Who owns the ground?

The club and ground are one entity, it was purchased back a couple of years ago from the company created by Kilby etc.

Why, want to buy it?

Is it our Twix supplier?

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:26 pm

Is it our Twix supplier?

I have to ask, where did this bloody Twix banter appear from?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:26 pm

The club and ground are one entity, it was purchased back a couple of years ago from the company created by Kilby etc.

Why, want to buy it?

I would love to

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 pm

I have to ask, where did this bloody Twix banter appear from?

From Turf Moor amusingly.

Someone on here complained about the cost of a Twix on matchday, it then passed info folklore and became the financial level by which all other things are compared.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:33 pm

From Turf Moor amusingly.

Someone on here complained about the cost of a Twix on matchday, it then passed info folklore and became the financial level by which all other things are compared.

Ah, fair enough. I just started reading about it and wondered about the origin. Have we tracked it back to the poster who started it? As I'd like to bring my ham sandwich to the table.

As I recall, it started between Christmas and new year one year. Twixmas as it’s known

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:33 pm

From Turf Moor amusingly.

Someone on here complained about the cost of a Twix on matchday, it then passed info folklore and became the financial level by which all other things are compared.

How much?????

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:26 pm

The club and ground are one entity, it was purchased back a couple of years ago from the company created by Kilby etc.

Why, want to buy it?

Time flies, Sidney.....Now seven years since the Turf was returned to it's rightful ownership in 2013 from Lionbridge.

Marney&Mee wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:35 pm

As I recall, it started between Christmas and new year one year. Twixmas as it’s known

That would be be"Twix"t Christmas and New Year then

Currently in Sainsbury's

I think the bit your missing is they were the snack size Twix selling at £2 each

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:36 pm

Time flies, Sidney.....Now seven years since the Turf was returned to it's rightful ownership in 2013 from Lionbridge.

Clearly been having far to much fun these last 7 years

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:36 pm

How much?????

Box of Twix..

Anyone tried these yet?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:53 pm

Clearly been having far to much fun these last 7 years

To be fair it's been a decent enough time on the pitch.

They were the ones that had printed on them 'part of multipack, do not sell singly'.

Twix = sh!t

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 pm

I have to ask, where did this bloody Twix banter appear from?

Not sure, was never funny though

The next one is ‘dry powder store’ I’m one grumpy sod, and those two annoy me

Yeah those jokes stopped being funny some time ago.

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:58 am

Yeah those jokes stopped being funny some time ago.

Stopped ? That word implies it was funny at some stage.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 pm

I have to ask, where did this bloody Twix banter appear from?

A comic for under 11's.

Brilliant a thread about Turf Moor, goes off at a tangent, and becomes a thread about Twix! You’ve gotta love this forum

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:23 pm

Who owns the ground?

It's owned by Longside Properties. This is a company that was set up in 2004 and included Barry Kilby. It was set up with the specific purpose of buying Turf Moor and the training ground at Gawthorpe.

In early 2014, John B set up a fundraiser of kinds to raise money to buy them back. It was successful and you will see a list of those who contributed in the club programme. What happened was that a new company was set up called Burnley FC Holdings Ltd and that company now fully owns Burnley Football & Athletic Co. Ltd and Longside Properties. So in effect, the ground and the training ground are now owned again by the club.

For interest, the people who loaned the money to enable the club to re-purchase both the ground and the training ground are:

Ann Maitland
Brian & Sandra Nelson
David Sunter
Geoff Westmore
Harry Brooks
Jason Bannister
John Banaszkiewicz
Jon Ratcliffe
Mark Griffiths & Heather Brown
Martin Hobbs
Richard Sutton
Terry Crabb

If the takeover happens, we must fight tooth and nail not to allow the name to change.
Turf Moor forever!

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:02 pm

If the takeover happens, we must fight tooth and nail not to allow the name to change.
Turf Moor forever!

100%.

It was only owned by Longside Properties until 2009 at which point Barry Kilby and John Sullivan sold the ground on to Lionbridge, an offshore registered company. In his own words Barry said he was "uncomfortable being landlord and tenant". I thought the Turf and Gawthorpe then returned to it's rightful ownership in 2013 after not inconsiderable problems.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:02 pm

If the takeover happens, we must fight tooth and nail not to allow the name to change.
Turf Moor forever!

So many grounds now have sponsors names but they are largely ignored by the supporters, provided the ground already had a name. As an example, despite having had countless different names, the Bradford City ground is still known as Valley Parade.

The problem only arises when new ground are built and immediately given a sponsors name such as we have at Bolton, Huddersfield and Stoke. The sensible clubs who did that included a name such as the Cellnet Riverside at Middlesbrough which just became the Riverside and Friends Provident St. Mary's which just became St. Mary's.

So anyone can come in and call it what they want for me, more so if it brings in big money, but I know what I will always call it and what it will always be to me and that's TURF MOOR.

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/08335231

I was surprised to discover on the Companies House website that Longside Properties Limited is still an active and independent company

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/05202619

the plot thickens...

Why does the plot thicken?

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 pm

I have to ask, where did this bloody Twix banter appear from?

