Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:14 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:12 pm
Didn't we make a bid for Hakim Ziyech, now at Chelsea?

Along with Steven Defour, it's clearly obvious he wants to play attractive football if the budget allows.

You don't sign players like that if you want to play a certain way.
I’m sorry but there are players out there that can player a better style in our budget. Dyche has chose to play this style of football, which is why he is still at Burnley. If it was slightly more attractive he would be at a bigger club already simple as that.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Spijed » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:14 pm
I’m sorry but there are players out there that can player a better style in our budget. Dyche has chose to play this style of football, which is why he is still at Burnley. If it was slightly more attractive he would be at a bigger club already simple as that.
But the point is, he's clearly targeted some really good players, who are fantastic on the ball.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Stayingup » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:12 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:55 am
Dyche wasted that 1 million and 40k a week wage. Nobody else.
And needing a midfield player - as Cork is injured and probably too old - what other experienced player could the ' club' have bought for a million?

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:12 pm
And needing a midfield player - as Cork is injured and probably too old - what other experienced player could the ' club' have bought for a million?
I would rather the U23s were used for emergencies.

Experienced normally means slow.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Spijed » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:26 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:20 pm
I would rather the U23s were used for emergencies.

Experienced normally means slow.
Steven Defour had no speed.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:41 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:12 pm
Didn't we make a bid for Hakim Ziyech, now at Chelsea?

Along with Steven Defour, it's clearly obvious he wants to play attractive football if the budget allows.

You don't sign players like that if you want to play a certain way.
Yes we did try to sign him and the usual morons on here copped the arse when he chose Ajax over us and whinged

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:01 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:10 pm
Managing Burnley is not a top job currently.

Lowest budget in league both on wages and transfers. there are currently 16 teams in the division below with owners that have more money. Dyche is great for us and we are currently great for him, I do wonder if this takeover happens how long Dyche would last. I am not sure new owners would put up with what we have witnessed so far this season either results or performance wise.
It's as much a top job as he wants to make it.
Truth is that had he been offered the job for this season, whilst at a lower placed club (with BFC 10th last season) he'd have jumped at it.
He's gone on about investment being the only criteria that matters for far too long in my opinion.it's always there as an excuse when we are doing not so well.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:26 pm
Steven Defour had no speed.
Apart from speed of thought, of course ;)

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:11 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:26 pm
Steven Defour had no speed.
He had a yard of pace when needed but I don't think Dyche signed him just for his experience.
He had a lot more to offer.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by claret54 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:40 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:19 am
Does anyone actually still think Dyche is going to get a bigger job?
Yes I do. He's done a fantastic job for Burnley. Got a great track record. And I hope he stays at Burnley.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:50 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:01 pm
It's as much a top job as he wants to make it.
Truth is that had he been offered the job for this season, whilst at a lower placed club (with BFC 10th last season) he'd have jumped at it.
He's gone on about investment being the only criteria that matters for far too long in my opinion.it's always there as an excuse when we are doing not so well.
Would he?

So if he finished with villa or West Ham last season he would jump at the chance for Burnley would he?

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:50 pm
Would he?

So if he finished with villa or West Ham last season he would jump at the chance for Burnley would he?
I was more thinking of a club below EPL level TBH,

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by CnBtruntru » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:44 pm

Doesn't he already have one!
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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Goobs » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:05 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:51 am
Out of interst how do you think Mourinho, Guardiola or any other manager would have this threadbare, under invested team performing? We finished 10th last season and bought a has been for 1 million and let others go. That is adding perspective to Dyche"s management of this current team
Would that be the same Mourinho who won the Champs league with Porto?
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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:16 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:17 am
This is why Dyche will never end up at a top club, he is so one dimensional. When it clicks we are a good team that is hard to beat. Any other team in the league and he is sacked this season.

He is great for us, but fans need to start being realistic Dyche is going absolutely know where unless he is sacked.

Are you moaning that he is still here or moaning that no top club has come in for him ?

