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US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:25 pm

Thought I'd start a separate thread to avoid cluttering up the NAP league one. Feels strange to be playing it at this time of year, normally to me it signifies the start of summer, and getting the golf clubs out myself.
I've backed Patrick Cantlay, Tyrell Hatton and Tony Finau. With a bit of rain forecast it looks like the bigger hitters are going to have even more of an advantage. Just hoping Bryson doesn't win, or if he does it's at least close on the final day to keep it interesting.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Jakubs Tash » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:35 pm

Agree that Dechambeau wouldn't be a popular winner BUT credit where it is due because a lot of golf fans have been caught up with how powerful his game is and seem to have turned a blind eye to the fact that his short game has also been outstanding. That's the reason he has had so much success in these last few months - it's not all about hitting it 30 yards further than some of the others with a driver.

Finau has been excellent in the previous 2 years and I can also see DJ and Morikawa being in contention.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Lord_Bob » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:41 pm

Torn about DeShambles at the Masters. Very disagreeable chap, BUT, should he win with his "bomb and gouge" game, it might be the final straw and the powers that be might finally start to rein in the technology so that the pros need more than driver, 3-wood, putter and 11 wedges to play.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:15 pm

Jon Rahm for me.....The masters is all about getting the ball below the hole.
I think he's got the all-round game to win it.
Tyrell Hatton is playing very well too.

Just curious, why do people find DeChambeau so disagreeable?

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Re: US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:16 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:35 pm
Agree that Dechambeau wouldn't be a popular winner BUT credit where it is due because a lot of golf fans have been caught up with how powerful his game is and seem to have turned a blind eye to the fact that his short game has also been outstanding. That's the reason he has had so much success in these last few months - it's not all about hitting it 30 yards further than some of the others with a driver.

Finau has been excellent in the previous 2 years and I can also see DJ and Morikawa being in contention.
Yeah no matter how far he hits it he'll still have to chip and putt well to win at Augusta. Finau has got a great record in the majors but he seems to struggle to convert his form into wins. Think he's only ever won once on the PGA tour.

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Re: US Masters

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:19 pm

Another who doesn't get the dislike of DeChambeau, nobody seemed to mind when people like Daly were much longer than others and it didn't automatically mean he won things.

Rahm to beat McIIroy
Johnson to beat Thomas
Hatton to beat Reed

72 hole treble

Backed Cantlay & Schauffele each way

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Re: US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:46 pm

Would like to see Rory win it but no way I'd back him in a major now.

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Re: US Masters

Post by MT03ALG » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:59 pm

Xander Schaeuffele for me - I like his name (the little shovel)

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Re: US Masters

Post by ClaretDiver » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:54 am

Anyone see Rahm's hole in one on his practice round on hole 16...incredible!

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Re: US Masters

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:19 am

ClaretDiver wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:54 am
Anyone see Rahm's hole in one on his practice round on hole 16...incredible!
One of the best things I have ever seen done on a golf course. Absolutely incredible

https://twitter.com/FOBRacing/status/13 ... 53089?s=01
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Re: US Masters

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:36 am

I backed Bubba at long enough odds a couple of months ago. He’s had a really good season and as a 2 times previous winner odds off 55/1 were far too generous ! The shape of his shots is perfect for Augusta.

At the top of the market obviously DeChambeau has a massive chance - any wet conditions just improves that because he is often carrying his drives 370 yards so not relying on any roll anyway. But for me his odds are way too short and his statistics for this season not actually that good in a number of areas which will be needed this week.

I think DJ and Thomas have massive chances.

I usually back Xander Schauffele in the majors but not this time as I think price is too short for a player who has yet to win a major - he’s come very close several times I know but to be going down the back 9 on a Sunday at Augusta to win your first would be massive pressure.

I backed Matthew Wolff at decent odds a couple of months ago - he’s not far behind DeChambeau in distance off the tee to be honest - hits it a mile and had a great season.

Of the very long outsiders I think Van Rooyen available at 170/1 has an outside chance of top 10 (couple of bookies doing each way first 11 or 10)

Of the Brits I think Rory (but can’t back him), Fitzpatrick at 66s and Hatton have the best chances - but on Hatton I think the ship has sailed in terms of betting value as he’s too short now for me.

If this week is going to be all about how far you can carry the ball another one who hits it a long long way is Cameron Champ - he’s still around 70/1.

Can’t wait for it to start tomorrow and will be glued to it for 4 days. Tiger winning it last year was and will always be one of my favourite ever sporting moments.

Enjoy
(And what an incredible shot from Rambo Rahm !!!)

