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YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Mala591 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:23 am

Time for a shakeup of both players and tactics!

Let's keep the ball on the ground and play some FOOTBALL

Pope
Bardsley Tarkowski Dunne Taylor
JBG/Brady Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Vydra Rodriguez
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:24 am

Pope
Bardsley Tarkowski Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Rodriguez
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:24 am

Pope
Bards Tarks long Taylor
JBG/Brady Westwood brownhill mcniel
Wood jay

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:30 am

Not sure why anyone would push for a Vydra start to be honest but I'd definitely be looking at Jay starting if he's fully fit.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:31 am

433 with Pope, Westwood and Barnes getting benched as all of them are looking well below usual standards

BPF
Lowton Tarks Dunne Taylor
Brownhill Stephens Pieters
Jay-Rod Wood Mcneill

If Pieters isnt fit them drop McNeil into midfield and play Vydra on the right and Jay on the left

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:40 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:30 am
Not sure why anyone would push for a Vydra start to be honest but I'd definitely be looking at Jay starting if he's fully fit.
Because Wood and Barnes have been awful, their partnership produces long ball crap.

At the back end of last season we played good stuff with Jay Rod and Vydra and then Wood came back in, performances dropped but Wood scored so it wasn't an issue as such.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Bigvince » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:40 am

Pope
Beardsley Tarks mee taylor
JBG brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood JRod

Long for mee if not fit

D A. Don’t know how you can include Stephens in a midfield 3 considering his performance against Chelsea

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:41 am

I think it's time for Mike Garlick to pick the team and see if he can do any better.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:49 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:30 am
Not sure why anyone would push for a Vydra start to be honest but I'd definitely be looking at Jay starting if he's fully fit.
Vydra is a quality player but IMO is currently best used as an impact sub. It has to be Wood and Jay. Wood is the obvious starter as he's our best forward.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:52 am

Bigvince wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:40 am
Pope
Beardsley Tarks mee taylor
JBG brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood JRod

Long for mee if not fit

D A. Don’t know how you can include Stephens in a midfield 3 considering his performance against Chelsea
Dont think he has the legs to play in a 4-4-2 but with a couple of midfielders either side of him and a couple of players ahead of him with good movement we might see a different Stephens.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:00 pm

Pope
Lowts Tarks Mee/Long Taylor
McNeil Brownhill Westwood Jay
Wood Barnes

Far from ideal but I cannot remember seeing a Burnley player touch the ball less than Stephens did last Saturday. In every game he has played he seems way off the pace and I would only use him in front of the back four if both Westwood and Cork were missing.

I also think Vydra deserves at least 45 minutes if Barnes or Wood have another poor half. He cannot impact a game in 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game. He’s showed more than enough in the last 6 or 9 months to prove he can offer us something different and change a game. Even if Vydra started instead of Barnes I don’t think many Burnley fans would have a big issue with this or could argue it was harsh on Barnes. If Jay is not in the team already then he probably deserves the nod in front of Vydra (and Barnes).

We are woefully short of options though

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:06 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:40 am
Because Wood and Barnes have been awful, their partnership produces long ball crap.

At the back end of last season we played good stuff with Jay Rod and Vydra and then Wood came back in, performances dropped but Wood scored so it wasn't an issue as such.
All I can say is you see more in Vydra than I do - he's excellent coming on as a sub, stretching play, but not a starter for me, not by any means and to leave Wood out for him I think is incredble.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:09 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:00 pm
Pope
Lowts Tarks Mee/Long Taylor
McNeil Brownhill Westwood Jay
Wood Barnes

Far from ideal but I cannot remember seeing a Burnley player touch the ball less than Stephens did last Saturday. In every game he has played he seems way off the pace and I would only use him in front of the back four if both Westwood and Cork were missing.

I also think Vydra deserves at least 45 minutes if Barnes or Wood have another poor half. He cannot impact a game in 5 or 10 minutes at the end of a game. He’s showed more than enough in the last 6 or 9 months to prove he can offer us something different and change a game. Even if Vydra started instead of Barnes I don’t think many Burnley fans would have a big issue with this or could argue it was harsh on Barnes. If Jay is not in the team already then he probably deserves the nod in front of Vydra (and Barnes).

We are woefully short of options though
I'm glad you aren't the manager. McNeil has to start on the left with Jay upfront. McNeil should never start on the right.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:09 pm

'We are woefully short of options though'
...we certainly are..

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:15 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:09 pm
I'm glad you aren't the manager. McNeil has to start on the left with Jay upfront. McNeil should never start on the right.
I didn’t mean to put him on the right. Agree he defo needs to start on left.
But cheers for pointing it out and not over reacting !