It’s one of the few remaining subjects that can be discussed on open forum.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:08 pm

So many grounds now have sponsors names but they are largely ignored by the supporters, provided the ground already had a name. As an example, despite having had countless different names, the Bradford City ground is still known as Valley Parade.

The problem only arises when new ground are built and immediately given a sponsors name such as we have at Bolton, Huddersfield and Stoke. The sensible clubs who did that included a name such as the Cellnet Riverside at Middlesbrough which just became the Riverside and Friends Provident St. Mary's which just became St. Mary's.

So anyone can come in and call it what they want for me, more so if it brings in big money, but I know what I will always call it and what it will always be to me and that's TURF MOOR.

Plus look at the demise of York City ever since they changed it to the Kit Kat stadium.
Rumours are they had big plans to go through the leagues and reach the Premier League where they would double the capacity of their ground and change its name to The Chunky Kit Kat Stadium....probably !!

I hope the new owners revert the badge, much preferred the old one

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:56 pm

I hope the new owners revert the badge, much preferred the old one

The current badge IS the old one.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:01 pm

The current badge IS the old one.

there are so many - which is the old one and which is the old old one etc

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:59 pm

Why does the plot thicken?

Cornflower

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:01 pm

The current badge IS the old one.

Well there’s many old ones I meant the previous one

Mala591 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/08335231

I was surprised to discover on the Companies House website that Longside Properties Limited is still an active and independent company

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/05202619

the plot thickens...

No plot to thicken at all - as I'd posted above, in effect the club bought Longside Properties.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:01 pm

The current badge IS the old one.

The current badge is definitely not the old one. We have, in our history, had two club badges. The old one was from 1973 until 2010 and the current one has been the club badge since 2010.

I thought the current badge was just a modernised version of an old one as shown here.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:06 pm

Burnley-Logo-History.jpg

I thought the current badge was just a modernised version of an old one as shown here.

No - it is a change to the old County Borough Coat of Arms which we wore on our shirts from 1960/61 until 1968/69 and then, for a one off, in 2009/10.

The first ever club badge was created in 1973 and the current one was adopted ahead of the 2010/11 season. They are the only two official club badges as far as I am aware.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:46 pm

The current badge is definitely not the old one. We have, in our history, had two club badges. The old one was from 1973 until 2010 and the current one has been the club badge since 2010.

So there was no badge prior to 1973?

The pics that Sid had posted indicate otherwise.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:29 pm

So there was no badge prior to 1973?

The pics that Sid had posted indicate otherwise.

The first official club badge was in 1973 although we had previously, in some years, worn the County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms on our shirts - we definitely did that from 1960/61 until 1968/69. We did not have a badge on the home shirt then for a number of years, opting just for a BFC in one form or another. The club badge was first worn on a yellow away shirt and the first time it was worn at home was 1979/80.

The last time we wore the first club badge was in 2008/09. In the following season, because it was an anniversary kit, we wore the old County Borough Coat of Arms and then introduced the new club badge, the current one, which is very similar to the coat of arms, for the 2010/11 season.

The pics that Sid posted don't indicate otherwise at all, some of them are the old coat of arms, some of them are just BFC, the two club badges are as indicated in this post.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:07 pm

It was only owned by Longside Properties until 2009 at which point Barry Kilby and John Sullivan sold the ground on to Lionbridge, an offshore registered company. In his own words Barry said he was "uncomfortable being landlord and tenant". I thought the Turf and Gawthorpe then returned to it's rightful ownership in 2013 after not inconsiderable problems.

Longside Properties was sold to Lionbridge (a BVI company from what I remember), not just the ground (although the ground was owned by Longside).

I don't think the ownership of Lionbridge has ever been confirmed which is a little surprising.

Mala591 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/08335231

I was surprised to discover on the Companies House website that Longside Properties Limited is still an active and independent company

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... y/05202619

the plot thickens...

Not really, if you look at the details you can see that it's owned by Burnley FC Holdings which is the club

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:07 pm

Longside Properties was sold to Lionbridge (a BVI company from what I remember), not just the ground (although the ground was owned by Longside).

I don't think the ownership of Lionbridge has ever been confirmed which is a little surprising.

The directors of the company called Longside Properties today are:

Clive Holt
Mike Garlick
Barry Kilby
John Banaszkiewicz
Brian Nelson
Terry Crabb
Brendan Flood
Matt Williams

The most recent addition was that of Matt Williams (Company Secretary) in July 2016.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:12 pm

The directors of the company called Longside Properties today are:

Clive Holt
Mike Garlick
Barry Kilby
John Banaszkiewicz
Brian Nelson
Terry Crabb
Brendan Flood
Matt Williams

The most recent addition was that of Matt Williams (Company Secretary) in July 2016.

Yes, that's just the same as the parent.

The unknown spell is when, as Royboy refers to above, Barry Kilby and John Sullivan sold their shares to an overseas company with very opaque ownership called Lionbridge.

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:16 pm

Yes, that's just the same as the parent.

The unknown spell is when, as Royboy refers to above, Barry Kilby and John Sullivan sold their shares to an overseas company with very opaque ownership called Lionbridge.

I’ve never understood the Lionbridge. I’ll see what I can find because one of my neighbours is listed as a previous director of Longside Properties.

Matt, the latest addition, is also the club’s company secretary.