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Re: US Masters

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:29 am

I’m intrigued as to how the kate autumn conditions affect things. Normally at Augusta they shut the course down for 5 months between May and October and kill all the ryegrass, giving the underlying Bermuda grass chance to recover. The ryegrass (perfect for winter play) is then over-seeded again in autumn to give members a great course to play on, and this lasts until spring. This year, the Bermuda, which turns brown in autumn as it grows dormant, will be more dominant as the ryegrass won’t have had enough time to establish. Greens will be the same, the air drying system will see to that, but not fairways.

That, and the thunderstorms forecast, mean it will play long, long, long.

I cannot see any winner other than DeChambeau, as long as he drives fairly straight and putts well.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:41 am

ClaretDiver wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:54 am
Anyone see Rahm's hole in one on his practice round on hole 16...incredible!
I have seen it and it is an incredible shot. Question is, does he mean to skim it across the water like that or was it a scuffed shot and a massive fluke? I am thinking a top pro wouldn't mishit a shot so badly but also would a top pro at the Masters try what would essentially be a trick shot....

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Re: US Masters

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:09 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:41 am
I have seen it and it is an incredible shot. Question is, does he mean to skim it across the water like that or was it a scuffed shot and a massive fluke? I am thinking a top pro wouldn't mishit a shot so badly but also would a top pro at the Masters try what would essentially be a trick shot....
It WAS a trick shot. They were all having a go at it during a practice day yesterday....but not everybody managed to skim it 3x off the water and then get a hole in one. Incredible stuff.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:28 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:09 am
It WAS a trick shot. They were all having a go at it during a practice day yesterday....but not everybody managed to skim it 3x off the water and then get a hole in one. Incredible stuff.
Saw it as well and it is one of those great moments in sport which will deservedly be replayed many, many times irrespective of what his intentions were. Spectacular.
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Re: US Masters

Post by mikeS » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:37 am

Fantastic shot, fluke or not. Ive never seen anything like it.

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Re: US Masters

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:41 am

No way is it a fluke.
I remember Vijay Sing bounced one across the water deliberately a few years ago at Augusta in the par 3 comp.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:47 am

Before the advent of Cam-corders, phone cameras etc, the record for the longest ever televised putt was held ( for a few years ) by ..... Terry Wogan, when he drained a putt of over 100ft at Gleneagles, during " Pro-Celebrity Golf " in 1981 ... 8-) .

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Re: US Masters

Post by TVC15 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:07 pm

Just for you - Sir Terry draining a monster

https://twitter.com/HonestFrank/status/ ... 91168?s=01
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Re: US Masters

Post by ClaretDiver » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:50 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:41 am
I have seen it and it is an incredible shot. Question is, does he mean to skim it across the water like that or was it a scuffed shot and a massive fluke? I am thinking a top pro wouldn't mishit a shot so badly but also would a top pro at the Masters try what would essentially be a trick shot....
As others have said, many of the pro's, evidently, attempt to skim at this hole on their practice round....I bet he couldn't believe not only skimming it across but getting a hole in one!!!

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Re: US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:08 pm

I can't believe they couldn't have allowed a small number of fans in. Just give the tickets to local people who don't normally get the chance to go.

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Re: US Masters

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:16 pm

Trump loves golf they should have invited him for the 4 days.

Would have given them an opportunity to change all of the locks in the White House. :lol:
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Re: US Masters

Post by Winstonswhite » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:37 pm

Just getting underway now.

For me I think I’m going to enjoy it far more without the ridiculous shouting and whooping by the loud Yank fans
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Re: US Masters

Post by Dyched » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:07 pm

Nicklaus won his 6th Masters 23 years after his first. He went into it 33rd in the world.

If Woods wins this week it’ll be his 6th Masters, 23 years after his first. You can guess where he’s ranked going into this week.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:48 pm

Very early days, but Lee Westwod's throwing darts out there, he's -5 through 9 holes and leads from Paul Casey, who's at -4 after 7 holes ( Casey started at the 10th ) .... 8-)

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Re: US Masters

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 pm

Casey now at -7 through 16, whilst Westwood is at -4 playing the last ....

I guess if you'd offered the whole field -4 playing Augusta National in November, on the first tee, they'd have put the driver back in the bag and shook your hand !!

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Re: US Masters

Post by icu81b4 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:41 pm

No green books allowed this week, so putts have to be read in the proper manner.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:02 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:37 pm
Just getting underway now.

For me I think I’m going to enjoy it far more without the ridiculous shouting and whooping by the loud Yank fans
GET IN THE HOLE! :lol:

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:11 pm

Many of the usual suspects topping the leaderboard, Tiger looking dangerous, he's always a threat at Augusta, DeChambeau can hit it as long as he likes, but if he keeps missing the fairways it won't help him.

Impressive opening rounds from Casey & Westwood, but it's early days yet, and the question must be can they maintain this standard over the 4 days.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:46 pm

Dustin Johnson on a roll -10 and pulling clear of the field, and Bernhard Langer rolling back the years -5 after back to back birdies, that would be a story if he won this week, Rory struggling to make the cut, he needs some magic and fast.

