National Tier 4

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:03 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:53 pm
How much of the new academic year has been lost to pupils, since returning, do you think, KS?

I’m guessing that the impact on pupils (reduced lesson time, support, online learning, etc.) must be significant.

Presumably the impact of the last 8 months (and more) will have a long term impact on many children.

Quite a bit of the year has been lost already. Every time a student tests positive they and their close contacts in school are required to isolate at home for 10 and 14 days respectively, so that’s a lot of lessons missed. However staff at my college have been inviting those students to live lessons on teams whilst the teacher delivers the lesson to students present. It’s far from perfect but it’s a hell of an lot better than no college at all for those kids.

The impact on missing 6 months of schooling this year is hugely significant. I read something from a teacher the other day which suggested that year 7 students are some 22 months behind the year 7 students of last year. Absolutely terrifying when you consider the gap between the richest and poorest kids is already massive.

The new Y12 students I’ve taken on this year show much less of an impact compared with that, but you could tell straight away that they’re some way behind where I would have expected Y12 students to be when entering college.

As ever, the long term damage will be to the kids who are from the poorest backgrounds, and in particular the younger ones.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:04 pm

Do you honestly think that I am going to read conhome (whatever that is) when I only read the political sh!te on here when I'm ****** off after another crap Burnley loss at home.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:07 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:46 pm
I’m a teacher and I don’t want any danger money. I just want to do my job properly. I realise I’m a younger one and that some older ones are more fearful, but you go into teaching to help people and you can’t do that from behind a computer screen.

I see the union are at it again though trying to shut the schools. They are a disgrace.

Maybe it should be a consideration that the appointed unions are representing their members regarding health & safety & minimising the exposure, if you are younger is it not possible to relate to the concerns the older colleagues might be facing or is it I’m alright jack, I’d personally be applauding the unions for trying to look after your welfare!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:11 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:07 pm
Maybe it should be a consideration that the appointed unions are representing their members regarding health & safety & minimising the exposure, if you are younger is it not possible to relate to the concerns the older colleagues might be facing or is it I’m alright jack, I’d personally be applauding the unions for trying to look after your welfare!

If it was about me being alright I’d be happy enough at home, fire up the computer for a few hours to deliver a few lessons, then feet up on full pay.

As it is I’m trying to think about what’s best for my students, and it certainly isn’t that. The last lockdown proved that categorically. I’ve already explained what can be done for teachers who are older and more vulnerable. It’s been happening since September.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:13 pm

Answers to questions could be interesting.

Why do we need 4 weeks now when we only needed 2 a month ago according to Sage?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:11 pm
If it was about me being alright I’d be happy enough at home, fire up the computer for a few hours to deliver a few lessons, then feet up on full pay.

As it is I’m trying to think about what’s best for my students, and it certainly isn’t that. The last lockdown proved that categorically. I’ve already explained what can be done for teachers who are older and more vulnerable.

If you are thinking about what’s best for your students, maybe the teacher teaching them should try to stay in good health positionally being able to further the learning, if I want to look after my car I try to keep or at least hope my preferred mechanic stays in good health.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:23 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:13 pm
Answers to questions could be interesting.

Why do we need 4 weeks now when we only needed 2 a month ago according to Sage?

I imagine the reason it needs to be (at least) 4 weeks now because we didn't do the 2 week lockdown when they told us to.

Honestly, we deserve everything that happens. This is who we put in charge, and we did it with the knowledge that they try their best not to listen to scientists.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:24 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 pm
If you are thinking about what’s best for your students, maybe the teacher teaching them should try to stay in good health positionally being able to further the learning, if I want to look after my car I try to keep or at least hope my preferred mechanic stays in good health.

The risk to their education of their teacher becoming ill is far, far smaller than the risks they face from not attending schools and colleges at all.

From the teachers perspective, we are doing everything we can to stay safe whilst still delivering high quality lessons. We are required to remain 2m from everybody else at all times. Inevitably this doesn’t happen every single second of the day, but it’s much better than nothing.

lancastrian · Post by **lancastrian** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:24 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 pm
You csnt simply pile all the blame at the door of the government. You cannot. Yes the government will have some questions to answer but. Public Health England have a lot to answer for as have the NHS management. My daughter is a child psychologist in a Yorkshire hospital and she's had nothing to do since her entire caseload was cancelled due to her being lined up as an extra pair of hands, which didnt materialise, thankfully.

You simply cannot ignore what the likes of Karol Sikora have been saying about the ticking cancer time bomb that's been created due to the entire focus of the NHS being on a virus that sadly kills , and each death is a tragedy for the family concerned , a tiny tiny percentage of people whose average age is 82. Which is the average life expectancy anyway.

How many younger people will die due to operations, treatments screenings and appointments being cancelled?

