lump in testicle. No face to face appointment, just a video call after waiting for 5 weeks. Prescribed ointment. Since found second lump.

If they started clapping for the NHS again , sorry I wouldn't join in . And my daughter works for it.

It's no longer the NHS it's the Covid HS.
So you wouldn’t clap for the healthcare workers risking their lives to save other people, healthcare workers who have been hung out to dry due to the massive mishandling of the pandemic by the government.

Tells us all we need to know about you.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:17 pm

Why won’t they tell us the Flu deaths ? This will give the public the information they need

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:13 pm
So you wouldn’t clap for the healthcare workers risking their lives to save other people, healthcare workers who have been hung out to dry due to the massive mishandling of the pandemic by the government.

Tells us all we need to know about you.
The government hasn't been cancelling appointments. Public health Englands role has been p*** poor. Has have the decision making of NHS managers. My daughter will tell you her entire case load was cancelled due to covid and was measured up for PPE to be an extra pair of hands on the ward . The ward that turned out to be empty. The hospital was deserted and the decision to cancel seriously ill patients appointments, treatments and examinations and diagnosis will cost thousands of lives.

Stop the emotional blackmail stuff with the "risking their lives" stuff. My mate is a Male nurse at Blackburn Royal, contracted it and was close to death with it. Thankfully he's partially recovering and back home. His mum in her late 70s, has skin cancer and has had operation cancelled.

I'm sorry, I wouldnt clap for an NHS that we were supposed to be saving, its stopped saving us.

I'm against the government's plans for a 2nd lockdown.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:10 pm
I've got 3 close family members .

1, terminally I'll lady , 77, should have had a scan to see how much more its spread. Cancelled

2, 52 year old female, should have had a mammogram in June as shes in a high risk group. Cancelled

3, 22 year old male found lump in testicle. No face to face appointment, just a video call after waiting for 5 weeks. Prescribed ointment. Since found second lump.

If they started clapping for the NHS again , sorry I wouldn't join in . And my daughter works for it.

It's no longer the NHS it's the Covid HS.
You’re pathetic.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:45 pm
Remember, every MP, public sector pen pusher , white hall civil servant and politician in the various assemblies has been on 100% pay and will continue to be . When theres no economy left to pay for their kept in clover lockdown,, any longer, and they lose their jobs too. Mayybe then will they actually realise lockdowns do not work.
Couldn’t agree more with you there Ringo.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:25 pm

I predict that flu deaths will low, given that those at most risk will be self-isolating and then you add in social-distancing, mask wearing and increased hand hygiene.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:26 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm
You’re pathetic.
You're entitled to your opinion.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:26 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm
You’re pathetic.
Ignore him. It's what I do. I only see his name when someone quotes him.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:28 pm

Flu deaths are being reclassified as Covid
Shutting down the economy for the Flu . Madness !
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:29 pm

Yeah, right. You say anything to suit your own agenda on here.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:41 pm
Wales- non essential items.

Kettles, kids pyjamas, pillows, duvets , bedding.
Surely even the Welsh have the internet don’t they ?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:31 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:29 pm
Yeah, right. You say anything to suit your own agenda on here.
It’s a pathetic lie.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:37 pm

Flu deaths will be low Billy, they will be Covid deaths. The same people dying , whether they self isolate, wear masks , wash hands.
Winter kills!

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:38 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:31 pm
Surely even the Welsh have the internet don’t they ?
Steam powered I believe.

All joking apart , First Minister for Wales, the Labour Party's Mark Drakeford has previously banged on about multi nationals not paying their fair share of tax and the Tories letting them off the hook.

Yet I lost count of Welsh folk coming on the radio, last week, saying they couldn't buy basic household items thanks to the over bearing rules of Welsh Labour and ended up getting what they needed on Amazon! Labour hypocrit, Drakefords played right into their hands.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm

This board is becoming almost unbearable to be on these days.

