Relegation or takeover ?

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Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:35 pm

I have been quite vocal about not wanting a takeover, Initially when the news broke about ALK and even more so with the news this week. Turned into a classic Poke in the eye or kick in the balls.

Right now I’d happily take a relegation, get wages down again to a manageable level, sort out this stupid staying up bonus we have and rebuild in a few positions. Yes we will lose a few players but I’m confident we can recruit a few better priced players to take us straight back up.

We have always been building a team to win the championship, perhaps staying up has broken the system.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:39 pm

Nonsense. Stay at the top level as long as we can. It's better for the club financially, for the fans, for everyone concerned with the club.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:40 pm

How about instead of wanting relegation and assuming we'll come straight back up, we try to stay up ?
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:48 pm

If you want to drop back into the championship then quite simply you're an idiot.

The PL is the place to be, especially financially and for a club Burnleys size.
The money from the last few season has changed the club for the better and will continue to do so.

Yes I get the championship is considered to be more exciting but every single club in there would swap with us for our 5 season PL run in an instant and without giving it much thought.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:58 pm

The sooner Garlick hands over the better. We won’t be bouncing back again under this board.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:59 pm

seems to be lots of clarets who yearn for the championship, or even lower than that. there is a fascination with "real football, and honesty" which is plainly a myth. the idea that none of the teams are bankrolled by wealthy owners, just pie loving , beer swilling trustworthy men, and all their supporters are decent working class sons of the sod, who know what's what.....utter b******s.
we earned the right to compete in the top league, it took years to climb back to the top. as it stands we are less than useless, but that has occured previously and we have bounced back. true, it might be a big change is required, but if anything can maintain our status, and it happens to be a takeover, so be it.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:02 am

Really made me laugh did that, Wile. I think I’m sometimes guilty of romanticism when it comes to lower league football, but in reality you’re probably right there.

I’ll support us whatever league we’re in though, just as long as this bloody virus sods off and opens the turnstiles on its way out.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:04 am

Most of our times in the lower leagues were absolutely dreadful on the pitch.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:05 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:40 pm
How about instead of wanting relegation and assuming we'll come straight back up, we try to stay up ?
I’m desperate to stay up, but we just can’t afford to finance it each year. The model that I believe we have isn’t based on several years in this league- hence the lack of cash for new players

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:10 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:59 pm
seems to be lots of clarets who yearn for the championship, or even lower than that. there is a fascination with "real football, and honesty" which is plainly a myth. the idea that none of the teams are bankrolled by wealthy owners, just pie loving , beer swilling trustworthy men, and all their supporters are decent working class sons of the sod, who know what's what.....utter b******s.
we earned the right to compete in the top league, it took years to climb back to the top. as it stands we are less than useless, but that has occured previously and we have bounced back. true, it might be a big change is required, but if anything can maintain our status, and it happens to be a takeover, so be it.
My point is that it would serve us well to go down and rebuild. If I didn’t think we would win promotion a year later I wouldn’t suggest it. We have a club capable of winning that league.
Our recruitment budget would suggest this is what we need.

It would also avoid anyone buying the club and ripping the arse out of it.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Right_winger » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:10 am

I don’t get some fans sometimes.

Put it this way I’d rather do a Portsmouth and actually
Compete/win a trophy than just wither away like
We are doing now.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:18 am

Neither

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:22 am

Id like go back down if it meant back up and keeping same squad

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:28 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:10 am
My point is that it would serve us well to go down and rebuild. If I didn’t think we would win promotion a year later I wouldn’t suggest it. We have a club capable of winning that league.
Our recruitment budget would suggest this is what we need.

It would also avoid anyone buying the club and ripping the arse out of it.
So you want us to go down and rebuild?

We can rebuild in the PL.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Quicknick » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:32 am

I fear that if we go down, we won't come back up. Far better to stay up and rebuild in the EPL.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:00 am

What some fans don't get is in the period we have been away from the championship it has moved on financially to a point where we can't cherry pick good players for a couple of million anymore. The wages are out of our price bracket also and that's before we even consider the drop in revenue. We have an aging squad, players who would rightly want to stay in the PL should we go down so would move on at cut down prices (pope, McNeil, tarks) and that's before we address the issues that should have been addressed/kept on top of from the summer of 2018 onwards where we had a real opportunity to attract better players. Anyone who thinks we can drop down and come back again like in 2015 seriously needs a reality check. We must stay in this league at all costs and for those that say we will end up like Wigan, Portsmouth etc regarding the takeover, those clubs are in league one which is where we could end up anyway because we are seriously going backwards.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:16 am

Takeover asap Garlick needs money to get in much needed new blood
Yesterday's performance was shambolic but we were up against a top side assembled at a cost of millions bankrolled by a billionaire
That apart effort costs nothing and the lack of effort by many of our players was worrying
Too many displaced a cba attitude which is disgraceful and they let us , Sean and themselves down.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:54 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:04 am
Most of our times in the lower leagues were absolutely dreadful on the pitch.
Bit like the last 2 years in this league too.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:04 am

Go down and rebuild with Mighty Mike in charge considering the current state of affairs?