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by gtclaret » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:29 am

The fact is, despite his success, he hasn't been offered a top job. Poch got his chance at Spurs despite relatively less success at Southampton, so it's fair to say that the big clubs don't fancy him.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Stayingup » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:11 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:35 pm
What about them ?
None of them play in the Premier League.
You honestly think that Rangers would survive in the Premier League for as long as we have.
The 3 leagues these teams play in (especially Scotland) have nowhere near the strength in depth that the Premier league does. Plus each of these leagues have completely different models for TV revenue to our league. Our wage bill is what it is because of the more equitable split of TV revenues.
Atlanta, Seville and Rangers tend to finish in their league in positions relative to their financial strength.
Actually 8-0 does prove your point!!!

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:54 am

Stayingup wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:11 am
Actually 8-0 does prove your point!!!
It wasn't so long back the premier league champions got stuffed 7-2.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:54 am
It wasn't so long back the premier league champions got stuffed 7-2.
Was that by the team who have spent going on for £200m on new players in less than 18 months since being promoted ?

As already mentioned I’m still not really sure about the original point you were trying to make - not sure you are either tbh !

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:18 pm
Was that by the team who have spent going on for £200m on new players in less than 18 months since being promoted ?

As already mentioned I’m still not really sure about the original point you were trying to make - not sure you are either tbh !
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The original point was you can play better football than Dycheball and survive in the premier league on our budget.

Judging Rangers on their European results, most would say they're a better side than Burnley. I know you won't because you pick a side and then argue to your death.
But seeing as it's an opinion based debate a formal result could never be achieved. So best to just give your opinion and move on.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Top Claret » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:50 pm

He might never get a top club although he deserves one.

What he doesn't deserve is to manage a club like he does now, whoes directors have only one thing in mind and that is to sell the club, with what appears to have no consideration for the clubs future as a premier league side.

From good owners Garlick and Polish Pete are turning out to be the opposite in not backing Dyche. If the lack of investment back fires and we get relegated with them still owners, they will only have themselves to blame and deserve the personal financial hit that it will bring

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:02 pm

I think you are winning by a long way the “arguing to death” contest....look how many posts you are making about how bad we are and blaming Dyche.

Right now - over a period of less than a dozen games - Rangers might well look a better side than us. Based on results this year domestic and Europe - Dundalk probably look better than us too !

But that’s not what I was saying - you were using the likes of Ajax (which you got the wage bill wrong), Seville, Atlanta etc as a comparison of what Burnley could do with a lower wage bill than we do now.
My point was that is irrelevant as the wage bills were all relative to the leagues each of the teams play in. We are at the bottom end of wage bill and all the other teams you mentioned perform pretty much relative to where they sit in financial terms within their respective leagues.

Style of football is irrelevant too. That’s the choice of the manager. Teams like Norwich had lower wage bills but tried to play prettier football - how did it work out for them ?
Dyche has been the most successful manager at Burnley since the 1960s.....
...,your opinion of him seems to be that he’s rubbish. That’s fine - I disagree just like the vast majority of Burnley fans do.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:02 pm
I think you are winning by a long way the “arguing to death” contest....look how many posts you are making about how bad we are and blaming Dyche.

Right now - over a period of less than a dozen games - Rangers might well look a better side than us. Based on results this year domestic and Europe - Dundalk probably look better than us too !

But that’s not what I was saying - you were using the likes of Ajax (which you got the wage bill wrong), Seville, Atlanta etc as a comparison of what Burnley could do with a lower wage bill than we do now.
My point was that is irrelevant as the wage bills were all relative to the leagues each of the teams play in. We are at the bottom end of wage bill and all the other teams you mentioned perform pretty much relative to where they sit in financial terms within their respective leagues.

Style of football is irrelevant too. That’s the choice of the manager. Teams like Norwich had lower wage bills but tried to play prettier football - how did it work out for them ?
Dyche has been the most successful manager at Burnley since the 1960s.....
...,your opinion of him seems to be that he’s rubbish. That’s fine - I disagree just like the vast majority of Burnley fans do.
My opinion of Dyche like most others, is he has done brilliant results wise. But entertainment wise he plays a very dull brand of football.

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Re: Dyche won’t ever get a top job in Premier league

Post by TVC15 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:53 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:33 pm
My opinion of Dyche like most others, is he has done brilliant results wise. But entertainment wise he plays a very dull brand of football.
And mine is that some of the football under Dyche has been very entertaining and some not so but I ain’t that bothered because I’m very much entertained by the success we have had under him which I never thought I would see as a Burnley fan.

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