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Re: US Masters

Post by exilecanada » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:11 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:41 pm
No green books allowed this week, so putts have to be read in the proper manner.
Good! I've always been of the opinion green books should be banned at all tournaments. Reading greens is part of the skill set need to succeed at the top level.

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Re: US Masters

Post by icu81b4 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:25 pm

exilecanada wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:11 pm
Good! I've always been of the opinion green books should be banned at all tournaments. Reading greens is part of the skill set need to succeed at the top level.
I understand that may be the case soon.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:52 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:46 pm
Dustin Johnson on a roll -10 and pulling clear of the field, and Bernhard Langer rolling back the years -5 after back to back birdies, that would be a story if he won this week, Rory struggling to make the cut, he needs some magic and fast.
Mcilroy looks as if he just isn’t into his golf at the moment. He says lack of crowds is affecting him. Maybe needs to take a year off to get his mojo back

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Re: US Masters

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:17 pm

And Rory fights back with a fantastic 66. What do i know.

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Re: US Masters

Post by dougcollins » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:29 pm

Funny when he said 'If awards were given as to how far you can hit the ball I'd be worried'.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:41 pm

Some shocking putting on show today, Westwood & Woods missing 3 footers, that's criminal in a major.

DeChambeau heading home unless he turns it round.

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Re: US Masters

Post by TVC15 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:56 pm

62 year old Larry Mize averaged “only” 247 yards with his driving in the first round.
Dechambeau was hitting his drives around 150 yards further than Mize.

They both carded 2 under yesterday.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:03 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:56 pm
62 year old Larry Mize averaged “only” 247 yards with his driving in the first round.
Dechambeau was hitting his drives around 150 yards further than Mize.

They both carded 2 under yesterday.
Yep you can drive as long as you like, but if you can't get the ball in the hole you won't card a low score, the putting will always be key to winning any major, if you putt well you've got a chance even if you aren't hitting it miles off the tee.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:54 pm

A big hand for Bernhard Langer the history maker: At 63, Bernhard Langer has become the oldest player to make the cut at the Masters.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:03 pm

DeChambeau is having a nightmare, if he's lucky he'll make the cut, but he ain't going to be sporting the Green Jacket come Sunday.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:18 pm

That lost ball has crippled him. His head can’t handle it.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:19 pm

Tommy Fleetwood had a great day as well as Danny Willett.
Good chance of an Englishman winning.

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Re: US Masters

Post by icu81b4 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:53 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:18 pm
That lost ball has crippled him. His head can’t handle it.
When you hit the ball so far, and you have to rely on marshals and members of the public to find your ball then all of a sudden there are no marshals or public to spot for you.... welcome to normal golf.

His ball plugged in a wet part of the rough, he'd played the course 3 times before today, so should have known the ground was drenched in that area.

I think he is fun to watch, but have no sympathy.

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Re: US Masters

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:10 pm

A 4 way tie at the top of the leaderboard, but plenty of challengers lurking in the shadows, notably the defending champion amongst them.

It's shaping up for a thrilling weekend of golf, and you'd be better trying to pin the tail on the donkey than predict a winner out of that bunch.

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Re: US Masters

Post by MT03ALG » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:18 am

The Little Shovel is hanging in there !!

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Re: US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:31 am

Set up for a cracking weekend. I've backed Cantlay so plenty to keep me interested.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:27 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:29 am
I’m intrigued as to how the kate autumn conditions affect things. Normally at Augusta they shut the course down for 5 months between May and October and kill all the ryegrass, giving the underlying Bermuda grass chance to recover. The ryegrass (perfect for winter play) is then over-seeded again in autumn to give members a great course to play on, and this lasts until spring. This year, the Bermuda, which turns brown in autumn as it grows dormant, will be more dominant as the ryegrass won’t have had enough time to establish. Greens will be the same, the air drying system will see to that, but not fairways.

That, and the thunderstorms forecast, mean it will play long, long, long.

I cannot see any winner other than DeChambeau, as long as he drives fairly straight and putts well.
Overthinking things perhaps?

Rahm is clearly going to win!

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Re: US Masters

Post by Lord_Bob » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:25 am

Too early to write off DeShambles. He has an eagle putt on 13, still to play 15 (another eagle?) add a birdie on the way in and he could be -3, -4 after 2 rounds. Ain't done yet.

Hope I am completely wrong and he misses the cut (even though I napped him).

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Re: US Masters

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:16 pm

Looks like yet another major where Rory has only started to perform once he'd played himself out of contention with a dreadful first round.

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Re: US Masters

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:28 pm

Rory on a charge....to late?

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