Not a cat in hell's chance, that ship sailed around 6 transfer windows ago

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:07 am

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:22 am
Id like go back down if it meant back up and keeping same squad
Please explain ?

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:24 am

Seems like lots of people want to stay up purely for financial reasons. Is football not supposed to be enjoyable at the end of the day? It's been a while since there's been such a feeling of apathy/boredom around the club.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:37 am

My personal preference would be to retain the 'status quo'. We need to hang on in there, which I firmly believe we can. Let these billy big time clubs shoot themselves in the foot and form a European Super League. That will lead to a more level and better league. It may only last a few years until the novelty value wears off any SL and the respective clubs try and come crawling back but I personally thing would br worth it.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Zenwisdom » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:39 am

Not as though we have a choice be careful what you wish for you may get both .
We are punching above our weight but enjoy while it lasts
Football without fans not good people will loose interest .

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by claret2018 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:43 am

It’s clear that we can no longer compete in the PL, if we ever could. It’s only by Dyche’s talent that we’ve stayed up as long as we have, but his magic touch now appears to be wearing off.

For purely selfish reasons, on balance I prefer us not being in the PL. The football is much more exciting to watch when we can dominate teams. More games at 3pm Saturday which is easier for me to attend, more games full stop. The possibility of signing players who can make an impact in the league.

The PL journey has been fun, but it started getting boring a while ago for me.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:02 am

We would be back down to 12,000 fans. A half full stadium most games. Not for me. We have done terrifically well in the EPL and ruffled a few feathers. I would like to see it continue but sadly we have regressed this season and for it to continue we need to support the manager with more funds. That, it seems, can only be achieved with a buyout.

I just wonder what Sean Dyche is thinking about all this. His stock is still high and now may be a good time to move on.He nmust be sonsidereing that. Putting out a few feelers.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:19 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:43 am
For purely selfish reasons, on balance I prefer us not being in the PL. The football is much more exciting to watch when we can dominate teams. More games at 3pm Saturday which is easier for me to attend, more games full stop. The possibility of signing players who can make an impact in the league.
The problem there is that it's realistic that if we went down, we wouldn't be able to compete with most Championship clubs and so it wouldn't be long before the football wasn't exciting and we weren't dominating teams even a division below.

We would more than likely have to sell 1-2 of our best players and not be able to really afford to bring much quality back in.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:25 am

box_of_frogs wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:54 am
Bit like the last 2 years in this league too.
Do you really think we were dreadful last season when we finished 10th?

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:25 am

Looks like we're going to get both.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:26 am

I think people forget how difficult and unforgiving a league the Championship is. 23 undefeated has clouded a lot of the reality. We are at the top table and should be aiming to stay there.

I don’t buy that’s it’s necessarily ‘better’ either. It’s an absolute slog most of the time.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:30 am

Time to get rid of Garlick and Co due to their lack of desire and ambition, the last 3 or 4 transfer windows have been a joke.
A Takeover is now essential for the clubs future, if not we will drift down the leagues.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:35 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:28 am
So you want us to go down and rebuild?

We can rebuild in the PL.
Can we? How do we reduce all the wages and buy players within our budget?

Perhaps take a read of the original post, relegation v takeover.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:37 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:02 am
We would be back down to 12,000 fans. A half full stadium most games. Not for me. We have done terrifically well in the EPL and ruffled a few feathers. I would like to see it continue but sadly we have regressed this season and for it to continue we need to support the manager with more funds. That, it seems, can only be achieved with a buyout.

I just wonder what Sean Dyche is thinking about all this. His stock is still high and now may be a good time to move on.He nmust be sonsidereing that. Putting out a few feelers.
Is Dyche's stock realistically that high now? Rightly or wrongly he's come to be regarded as Tony Pulis MK2. Unless something drastic happens with us I don't see him getting another Premier league job.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:38 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:35 am
Can we? How do we reduce all the wages and buy players within our budget?

