Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

[Newcastleclaret93]

This is why Dyche will never end up at a top club, he is so one dimensional. When it clicks we are a good team that is hard to beat. Any other team in the league and he is sacked this season.

He is great for us, but fans need to start being realistic Dyche is going absolutely know where unless he is sacked.

[jrgbfc]

Does anyone actually still think Dyche is going to get a bigger job?

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[jojomk1]

Does anyone actually still think Dyche is going to get a bigger job?

I think Dyche does !

[Spijed]

On the flip side, has any manager ever done as well in the top flight with such a limited budget?

Chris Wilder is the only one I can think of in recent seasons.

No other manager in the PL could have our team into Europe as well as Dyche did, that's for certain.

And just remember when we did finish 7th every other team above us has pretty much unlimited funds to spend.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So you're telling me all the people on here over the years who've been adamant he was going to *insert club here * were chatting out their back ends?

Who'd have thunk it.


As for top job, which clubs are we talking about?
If it's one of the usual top 6 then no he probably won't.
Could he get a job at another PL club if there was a vacancy?
Yes I think he could, but we don't know what sort of release clause we have in his contract, we managed to get a good few million for Howe from Bournemouth.

He finished higher than the likes of Watford ever did too.
He is well respected /regarded and if he left he'd be sought after.

I heard last night that the saints manager is 3rd-4th Fav for the Utd job, which is hilarious and shows how far they've fallen.

[jrgbfc]

On the flip side, has any manager ever done as well in the top flight with such a limited budget?

Chris Wilder is the only one I can think of in recent seasons.

No other manager in the PL could have our team into Europe as well as Dyche did, that's for certain.

And just remember when we did finish 7th every other team above us has pretty much unlimited funds to spend.

If he was going to move on that was the time to do it. His stock will never be that high again.

[jrgbfc]

So you're telling me all the people on here over the years who've been adamant he was going to *insert club here * were chatting out their back ends?

Who'd have thunk it.


As for top job, which clubs are we talking about?
If it's one of the usual top 6 then no he probably won't.
Could he get a job at another PL club if there was a vacancy?
Yes I think he could, but we don't know what sort of release clause we have in his contract, we managed to get a good few million for Howe from Bournemouth.

He finished higher than the likes of Watford ever did too.
He is well respected /regarded and if he left he'd be sought after.

I heard last night that the saints manager is 3rd-4th Fav for the Utd job, which is hilarious and shows how far they've fallen.

Why exactly? Because he's managing an "unfashionable" club? He'd be a huge improvement on Solskjaer.

[randomclaret2]

On the flip side, has any manager ever done as well in the top flight with such a limited budget?

Chris Wilder is the only one I can think of in recent seasons.

No other manager in the PL could have our team into Europe as well as Dyche did, that's for certain.

And just remember when we did finish 7th every other team above us has pretty much unlimited funds to spend.

Wilder has spent massively more than we have since they were promoted, not even close

[bfcjg]

I think his tactics are limited by the budget, I would though enjoy watching a little more finesse.

[Stayingup]

This is why Dyche will never end up at a top club, he is so one dimensional. When it clicks we are a good team that is hard to beat. Any other team in the league and he is sacked this season.

He is great for us, but fans need to start being realistic Dyche is going absolutely know where unless he is sacked.

Out of interst how do you think Mourinho, Guardiola or any other manager would have this threadbare, under invested team performing? We finished 10th last season and bought a has been for 1 million and let others go. That is adding perspective to Dyche"s management of this current team

[Quickenthetempo]

Out of interst how do you think Mourinho, Guardiola or any other manager would have this threadbare, under invested team performing? We finished 10th last season and bought a has been for 1 million and let others go. That is adding perspective to Dyche"s management of this current team

Dyche wasted that 1 million and 40k a week wage. Nobody else.

[NewClaret]

Dyche goes on a winning run - “he’s leaving us this summer lads”

Dyche goes on a losing run - “he’ll never attract offers from a bigger club than Burnley”.



My take: he’ll always have other offers from clubs struggling to survive or newly promoted. He will also get much bigger offers than Burnley if the Board ever back him and give him some better quality players and he evolves our style.

[joey13]

He’s already got one

[BleedingClaret]

If we go down to the championship
Dyche will either get a big Championship club, like a Derby that thinks he could get them up, and he could.
Or he will get a job back in the Premier League when a promoted side sacks there manager 12’ve games in, believing he could keep them up, and he could.
Both will sack him when he has a bad run like he’s had with us 3 times
He does my head in
But he’s best for us and we’re best for him

[bf2k]

I think his tactics are limited by the budget, I would though enjoy watching a little more finesse.

