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One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by Mala591 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:27 am

To increase the technical quality and 'quicken the tempo' of our squad. Wages might need to increase to the 'obscene' level of £75,000 a week.

Will either our proposed buyers be able to afford such an investment (is this what they are proposing to do?) and will it be enough for Sean Dyche to develop the squad to the next level as an attacking and entertaining PL team?

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Post by Shaggy » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:36 am

Transfers don’t always have to cost in the long run though. We could buy in a player for a said amount develop the player then sell on for 2/3 x higher a couple of years later.

Unless we get a lavish amount on money thrown at us that has to be the way forward in the long term for our club.

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Post by Dyched » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:39 am

Shaggy wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:36 am
Transfers don’t always have to cost in the long run though. We could buy in a player for a said amount develop the player then sell on for 2/3 x higher a couple of years later.

Unless we get a lavish amount on money thrown at us that has to be the way forward in the long term for our club.
We’ve done that in the past few years. Fans then whinge we’ve sold our best players and not have a ready replacement. It’s great in theory, but highly unlikely you can keep doing it, especially at this level.

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Post by Stayingup » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:01 pm

As we all know the transfer market can be very tough and buying doesn't always work out well. There are many examples of that. For us though we have to have value for money. We signed Vydra for 10 -11 mill and Gibson for 15 and neither is/was a first yeam fixture. Maybe this is an issue between Dyche and Garlick too. Maybe Gibson was signed because Mee was vacillating over signing a new contract. As things turned out he would have been in the team now. Garlick probably thinks spending those amounts the players should be in the team and should improve it. I do really.
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Post by Conroy92 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:44 pm

I'm not sure we need one £20-30mil pound player. I think if we bought 2/3 10-15m players of the right age we might only have to do this once every two seasons, rather than spend every window.

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:10 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:27 am
To increase the technical quality and 'quicken the tempo' of our squad. Wages might need to increase to the 'obscene' level of £75,000 a week.

Will either our proposed buyers be able to afford such an investment (is this what they are proposing to do?) and will it be enough for Sean Dyche to develop the squad to the next level as an attacking and entertaining PL team?
Sign me up.

I was down the training ground this afternoon watching the reserves from the woods. So I know my way in. It was quite a muddy De tour just to see who was training.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:14 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:10 pm
Sign me up.

I was down the training ground this afternoon watching the reserves from the woods. So I know my way in. It was quite a muddy De tour just to see who was training.
That was you? The Mrs was walking the dog and came home saying there was a man hiding in the bushes with binoculars, thank God for that, last thing I need is to be given that job as well
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:16 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:14 pm
That was you? The Mrs was walking the dog and came home saying there was a man hiding in the bushes with binoculars, thank God for that, last thing I need is to be given that job as well
She was startled and ran away. I only chased her to try and calm her down.
Will you buy her a bunch of flowers from me and tell her I'm sorry.
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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:33 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:27 am
To increase the technical quality and 'quicken the tempo' of our squad. Wages might need to increase to the 'obscene' level of £75,000 a week.

Will either our proposed buyers be able to afford such an investment (is this what they are proposing to do?) and will it be enough for Sean Dyche to develop the squad to the next level as an attacking and entertaining PL team?

If we have wage equality we'd be paying the thick end of £2m per week in squad wages! Thats the PL money all but spent.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:33 pm
If we have wage equality we'd be paying the thick end of £2m per week in squad wages! Thats the PL money all but spent.
What do you call £90m per year?

Not far off.

Some (sidney, dry youre eyes love!) will deny we pay more than tuppence a week but clearly the fact is there are members of our team already on £75k per week

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm

Matty Cash cost Villa 15 million quid, you don't need to spend 30 on a player

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:52 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm
What do you call £90m per year?

Not far off.

Some (sidney, dry youre eyes love!) will deny we pay more than tuppence a week but clearly the fact is there are members of our team already on £75k per week
You may well be right.
Yes £90m in PL squad wages, then there's manager and coaches for 3 teams.
Beyond our budget, methinks, and we've bought no-one. So at least no agents' fees ;)

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:05 pm

Dyche as made some great signings not sure we need to spend £20 - 30 million on one player. 90% of his signings north of £10 million have been terrible!