Just full of idiots. yes the whole world is in lockdown because it’s a hoax and we should all just carry on as normal.

I suggest the likes of Ringo and Elizabeth actually read up instead of spouting complete nonsense.
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Longsider » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm

Key workers like teachers, NHS and supermarket workers are really on the front line while the rest of us work from home. These professions should be paid danger money. Imagine being a teacher and being in daily close contact with hundreds of super seeding children.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:43 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm
The government hasn't been cancelling appointments. Public health Englands role has been p*** poor. Has have the decision making of NHS managers. My daughter will tell you her entire case load was cancelled due to covid and was measured up for PPE to be an extra pair of hands on the ward . The ward that turned out to be empty. The hospital was deserted and the decision to cancel seriously ill patients appointments, treatments and examinations and diagnosis will cost thousands of lives.

Stop the emotional blackmail stuff with the "risking their lives" stuff. My mate is a Male nurse at Blackburn Royal, contracted it and was close to death with it. Thankfully he's partially recovering and back home. His mum in her late 70s, has skin cancer and has had operation cancelled.

I'm sorry, I wouldnt clap for an NHS that we were supposed to be saving, its stopped saving us.

I'm against the government's plans for a 2nd lockdown.
I’m a very senior manager at Royal Blackburn Hospital and whilst I share your frustrations with what has happened to you personally you literally have no idea how bad things are, largely due to the fact of the mishandling of the crisis by the government.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:44 pm

I know it will be difficult for all the social do gooders out there
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Re: National Tier 4

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:46 pm

Longsider wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm
Key workers like teachers, NHS and supermarket workers are really on the front line while the rest of us work from home. These professions should be paid danger money. Imagine being a teacher and being in daily close contact with hundreds of super seeding children.
I’m a teacher and I don’t want any danger money. I just want to do my job properly. I realise I’m a younger one and that some older ones are more fearful, but you go into teaching to help people and you can’t do that from behind a computer screen.

I see the union are at it again though trying to shut the schools. They are a disgrace.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:47 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm
This board is becoming almost unbearable to be on these days.
Just full of idiots. yes the whole world is in lockdown because it’s a hoax and we should all just carry on as normal.
I suggest the likes of Ringo and Elizabeth actually read up instead of spouting complete nonsense.
There are half a dozen or so regular and vocal full on alt-right posters on this board. They know what they are doing and are they are using this forum as a means to propagandize their dangerous and fringe views.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:48 pm

Can someone tell me how much hospitals get paid for a Covid death instead of a Flu death?

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:48 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:40 pm
This board is becoming almost unbearable to be on these days.

Just full of idiots. yes the whole world is in lockdown because it’s a hoax and we should all just carry on as normal.

I suggest the likes of Ringo and Elizabeth actually read up instead of spouting complete nonsense.
Where have I said it's a hoax?

In a nutshell I've said

1, the NHS, and Public Health England have made what will turn out to be decisions that will, tragically, cost lives.

2, lockdowns dont work, they simply delay the inevitable and trash the economy that wont be there to pick up the bill for it.

The virus is real. However we know more about it now. We should isolate the vulnerable, learn to live with it using common sense and practical measures we can all do to protect each other. Treat the population like adults. Let the young at least try and make a start at rebooting their already precarious future's and restsrt the economy before it's too late.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:50 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:46 pm
I’m a teacher and I don’t want any danger money. I just want to do my job properly. I realise I’m a younger one and that some older ones are more fearful, but you go into teaching to help people and you can’t do that from behind a computer screen.

I see the union are at it again though trying to shut the schools. They are a disgrace.
Education, particularly secondary schools and unis, are super spreader environments. It’s got to be looked at how we can educate people differently. If there is no viable alternative then keep them open but HAS to be looked at.

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Re: National Tier 4

Post by DCWat » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:50 pm

I’ve tried three times now to book a flu jab. I’ve never had one before though have been offered them as I have asthma.

The doctors and pharmacies around us have no stock.

Locked