Exactly! Flair players cost more than workhorses. We don't have the budget for premier league flair players (you could argue we don't have the budget from premier league workhorses which makes the job he's done even more special).

[bf2k]

Dyche wasted that 1 million and 40k a week wage. Nobody else.

How do you know that that wasn't all was put in front of him my our wonderful Technical Director???

[Quickenthetempo]

How do you know that that wasn't all was put in front of him my our wonderful Technical Director???

Just a stab in the dark.

With Dyche chasing him for years before our TD joined the club and Dyche always going back for his targets.

[Quickenthetempo]

Dyche goes on a winning run - “he’s leaving us this summer lads”

Dyche goes on a losing run - “he’ll never attract offers from a bigger club than Burnley”.



My take: he’ll always have other offers from clubs struggling to survive or newly promoted. He will also get much bigger offers than Burnley if the Board ever back him and give him some better quality players and he evolves our style.

95% of football clubs manage to play a better style of football than us on far less budget. It's how Dyche wants to play.
Managers don't get 8 years to evolve like Dyche has.

He could get better players in that do the same jobs better with a bigger budget, but his style won't change.

[Spijed]

95% of football clubs manage to play a better style of football than us on far less budget.

But is it possible to get promoted and stay in the Prem for five seasons doing that?

That always seems to get overlooked.

[CleggHall]

A bit like Warnock, will never be out of work.

[Quickenthetempo]

But is it possible to get promoted and stay in the Prem for five seasons doing that?

That always seems to get overlooked.

The last known known wage bill was 90m with bonuses.

Ajax have a 40/50m wage bill. Now I'm not saying Ajax would stay in the premier league for 5 years but they seem to do pretty well.

[Bin Ont Turf]

The last known known wage bill was 90m with bonuses.

Ajax have a 40/50m wage bill. Now I'm not saying Ajax would stay in the premier league for 5 years but they seem to do pretty well.

You can't compare the two. Ajax play in a tatie pie league.

We have to pay £30,000 a week for players who are quite average in the Premier League.

[tarkys_ears]

He'd probably get a job with a bigger club with a bigger budget.

He'd get canned quickly though as he's 1) not very flexible and 2) useless with money

[tarkys_ears]

Dyche goes on a winning run - “he’s leaving us this summer lads”

Dyche goes on a losing run - “he’ll never attract offers from a bigger club than Burnley”.



My take: he’ll always have other offers from clubs struggling to survive or newly promoted. He will also get much bigger offers than Burnley if the Board ever back him and give him some better quality players and he evolves our style.

Yes, because it's a results business. When you're in form, you attract attention, when not, no one wants you.

It's hardly rocket science.

[TVC15]

The last known known wage bill was 90m with bonuses.

Ajax have a 40/50m wage bill. Now I'm not saying Ajax would stay in the premier league for 5 years but they seem to do pretty well.

But we have one of the smallest wage bills in the Premier League and Ajax have by far the biggest in the Dutch league.
Plus you could not get 2 more different clubs than Burnley and Ajax in terms of player recruitment strategy. Players go to Ajax for very different reasons as to why they turn up at Burnley and they have their world renowned youth development system which is better than most clubs in the world.
One of the only reasons they can afford to pay the wages they do is because their youth system develops so many players that they sell at huge profits.

Struggling to see the point you are making to be honest.

[ElectroClaret]

Dyche does his best with the limited resources available to him. That "best" has kept us in the PL year on year.
Yes, he's signed some stinkers but they all do. The difference is the bigger clubs can afford to take a loss on their poor signings.

I honestly don't think anyone would do/would have done any better with those same resources to call on.

[Dodobdobodobo]

Surely we must be able to play a different style and perform well enough to stay in the league with the present players we have IMO

[Quickenthetempo]

You can't compare the two. Ajax play in a tatie pie league.

We have to pay £30,000 a week for players who are quite average in the Premier League.

Do you think Burnley would win the Dutch league? I'm not so sure.

[Quickenthetempo]

But we have one of the smallest wage bills in the Premier League and Ajax have by far the biggest in the Dutch league.
Plus you could not get 2 more different clubs than Burnley and Ajax in terms of player recruitment strategy. Players go to Ajax for very different reasons as to why they turn up at Burnley and they have their world renowned youth development system which is better than most clubs in the world.
One of the only reasons they can afford to pay the wages they do is because their youth system develops so many players that they sell at huge profits.

Struggling to see the point you are making to be honest.

It was just one example. What about Rangers? Seville? Atalanta?