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:16 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:40 am

D A. Don’t know how you can include Stephens in a midfield 3 considering his performance against Chelsea
I wouldn't include Stephens in ANY midfield.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:21 pm

Pope
Bardsley
Tarks
Mee
Taylor
JBG first half until he goes off injured
Brady minutes 46 to 75 until he goes off injured then AN Other up to minute 90
Westwood
Browhill
McNeill
Jay Rod
Wood

We are hardly what you wouid call spoilt for choice
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:23 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:15 pm
I didn’t mean to put him on the right. Agree he defo needs to start on left.
But cheers for pointing it out and not over reacting !
You're welcome - don't let it happen again. Thick people just get to me a bit.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:23 pm

Richardson made the bench against Chelsea.
If at any part of the game we went 3 up front he could hopefully be an option from the bench. I’ve seen him a few times and whilst I get the obvious limitations with his age, size, experience etc he definitely has a great touch and goal scorer instincts.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:23 pm
Richardson made the bench against Chelsea.
If at any part of the game we went 3 up front he could hopefully be an option from the bench. I’ve seen him a few times and whilst I get the obvious limitations with his age, size, experience etc he definitely has a great touch and goal scorer instincts.
Age size and experience never stood in the way of a player who was good enough. Michael Owen for example.

And before anyone jumps in, i have no idea whether Richardson is good enough, nor comparing him with Michael Owen. Just suggesting that the old adage that if you are good enough you are old enough.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by TVC15 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:31 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:28 pm
Age size and experience never stood in the way of a player who was good enough. Michael Owen for example.

And before anyone jumps in, i have no idea whether Richardson is good enough, nor comparing him with Michael Owen. Just suggesting that the old adage that if you are good enough you are old enough.
Agreed - it’s just difficult to tell as fans when you have seen him play only a few games at such a massively different level of football. But SD and the staff must seen him every day in training

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:06 pm
All I can say is you see more in Vydra than I do - he's excellent coming on as a sub, stretching play, but not a starter for me, not by any means and to leave Wood out for him I think is incredble.
He's not a Dyche type of player and he certainly doesn't get the best out of him with his systems, but when him and Jay Rod are on people pass to feet and look for the return ball. It breeds confidence in the side and we play far better.

Wood scores more goals so would be the better impact sub on the 60 minute mark, when if still level we start to try to win games more.
All 4 strikers have their strengths and there's not much in it between any of them on all round game to be honest. But Wood and Barnes are way out of form at the minute.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:45 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:42 pm
He's not a Dyche type of player and he certainly doesn't get the best out of him with his systems, but when him and Jay Rod are on people pass to feet and look for the return ball. It breeds confidence in the side and we play far better.

Wood scores more goals so would be the better impact sub on the 60 minute mark, when if still level we start to try to win games more.
All 4 strikers have their strengths and there's not much in it between any of them on all round game to be honest. But Wood and Barnes are way out of form at the minute.
We (this board) have had these discussions before and what happens is Wood scores and people change their mind in an instant.

Wood is our best striker. It's who starts alongside him that's the question. You need a target man (Wood) partnering Jay or Vydra. We've kept the ball on the ground with Jay and Wood. It's when Barnes comes in that we seem to do more of a direct play.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:45 pm
We (this board) have had these discussions before and what happens is Wood scores and people change their mind in an instant.

Wood is our best striker. It's who starts alongside him that's the question. You need a target man (Wood) partnering Jay or Vydra. We've kept the ball on the ground with Jay and Wood. It's when Barnes comes in that we seem to do more of a direct play.
I agree, when Wood scores it's fine and he scores enough every year for a club like ours.

But when he doesn't score he's one of the worst players in the premier league. Almost redundant.
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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:52 pm

Think it's fair to say not one of our players have covered themselves in glory thus far. You could make a case of dropping anyone of them, as they are so far off the pace. These next two games will go along way to defining our season. Given the state of our situation and I hope the players aren't given any time off during the international break.
Unfortunately the team more or less picks itself at present, with the exception of Jay Rod. I can't see too may alternatives unless fingers crossed our skipper is ready for a long awaited return. Here's hoping.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Pearcey » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:00 pm

Pope
Bards Tarks Mee(if fit) Taylor
JBG(if fit) Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Jay Wood

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:19 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Long Taylor
McNeil Brownhill Westwood Brady
Jay
Wood

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:34 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:42 pm
He's not a Dyche type of player and he certainly doesn't get the best out of him with his systems, but when him and Jay Rod are on people pass to feet and look for the return ball. It breeds confidence in the side and we play far better.

Wood scores more goals so would be the better impact sub on the 60 minute mark, when if still level we start to try to win games more.
All 4 strikers have their strengths and there's not much in it between any of them on all round game to be honest. But Wood and Barnes are way out of form at the minute.
Vydra is another of these players who gets better and better the less games he plays

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:38 pm

When it comes to selling Vydra we should get quicken to act as the broker, maybe not though as far as Wood is concerned

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by HB Claret » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:52 pm

Is it part of the deal to buy Stephens that he is effectively “cup-tied” and can’t play or is it part of the deal that we have to play him against them 😂😂

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:02 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:38 pm
When it comes to selling Vydra we should get quicken to act as the broker, maybe not though as far as Wood is concerned
Let's be honest, Vydra should of been sold 18 months ago when he wasn't part of Dyche's plans. He's going to walk away for nothing like Hendrick and Brady.
Terrible business sense at the club.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:13 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:02 pm
Let's be honest, Vydra should of been sold 18 months ago when he wasn't part of Dyche's plans. He's going to walk away for nothing like Hendrick and Brady.
Terrible business sense at the club.
The way some people talk, we might as well have sold every player outside the first 11 and have nobody on the bench.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by tiger76 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:10 am