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:14 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:05 pm
Dyche as made some great signings not sure we need to spend £20 - 30 million on one player. 90% of his signings north of £10 million have been terrible!
That's wrong for starters.

Also, are you always this boring?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm
What do you call £90m per year?

Not far off.

Some (sidney, dry youre eyes love!) will deny we pay more than tuppence a week but clearly the fact is there are members of our team already on £75k per week
I don't need to dry my eyes sunshine.

I can provide proof we don't pay £75k a week to any of our players, I've done that before on here recently because some other pillock made a similar false claim.

Dyche is the highest earner, that includes the playing staff.

Do I need to wait long for you to prove your claim is accurate?

Ps, you can't.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:18 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:05 pm
Dyche as made some great signings not sure we need to spend £20 - 30 million on one player. 90% of his signings north of £10 million have been terrible!
Would agree there are some bargains a lot less than £30m. eg Robertson of Liverpool, Henderson Liverpool, Bowen West Ham, our own Charlie Taylor, Michael Keane, Westwood, Nick Pope. I suspect all four of the Burnley players in total were around £15m. Brookes at Bournemouth another example. We need better scouting ands greater impulse to buy and move quickly. If our recent transfer activity is anything to go by, we might complete the takeover within 3 years if lucky

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:22 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:18 pm
Would agree there are some bargains a lot less than £30m. eg Robertson of Liverpool, Henderson Liverpool, Bowen West Ham, our own Charlie Taylor, Michael Keane, Westwood, Nick Pope. I suspect all four of the Burnley players in total were around £15m. Brookes at Bournemouth another example. We need better scouting ands greater impulse to buy and move quickly. If our recent transfer activity is anything to go by, we might complete the takeover within 3 years if lucky
SD has admitted recently that there are no bargains to be had now from the lower leagues.
And the bargains you show, Robertson etc are on substantially better contracts than we could have offered at any time.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:22 pm
SD has admitted recently that there are no bargains to be had now from the lower leagues.
And the bargains you show, Robertson etc are on substantially better contracts than we could have offered at any time.
I would expect most PL clubs can offer better contracts, however I understand we were close to him signing and Liverpool stepped in at the last minute. Maybe if we had moved quicker he would have been on our books

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:14 pm
That's wrong for starters.

Also, are you always this boring?
Whats wrong darling

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm
I don't need to dry my eyes sunshine.

I can provide proof we don't pay £75k a week to any of our players, I've done that before on here recently because some other pillock made a similar false claim.

Dyche is the highest earner, that includes the playing staff.

Do I need to wait long for you to prove your claim is accurate?

Ps, you can't.
Why does the fact we pay players in excess of what you deem them to earn so upsetting to you?

U ok hun?

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:16 pm
I don't need to dry my eyes sunshine.

I can provide proof we don't pay £75k a week to any of our players, I've done that before on here recently because some other pillock made a similar false claim.

Dyche is the highest earner, that includes the playing staff.

Do I need to wait long for you to prove your claim is accurate?

Ps, you can't.
You also STRUGGLE to deal with the concept that players are not all paid the same. Why is this?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:04 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Why does the fact we pay players in excess of what you deem them to earn so upsetting to you?

U ok hun?
Let's see your proof then sweetheart, oh wait, you haven't got any so you'll sit on here being a berk in the meantime.

Ben Mee is our highest paid player and its less then the figure you've pulled out of your earhole.
I already know that, I've done the research before as mentioned.

Until you can come back with some facts, I'll treat you with the disdain that you deserve.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:00 pm
You also STRUGGLE to deal with the concept that players are not all paid the same. Why is this?
Where have I ever struggled with it?

It's clear that I've got a better idea than you about what our players earn, Ben Mee being the highest earner.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:49 pm
Whats wrong darling
Just trying to work out who at the club has upset you, for you to carry on chatting rubbish.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:04 pm
Let's see your proof then sweetheart, oh wait, you haven't got any so you'll sit on here being a berk in the meantime.

Ben Mee is our highest paid player and its less then the figure you've pulled out of your earhole.
I already know that, I've done the research before as mentioned.

Until you can come back with some facts, I'll treat you with the disdain that you deserve.

You do that love, after you've dried your eyes!

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:07 pm

So none then, glad we've cleared that up.