[Elizabeth]

Dyche is up there just behind the great Harry Potts in best Burnley managers in my lifetime. Like Dyche, he was managing a small town club in competition with much wealthier and bigger clubs. Dyche is doing it superbly and Potts went one better, winning the title!
Harry never got a so called top job and neither do I think he wanted one because he was so happy at the club.
He did however get something much more rewarding to his family, close friends and all those Burnley fans who walk past the Turf every day. Harry Potts Way.
Stop knocking the man

[NewClaret]

Yes, because it's a results business. When you're in form, you attract attention, when not, no one wants you.

It's hardly rocket science.

Exactly right. So when the results turn all of a sudden we’ll be paranoid he’s leaving us shortly.

[Spijed]

Dyche does his best with the limited resources available to him. That "best" has kept us in the PL year on year.
Yes, he's signed some stinkers but they all do. The difference is the bigger clubs can afford to take a loss on their poor signings.

I honestly don't think anyone would do/would have done any better with those same resources to call on.

Exactly. Chelsea signed Kepa for over £70 million yet have just written that off as one of things that happen from time to time.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Do you think Burnley would win the Dutch league? I'm not so sure.

That's not the point. The point is we have to pay what we pay because of the market and league we are in.

Would Burnley win the Dutch league if they were still getting the £140 ish million a season, yes.

Would we win it with the resources that the Dutch teams get, no.

[TVC15]

It was just one example. What about Rangers? Seville? Atalanta?

What about them ?
None of them play in the Premier League.
You honestly think that Rangers would survive in the Premier League for as long as we have.
The 3 leagues these teams play in (especially Scotland) have nowhere near the strength in depth that the Premier league does. Plus each of these leagues have completely different models for TV revenue to our league. Our wage bill is what it is because of the more equitable split of TV revenues.
Atlanta, Seville and Rangers tend to finish in their league in positions relative to their financial strength.

[dibraidio]

Dyche needs another step before being ready for a top job. He needs to prove that he can take a bigger budget club to higher than 7th. A team like Villa, West Ham, Newcastle. Dyche could be in management for another 20 years. Don't write him off yet.

[NewClaret]

95% of football clubs manage to play a better style of football than us on far less budget. It's how Dyche wants to play.
Managers don't get 8 years to evolve like Dyche has.

He could get better players in that do the same jobs better with a bigger budget, but his style won't change.

Not in the Prem. We have the lowest budget in the Prem as evidenced by our -£1m net spend this summer. Few, if any, survive in the Prem on a low budget trying to play pretty football. Norwich and Bournemouth being last seasons victims.

I did say My honest opinion is that Dyche likes to “mix it up”. Play on the deck in parts, hit the the front two quickly in others. The issue this season has been that we’ve been under more pressure in opening games and in such situations revert to type very quickly and hoof it long.

Spurs sat back against us. Mourinho played a couple of his big lads to counter our aerial threat (whether he should be doing that against us is another matter) and as a consequence we played better football and looked okay despite getting beat in the end.

We can play football, when the game allows. I think if Dyche was given a £100m budget - as some promoted clubs have been given - we’d see more of it.

[kendalianclaret]

Come on Elizabeth stop talking common sense, you will not get many on here to see it this way, quite a few on this message board need to give themselves a slap, we have slagged Leeds and Forest fans off in the past for living on their past glories thinking they are still top teams, but times move on, we have had some great league finishes in past few years and all of a sudden some think we are suddenly a top team, we have got their through major effort and good management, we should be thankful for what we have with our club, yes we could do with a bit more quality in depth and it would be great to have a bit more funding in the club, but their are no major investors other than the board we have had for years, it's difficult with fans not being able to attend at the moment but in someway may be a godsend because the atmosphere on the turf could be quite toxic at the moment which again wouldn't help, the fact we arn't getting hammered every week is good and we arn't conceding many so i think it's to early to panic things will start to improve.
I think Sean Dyche has done a fantastic job for Burnley and hope it long continues, maybe a bit more encouragement, i often wonder what the players and management staff think when they read some of the comments on this message board.UTC

[CleggHall]

What a sentence?
Take a breath and find a full stop!

[Spiral]

He does my head in
But he’s best for us and we’re best for him

I don't think there's a more accurate and precise assessment of the situation than that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why exactly? Because he's managing an "unfashionable" club? He'd be a huge improvement on Solskjaer.

Solskjaer isn't the problem at Utd, or at least not the whe problem.

The people running the club aren't football people.

Take a look at Bayern Munich who won the CL recently and see their overall management structure.
Oliver Kahn is set to replace another former player as top man.

They've spent a great deal less than Utd since Fergie left and have more to show for it.

The culture/mentality at Utd is the issue, fix that and they'll become genuine contenders again.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The last known known wage bill was 90m with bonuses.

Ajax have a 40/50m wage bill. Now I'm not saying Ajax would stay in the premier league for 5 years but they seem to do pretty well.