Thank you for your comforting words about people of 82 years of age. I am 82 and don't expect to meet my maker yet. Hopefully you will reach this age someday at which time you will completely change your mind.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:25 pm

PeterWilton wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:23 pm
I imagine the reason it needs to be (at least) 4 weeks now because we didn't do the 2 week lockdown when they told us to.

Honestly, we deserve everything that happens. This is who we put in charge, and we did it with the knowledge that they try their best not to listen to scientists.

Yep that’s the correct answer. How they’ll avoid it will be interesting.

PeterWilton · Post by **PeterWilton** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 pm
If you are thinking about what’s best for your students, maybe the teacher teaching them should try to stay in good health positionally being able to further the learning, if I want to look after my car I try to keep or at least hope my preferred mechanic stays in good health.

I assume, to make your mechanics job easier, that you also try to avoid wrapping your car around a tree.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:28 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:28 pm
Flu deaths are being reclassified as Covid
Shutting down the economy for the Flu . Madness !

Moron

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:29 pm

Ah we are back to being guided by the science according to Johnson. Excellent.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:30 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:24 pm
The risk to their education of their teacher becoming ill is far, far smaller than the risks they face from not attending schools and colleges at all.

From the teachers perspective, we are doing everything we can to stay safe whilst still delivering high quality lessons. We are required to remain 2m from everybody else at all times. Inevitably this doesn’t happen every single second of the day, but it’s much better than nothing.

How can children stopping at home pose greater risks than attending school & mixing with hundreds of other school children? Can every surface in every room & in every corridor be sanitised? Is it possible to ensure that the masks are worn by every single pupil every single second whilst on the school premises.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:30 pm

Just said that the PL is continuing

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:31 pm

Inchy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:28 pm
Moron

Careful Inchy, don’t lower yourself to their standards.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:32 pm

Show me the flu deaths figure and I will be very happy to change my mind

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:34 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:32 pm
Show me the flu deaths figure and I will be very happy to change my mind

Crank

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:36 pm

From you Joey , that had to be the insult of all insults. Maybe you can publish the flu death figures

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:37 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:32 pm
Show me the flu deaths figure and I will be very happy to change my mind

Brain doner alert.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:39 pm

And they go on !

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:40 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:30 pm
How can children stopping at home pose greater risks than attending school & mixing with hundreds of other school children? Can every surface in every room & in every corridor be sanitised? Is it possible to ensure that the masks are worn by every single pupil every single second whilst on the school premises.

I’m not talking about risks from COVID when they stay at home. I’m talking about the risks to their education, to their personal development, to their safety (for some kids).

But everytime a new class comes in desks and equipment are sanitised. Masks are worn by everyone on lesson changer overs. It’s not 100% safe, but then again it never was.

I’m telling you that kids are better off in school than at home during term time, even with the added coronavirus risk. You either accept that or you don’t. Up to you.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:40 pm

Right I’m going to do my best here

Elizabeth- flu season hasn’t even started yet, but the ICUs are already full. They are full of 40,50 and 60 year olds. These people don’t normally die of flu.

Ringo- I agree that stopping all electives in March was a mistake by NHS England. Many wards were quiet during the last lock down. However icu was full.
No wards are quiet now because the NHS is still doing it’s best to do electives and cancer, however electives likes liver transplants are now being cancelled because there are no ICU beds! We need to have a lock down to protect ICU. If you get knocked down by a bus tomorrow and need a icu bed but you couldn’t get one what would you think?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:41 pm

So, so 66% was good enough for the North, but now it's 80% because it's down south.

Keep the Tory cheerleading going lads & lasses and never admit to having buyers remorse.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:42 pm

Ok Inchy .

When is flu season ?
Do no youngish people die of flu?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:43 pm

Also I never got on board with the clapping but saying you won’t clap the NHS because they cancelled electives is like saying you wouldn’t clap Burnley after beating Man Utd 3-0 because Garlick didn’t spend any money

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:44 pm

Inchy, thanks for such an informative post.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:45 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:42 pm
Ok Inchy .

When is flu season ?
Do no youngish people die of flu?

December to March

Hardly any people under 70 end up on ICU with flu. I don’t think I’ve ever looked after one in nearly 10 years.

Covid is different. Leeds ICU is full of overweight men under 70.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:45 pm

Inchy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:43 pm
Also I never got on board with the clapping but saying you won’t clap the NHS because they cancelled electives is like saying you wouldn’t clap Burnley after beating Man Utd 3-0 because Garlick didn’t spend any money

Keep up the good work Inchy! Good luck on educating Elizabeth!

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:45 pm

I decided to lose weight in the first lockdown and lost 4 stones. Other people learnt to play an instrument or develop new skills.

I’m now wondering what challenge I should now set myself for the next 4 weeks. Top of the challenge list is getting into shape, toning up my muscles via increased exercising and using the old mountain bike I bought last week.