I'll just carry on laughing at the crap you spout then.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 pm

Yeah well... who are we paying the remaining 50-60 million quid a year to? (going off your numbers)

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 pm
Just trying to work out who at the club has upset you, for you to carry on chatting rubbish.
So you think gibson, Brady, hendrick, vydra proved good value?

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Post by Steve1956 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:36 pm

Paying 30 million for a player and paying wages of 75,000 a week for the privilege is about at least another 10 years away and if we dont sustain Premier league football,it wont ever happen

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:39 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 pm
So you think gibson, Brady, hendrick, vydra proved good value?
Ah good, you've got a list but strangely it's incomplete.

5 players over £10 million

Wood = has been a great buy for his goals return.

Hendrick = first choice during his time here, I think only a couple of players have made more appearances during the same time, but yes I think we got value for money at £10.5 million.

Brady = looked good to start with, but now just can't seem to get going again after injuries.
Still got time, but jury is out in him.

Vydra = shows he can do it when given a decent run, but Dyche won't give him more game time weirdly.
Hard to judge him fairly when he rarely plays and can't get a rhythm going.

Gibson = we all know there's a PL player in there, but he was unfortunate to have Mee and Tarkowski in front of him and even when Mee had a loss of form Dyche didn't give him a chance.

Now anyone with sense would look at Dyche being part of the problem with Gibson and Vydra, but that quite possibly rules you out based on your recent form on here.

A player who sneaks in at £10 million

Jay Rod = very good signing for the price, especially as many on here were demanding we paid more the season before :roll:

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:40 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 pm
Yeah well... who are we paying the remaining 50-60 million quid a year to? (going off your numbers)
If you want a full break down of the figures go badger Chester or Royboy, you're boring the nuts off me.

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:53 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:39 pm
Ah good, you've got a list but strangely it's incomplete.

5 players over £10 million

Wood = has been a great buy for his goals return.

Hendrick = first choice during his time here, I think only a couple of players have made more appearances during the same time, but yes I think we got value for money at £10.5 million.

Brady = looked good to start with, but now just can't seem to get going again after injuries.
Still got time, but jury is out in him.

Vydra = shows he can do it when given a decent run, but Dyche won't give him more game time weirdly.
Hard to judge him fairly when he rarely plays and can't get a rhythm going.

Gibson = we all know there's a PL player in there, but he was unfortunate to have Mee and Tarkowski in front of him and even when Mee had a loss of form Dyche didn't give him a chance.

Now anyone with sense would look at Dyche being part of the problem with Gibson and Vydra, but that quite possibly rules you out based on your recent form on here.

A player who sneaks in at £10 million

Jay Rod = very good signing for the price, especially as many on here were demanding we paid more the season before :roll:
Incomplete because Wood was a good signing, the rest were poor signings for the price and return we've had from them.

Whats Jay Rod got to do with it? Was he £10 million +?

Clearly Dyche is the problem

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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:40 pm
If you want a full break down of the figures go badger Chester or Royboy, you're boring the nuts off me.
I'm asking you for YOUR figures. Why won't you give them since you're "in the know"
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:02 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:53 pm
Incomplete because Wood was a good signing, the rest were poor signings for the price and return we've had from them.

Whats Jay Rod got to do with it? Was he £10 million +?

Clearly Dyche is the problem
Jay Rod will be £10 million when the second installment is paid.

You're leaving players out just so you can focus on the negatives, which gives an incomplete picture of the situation.

Yes Dyche is part of the problem.
Gibson didn't help himself after doing something to get himself sent away by the club.

Impressed that a first team regular is classed as a poor signing, but hey ho, you're all clearly experts in the field.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:04 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:55 pm
I'm asking you for YOUR figures. Why won't you give them since you're "in the know"
You're the one making unsubstantiated claims we are paying players £75k a week, so how about you back up your claims first seeing as you started it, which of course you'll be able to do won't you?

When you've managed that, we can carry on chatting, but I'll be in for a long wait I already know that.

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Post by Blackburn_Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:07 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:02 pm
Jay Rod will be £10 million when the second installment is paid.

You're leaving players out just so you can focus on the negatives, which gives an incomplete picture of the situation.

Yes Dyche is part of the problem.
Gibson didn't help himself after doing something to get himself sent away by the club.