Your Ajax numbers are a little out.

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[Quickenthetempo]

Your Ajax numbers are a little out.

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Yeah, as soon as you see wages there always at least a year out.
Is the rise because of the champions league semi final run?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Dyche may get another Premier League job but he won’t get a top job. Tactical limitations, regardless of budget. I’m not sure he sees the problem up front, whereas at the back, being a former defender, he seems expert at sorting it out.

Since Vydra was dropped as the fall guy after Newcastle away, we have played 16 Premier League games and only scored more than once on two occasions - Norwich away, who were down and out before we played them, and our consolation at Leicester.

That is 1,440 minutes of football. The late subs and refusal to change the attack in those games shows his tactical limitations. I’m not saying Vydra is the answer, but managers have to try different things when in a rut, at least for the last half hour not 6 minutes. Our record (going back years) of coming from behind is appalling. It’s the equivalent of Southgate insisting on only having a goalie who can pass the ball, even if they flap at crosses or are out of form, Dyche just likes a big guy (ideally two) up front.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yeah, as soon as you see wages there always at least a year out.
Is the rise because of the champions league semi final run?

The turnover was higher as stated due to CL run, which is why the wages to turnover was only 45%.
They've also got zero debts.

Just showing that they've got a comparable wage bill to us, but far superior youth system, reputation around Europe etc.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Come on Elizabeth stop talking common sense, you will not get many on here to see it this way, quite a few on this message board need to give themselves a slap, we have slagged Leeds and Forest fans off in the past for living on their past glories thinking they are still top teams, but times move on, we have had some great league finishes in past few years and all of a sudden some think we are suddenly a top team, we have got their through major effort and good management, we should be thankful for what we have with our club, yes we could do with a bit more quality in depth and it would be great to have a bit more funding in the club, but their are no major investors other than the board we have had for years, it's difficult with fans not being able to attend at the moment but in someway may be a godsend because the atmosphere on the turf could be quite toxic at the moment which again wouldn't help, the fact we arn't getting hammered every week is good and we arn't conceding many so i think it's to early to panic things will start to improve.
I think Sean Dyche has done a fantastic job for Burnley and hope it long continues, maybe a bit more encouragement, i often wonder what the players and management staff think when they read some of the comments on this message board.UTC

Think you and Elizabeth have missed the point.
I am not saying he is a bad manager in fact i said the opposite. He is great for Burnley. I am merely saying he won’t get another top job in the premier league purely down to the fact he would have been sacked by now at any other club in this league after the run we are on. Also worth noting that the playing style has one of the worst reputations in the league, brexit football as it is known on social media. I am not sure any other premier league would sign him purely for PR reasons.

However I think the next big move for Dyche eventually will be to go to a club like derby. Money to throw at getting promoted and then plenty of money when he is eventually up.

[boatshed bill]

Managing Burnley is a top job.

[jrgbfc]

Think you and Elizabeth have missed the point.
I am not saying he is a bad manager in fact i said the opposite. He is great for Burnley. I am merely saying he won’t get another top job in the premier league purely down to the fact he would have been sacked by now at any other club in this league after the run we are on. Also worth noting that the playing style has one of the worst reputations in the league, brexit football as it is known on social media. I am not sure any other premier league would sign him purely for PR reasons.

However I think the next big move for Dyche eventually will be to go to a club like derby. Money to throw at getting promoted and then plenty of money when he is eventually up.

I'd agree with that tbh. Could see someone like Derby or Forest offering him a big bonus if he got them promoted. Would also have the appeal of being a lot closer to his family home.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Managing Burnley is a top job.

Managing Burnley is not a top job currently.

Lowest budget in league both on wages and transfers. there are currently 16 teams in the division below with owners that have more money. Dyche is great for us and we are currently great for him, I do wonder if this takeover happens how long Dyche would last. I am not sure new owners would put up with what we have witnessed so far this season either results or performance wise.

[Spijed]

Think you and Elizabeth have missed the point.
I am not saying he is a bad manager in fact i said the opposite. He is great for Burnley. I am merely saying he won’t get another top job in the premier league purely down to the fact he would have been sacked by now at any other club in this league after the run we are on. Also worth noting that the playing style has one of the worst reputations in the league, brexit football as it is known on social media. I am not sure any other premier league would sign him purely for PR reasons.

However I think the next big move for Dyche eventually will be to go to a club like derby. Money to throw at getting promoted and then plenty of money when he is eventually up.

Didn't we make a bid for Hakim Ziyech, now at Chelsea?

Along with Steven Defour, it's clearly obvious he wants to play attractive football if the budget allows.

You don't sign players like that if you want to play a certain way.