Pope
Bards Tarks Mee? Taylor
Brady Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Jay Wood

Stephens hasn't justified keeping a starting berth, and the Barnes/Wood pairing up top isn't working, so time for some changes, Brownhill has to play in the centre he's wasted on the right, and we're much weaker in CM when he's not in there, Jay has to come in he and Wood were our best 2 strikers last season, and they linked up really well as a duo, if we're going to climb out of trouble we'll need to find goals, and that dup is likely to be more effective than lumping it to the 2 big man.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by bumba » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:28 am

4 4 2 diamond

Pope

Lowton Tarky Mee taylor
Stephens
Brownhill Westwood
Mcneil
JRod Vydra

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:31 am

Pope
Bards Tarks Mee Taylor
Brady Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Jay Wood

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Spijed » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:35 am

Chris Boden saying JBG back in contention

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:54 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 pm
I agree, when Wood scores it's fine and he scores enough every year for a club like ours.

But when he doesn't score he's one of the worst players in the premier league. Almost redundant.
Said this before, he can score goals but he’s not a great football player.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:51 pm

Don’t think anyone can deny his goal scoring ability.

But his touch, hold up play and passing is incredibly poor for this level. This why we don’t play to feet a lot of the time, because it is not a strength of our main focal point

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:57 pm

Regarding Wood, he has to start due to his goals. It's surely an automatic place for him. He can do bugger all for 6 games and then score 3 goals in his next 3 games. And I don't think you can leave out Jay when he's fit, so I'm struggling to see why not everybody has those 2 in their lineup.

And while I rate Vydra, he seems to do better for us as an impact sub. Come on with 20-30 minutes to go to change the game.

All about opinions I guess.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:17 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:21 pm
Pope
Bardsley
Tarks
Mee
Taylor
JBG first half until he goes off injured
Brady minutes 46 to 75 until he goes off injured then AN Other up to minute 90
Westwood
Browhill
McNeill
Jay Rod
Wood

We are hardly what you wouid call spoilt for choice
I have to say that made me giggle :D

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Goobs » Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:56 pm

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee / Long Taylor
JBG Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Jay Wood

BPF Bards, Brady, Stephens, Barnes, Vydra Long / Dunne

Starting to look a bit better.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by BleedingClaret » Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:39 pm

Pope
Bardsley Tarks Mee (Long) Taylor
JBG (Brady) Westwood Brownhill Mcneil
Jay Wood

Use Subs, as soon as the hour mark, especially Vydra Barnes & Brady

Don't flog players, particularily the front 6, especially injury prone ones, JBG, and just back from injury, Barnes.

Give mcneil a freeer roll, Brownhill has the legs & discipline to cover back

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by BleedingClaret » Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:42 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:51 pm
Don’t think anyone can deny his goal scoring ability.

But his touch, hold up play and passing is incredibly poor for this level. This why we don’t play to feet a lot of the time, because it is not a strength of our main focal point
That's why you pair him with Jay, who shows for the ball, links up well and talks to his forward partner

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:10 pm

Pope, (by a whisker over BPF)
Lowton, Tarkowski, Mee (or Dunne if Mee isn't ready), Taylor,
Brownhill, Westwood, Benson, McNeil,
Rodriguez, Wood

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by claret54 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:13 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:23 am
Time for a shakeup of both players and tactics!

Let's keep the ball on the ground
No. Let's play the way we have successfully over the last five seasons.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by warksclaret » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:41 pm

Assuming Ben is one game away from fitness as is JBG, then

Pope
Bardsley Long Tarks Taylor
Brady Weswood Brownhill McNeil
Wood Rodriguez

If Ben and JBG are fit then them instead of Long and Brady

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by leelad » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:34 am

Pope
Bardsley
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
JBG
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Wood
Rodriguez

We need Mee back for this game.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:11 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:57 pm
Regarding Wood, he has to start due to his goals. It's surely an automatic place for him. He can do bugger all for 6 games and then score 3 goals in his next 3 games. And I don't think you can leave out Jay when he's fit, so I'm struggling to see why not everybody has those 2 in their lineup.

And while I rate Vydra, he seems to do better for us as an impact sub. Come on with 20-30 minutes to go to change the game.

All about opinions I guess.
We need goals if we're going to get out of trouble, and Jay and Woody are in my view our most natural finishers, and also our best partnership based on last season's showings, so both have to start for me, Barnes & Vydra are useful options from the bench if we want to change things up, but neither looks like carrying a goal threat on their present form.

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by JohnMac » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:21 pm

Pope
Bardsley
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Brady/JBG
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Rodriguez
Wood

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Re: YOUR team vs Brighton

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:50 pm

Tough one, reluctant to drop Barnes as he needs games to come into form but we need to change things. If Mee is fit, which I hope to god he is, I’d go;

Pope

Bardsley Tarks Mee Taylor

Brady Westwood Brownhill McNeill

Wood Rodriguez

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