Impressed that a first team regular is classed as a poor signing, but hey ho, you're all clearly experts in the field.
Left him out because I said 90% of them were bad signings. Sorry it was only 80%.

Hendrick was terrible for us and even worse for Newcastle. 1 good game in 10 isn't good value

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:07 pm
Left him out because I said 90% of them were bad signings. Sorry it was only 80%.

Hendrick was terrible for us and even worse for Newcastle. 1 good game in 10 isn't good value
So terrible he was first choice for the majority of his time here, amazing.

Newcastle are a mess, that's the norm.
Personally I hope he does well at Newcastle, but if he doesn't then so be it.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:17 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:07 pm
Left him out because I said 90% of them were bad signings. Sorry it was only 80%.

Hendrick was terrible for us and even worse for Newcastle. 1 good game in 10 isn't good value
Sorry, you got this one wrong.
Hendrick(s) in the No 10 role was instrumental for us.
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Post by Erasmus » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:40 pm

With the money we have available, we can't afford players who are certain to do well in the Premier League, or extremely likely to do well. So we have to get in those who have shown that they might become good Premier League players. As a result, it is inevitable that a fair few won't make that transition. It's just the way it is, and in fact we have done very well operating under those limitations. Blaming this person or that person is really not recognising the reality of the situation.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:44 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm
What do you call £90m per year?

Not far off.

Some (sidney, dry youre eyes love!) will deny we pay more than tuppence a week but clearly the fact is there are members of our team already on £75k per week
Just to be clear, there are no players at Burnley earning £75k per week, not even close.

The wage bill in the last published accounts was £86.6m with an average of 255 employees over the year, 160 of those being players, managerial and training staff. Not difficult then to do the maths.
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Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:59 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:44 pm
Just to be clear, there are no players at Burnley earning £75k per week, not even close.

The wage bill in the last published accounts was £86.6m with an average of 255 employees over the year, 160 of those being players, managerial and training staff. Not difficult then to do the maths.
Ok mate. I believe you

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Post by CombatClaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:12 pm

This is why football is where it is, the price tag is the first thing people judge a player or a club by.

Fans don't get annoyed if the players they signed don't have a high enough Xg or tackles per game, instead they get annoyed because they didn't cost enough.

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:44 pm
Just to be clear, there are no players at Burnley earning £75k per week, not even close.

The wage bill in the last published accounts was £86.6m with an average of 255 employees over the year, 160 of those being players, managerial and training staff. Not difficult then to do the maths.
So of the money left over from our squad bill the rest of the club staff are on an average of £250k a year? That's a lot of money for an apprentice footballer or office junior. You clown!

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:25 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:13 pm
So of the money left over from our squad bill the rest of the club staff are on an average of £250k a year? That's a lot of money for an apprentice footballer or office junior. You clown!
Where the hell are you getting these numbers from?
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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by NewClaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:45 pm
Matty Cash cost Villa 15 million quid, you don't need to spend 30 on a player
Has he been any good though? Not really watched Villa this year.

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by NewClaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:44 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:16 pm
She was startled and ran away. I only chased her to try and calm her down.
Will you buy her a bunch of flowers from me and tell her I'm sorry.
Should probably have put your pants up first though mate... :lol:

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by tiger76 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:52 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:39 pm
Has he been any good though? Not really watched Villa this year.
Neither have I apart from the MOTD highlights, he's played in all 7 PL games. and they've won 5 and lost 2, however if my stats are correct he doesn't yet have a goal or an assist to his name, now of course that doesn't tell the whole story, but it does suggest he's not finding the jump to the PL as easy as some thought, he is still only young though, and they have signed him for the long term, so I don't think Dean Smith will be rushing to any rash decisions about him just yet.

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:04 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:44 pm
I'm not sure we need one £20-30mil pound player. I think if we bought 2/3 10-15m players of the right age we might only have to do this once every two seasons, rather than spend every window.
You don't even need to that but you are on the right lines, early identification is key you can pick players up for a lot less if you get in early enough, clubs who are successful with the right approach spend more money on scouting & increase the numbers watching hence picking them off at the right time.

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Re: One £20-30 million player every year...

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:48 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:39 pm
Has he been any good though? Not really watched Villa this year.
excellent

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