Perhaps take a read of the original post, relegation v takeover.
From what I've read/heard, a takeover probably wouldn't mean more money for players anyway. So I'm not really sure what a short term benefit of a takeover would mean. It doesn't seem like it will mean we can go out and buy more expensive players.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:40 am

I wonder if people looking forward to or preferring relegation and Championship football will look lovingly at league one after the inevitable fire sale
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by taio » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:43 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:40 am
I wonder if people looking forward to or preferring relegation Championship football will look lovingly at league one after the inevitable fire sale
I get the impression you're a glass half full type of a person :D
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by BabylonClaret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:50 am

Why di people think dropping to the Championship meNs we will be able to rebuild and sort wages again? Many teams in that league pay Cossall wages transfers for players are STILL the size they are (although granted a transfer for someone in lg 1 or 2 is a more feasible step up). And we have less money (and if we don't bounce straight back k - which is quite possible) around 12k fans (as someone else has pointed out.

Its like saying I can run very fast because one leg is a bit wonky but if I jumped off a cliff to breK my legs would break and the surgery might be able to straighten it out so I can run fast after that
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:57 am

Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford are showing that teams that go down and can afford to hang on to the core of their squad can push to bounce straight back. The Covid situation, and the teams that came up last year help as well.
Takeover or relegation. I'd take relegation over the current options. Relegation is just part and parcel of football, I'll still keep supporting the team whichever league they are in

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by claret2018 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:05 am

We’d probably lose Tarks and Pope if we went down. I can’t see any other PL teams lining up for any of our other players.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by trawdenclaret » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:11 am

It's all about money if i had 60 million in the bank i wouldn't spend 20 million plus on a new right winger but if i was a billionaire different story.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by taio » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:12 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:05 am
We’d probably lose Tarks and Pope if we went down. I can’t see any other PL teams lining up for any of our other players.
Disagree. Take Wood for example. Most clubs being promoted from the Championship would want his goals. Taylor another - accomplished PL full back.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:16 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:37 am
Is Dyche's stock realistically that high now? Rightly or wrongly he's come to be regarded as Tony Pulis MK2. Unless something drastic happens with us I don't see him getting another Premier league job.
X2 promotions and proven that he can keep a team in the PL.

Yeah I'd say he will be sought after.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:17 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:35 am
Can we? How do we reduce all the wages and buy players within our budget?

Perhaps take a read of the original post, relegation v takeover.
We can rebuild in the PL, if you think otherwise then you're a fool.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:19 am

If we go down we go down. I don't see it as the huge disaster some people want to paint it as. Are some aspects of the Championship more enjoyable? Personally I'd say so. Every game is competitive, you generally play on a Saturday at 3 o clock, you don't have to buy tickets for an away game 3 weeks in advance etc.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:22 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:19 am
If we go down we go down. I don't see it as the huge disaster some people want to paint it as. Are some aspects of the Championship more enjoyable? Personally I'd say so. Every game is competitive, you generally play on a Saturday at 3 o clock, you don't have to buy tickets for an away game 3 weeks in advance etc.
Rewind the clock back to when Dyche took over and had to sell Austin.

Just think about it, think about what would happen if the club was in the championship long term again, instead of thinking about kick off times, purchasing tickets etc.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:22 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:16 am
X2 promotions and proven that he can keep a team in the PL.

Yeah I'd say he will be sought after.
The bigger Championship clubs will definitely be interested, which Premier league sides would realistically be interested though?

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by taio » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:27 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:19 am
If we go down we go down. I don't see it as the huge disaster some people want to paint it as. Are some aspects of the Championship more enjoyable? Personally I'd say so. Every game is competitive, you generally play on a Saturday at 3 o clock, you don't have to buy tickets for an away game 3 weeks in advance etc.
I don't want us to go down. I'd be disappointed. But at the same time I realise it's only a matter of time so would understand. We've over achieved being in the PL for so long. I'd want Dyche to stay because he'd deserve to and I'd enjoy the Championship - it's a very good league - but not quite as much as the PL.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:27 am

Relegation may mean no takeover. Can see it being stalled for a month to see how far drift we are and/ or the value dropping.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:29 am

If we went down the cost cutting would be enormous, both on and off the field and I shudder to think what it would be like if we didn't bounce back and the parachute money ran out. We would be in such a state that half of the Championship would come sniffing round for bargains. There's also all the good work the club do in the community - this most certainly wouldn't be at the same level. I think some people have forgotten just how skint we were.

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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Hipper » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:30 am

I want Dyche to sort himself out. He seems to me a big cause of our lack of morale.

I accept that injuries and our financial situation with Covid are factors but him sniping in the media after the restart and into this season was out of order. He's an employee and should toe the line. Disagreements should remain within the club. Instead he's used the media to either express his frustrations or worse, tried to manipulate things for either his professional or personal advantage - professional in that he was trying to get more funds to spend; personal in trying to pass the blame for what he sees as our possible or imminent failure.

If he can't shut up, or get his act together, he should be shown the door. No person is bigger then the club.
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Re: Relegation or takeover ?

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:33 am

Yeah, let's get rid of our most successful manager in decades. :?

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