Are you going to set a personal challenge and if so what?

Let’s have a positive thread and try to inspire each other.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:46 pm

He'll need it, that's for sure.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:47 pm

Run another 200km to get me to just over 1000 miles of running during Covid. Nearly there.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:47 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:40 pm
I’m not talking about risks from COVID when they stay at home. I’m talking about the risks to their education, to their personal development, to their safety (for some kids).

But everytime a new class comes in desks and equipment are sanitised. Masks are worn by everyone on lesson changer overs. It’s not 100% safe, but then again it never was.

I’m telling you that kids are better off in school than at home during term time, even with the added coronavirus risk. You either accept that or you don’t. Up to you.

In this day & age you can learn everything you need to know on the internet at home with a PC or a tablet, kids will suffer socially but it is what it is, nobody as asked for this virus, nobody wants this virus & nobody needs this virus, if the educational system haven’t designed or created some subject modules or online coursework which can’t be done at home as a temporary measure until all this settles down it’s a sorry state of affairs.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:48 pm

Get my allotment tidy and ready for planting.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:50 pm

Is there a single person think we would be better off if Prime Minister Corbyn was in number 10?

Labour are sitting back criticising but making few positive suggestions.

I’m not a fan of Boris, merely asking if the election vote had gone the other way would things have been better?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:51 pm

I’m fed up of hearing this “my sisters mate works in hospital and says it was quiet in April”

That’s probably because they work in a area where things were cancelled during the last peak. Rightly or wrongly cancelled.

What matter is ventilated beds. We are running out. Both for covid and any poor person else.

A lock down will not stop this virus but it may clear ICU beds meaning if you need a liver transplant you can have it. At the moment there is a fair chance you can’t because you need a icu bed after a liver transplant and there is none

There is nothing worse than a person donating their liver after death but it then gets lobbed in the furnace

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:51 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:47 pm
In this day & age you can learn everything you need to know on the internet at home with a PC or a tablet, kids will suffer socially but it is what it is, nobody as asked for this virus, nobody wants this virus & nobody needs this virus, if the educational system haven’t designed or created some subject modules or online coursework which can’t be done at home as a temporary measure until all this settles down it’s a sorry state of affairs.

Okay, I’m done. I’ve tried to explain things to you. As usual you come back with total nonsense and uninformed misconceptions. Enjoy your evening.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:54 pm

I can educate myself thanks . People die of flu outside the months of December -March. The only time you can say with any certainty flu deaths will be minimal is in the warmer summer months.
People with chronic health issues , poor immune systems and weight problems can die of flu regardless of age.
People can think what they want but whatever it is that is out there is not dangerous enough to cause this unnecessary harm to lives and the economy

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:58 pm

Have we all forgot who give the world this Virus?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:58 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:54 pm
I can educate myself thanks . People die of flu outside the months of December -March. The only time you can say with any certainty flu deaths will be minimal is in the warmer summer months.
People with chronic health issues , poor immune systems and weight problems can die of flu regardless of age.
People can think what they want but whatever it is that is out there is not dangerous enough to wreck lives and the economy

Your first sentence has probably been your problem in life.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:00 pm

That hurt Steve, what’s been your problem?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:54 pm
I can educate myself thanks . People die of flu outside the months of December -March. The only time you can say with any certainty flu deaths will be minimal is in the warmer summer months.
People with chronic health issues , poor immune systems and weight problems can die of flu regardless of age.
People can think what they want but whatever it is that is out there is not dangerous enough to cause this unnecessary harm to lives and the economy

“I can educate myself”

Clearly

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:54 pm
I can educate myself thanks . People die of flu outside the months of December -March. The only time you can say with any certainty flu deaths will be minimal is in the warmer summer months.
People with chronic health issues , poor immune systems and weight problems can die of flu regardless of age.
People can think what they want but whatever it is that is out there is not dangerous enough to cause this unnecessary harm to lives and the economy

Can you give me the figures of how many 40 years olds die of flu or need icu?

Cheers

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

Inchy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:45 pm
December to March

Hardly any people under 70 end up on ICU with flu. I don’t think I’ve ever looked after one in nearly 10 years.

Covid is different. Leeds ICU is full of overweight men under 70.

Confident a fit as ferk 60 year owd like me won't cout it from covid

I always thought it was a desease of the weak minded puds who have spent a life eating shote and abusing the NHS

creepingdeath · Post by **creepingdeath** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:02 pm

Crack one out at least once a day

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:02 pm

Not good enough Inchy until you can categorically produce evidence that what I posted is incorrect

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:02 pm

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:04 pm

How many 40 year olds do you think have died of Covid?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:04 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:02 pm
Not good enough Inchy until you can categorically produce evidence that what I posted is incorrect

Do you believe in the tooth fairy?

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:04 pm

Mr Emoji strikes again