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The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by conyoviejo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:22 am

Popped his clogs.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by tim_noone » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:26 am

Rip............oh hang on a minute!! :?

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by TomtheClaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:28 am

So finally Covid 19 has done something good.
Don't Rip

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by DCWat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:28 am

Good - hopefully long and slow.

No doubt one of the brothers will be in the press ASAP, being whiter than white himself!

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:34 am

I was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:35 am

The son of his first victim has gone on record as saying that whilst he didn't wish Sutcliffe dead, at least this has brought some degree of closure. A classy response, well done him.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:34 am
I was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.
Good news is still allowed.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 am

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:35 am
The son of his first victim has gone on record as saying that whilst he didn't wish Sutcliffe dead, at least this has brought some degree of closure. A classy response, well done him.
I forget his name, but met him at a conference in Birmingham. I wasn't aware who he was until he mentioned his mum as part of his speech.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:39 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 am
I forget his name, but met him at a conference in Birmingham. I wasn't aware who he was until he mentioned his mum as part of his speech.
His name is Richard McCann, Frank.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:41 am

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:39 am
His name is Richard McCann, Frank.
That's it. He was a very good speaker, I might add.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:43 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:34 am
I was going to start a thread, but don't think this sort of thing is allowed.
This thread should be fine until it gets hijacked by one of the usual suspects. As it stands it's not political or racial, but I can imagine where it could lead - unfortunately.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:45 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:41 am
That's it. He was a very good speaker, I might add.
He came over very well on a three part documentary shown on television last year. He went off the rails as a teenager following his mother's murder, but has put his life back together admirably.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by CaptainKirk » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:46 am

Rot in Hell.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:57 am

I knew his father, he’d drink in the local pub, two pints of bitter every night.

Never ever spoke about his son or family, said he had played football for Burnley’s B team.

A soft and gentle man, so far removed from what his son was.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by pushpinpussy » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:01 am

Friday the 13th.

Unlucky Peter lad.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Herts Clarets » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:04 am

On Wednesday evening i was trawling the Sky channels and spotted Britain's Most Evil Killers with Fred Dineage. It was Peter Sutcliffe on this episode. They spoke with a junior detective from the case and he had written to his superior officer with a list of reasons why they should further investigate Sutcliffe - the photo fit from a victim who survived as a prime example. He was basically ordered out of the office and berated in front of colleagues as the chief investigators were convinced "Wearside Jack" was the Ripper and Sutcliffe didn't fit the bill. Photo fit, boot prints, car spotted in red light areas, the £5 note found on the Manchester victim and an interview he carried out at the Sutcliffe house with Peter and Sonia were all disregarded because he didn't have a North East accent.....

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:05 am

Mrs Clarets4me was a young cashier for Yorkshire Bank at the time, and remembers being sent on a training course in Leeds. The staff, all female, were provided with a security guard, who escorted them from Hotel to Training centre and back every day, as well as out for a few drinks, on the penultimate night of the course ...

The next time any poster criticises any political group as " evil ", they need to look at this man as the benchmark !!

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:15 am

One of the letters that Wearside Jack sent to George Oldfield, head of the Ripper Squad, said something like " it's seven now, and you still haven't a clue". This was in February. In fact, Sutcliffe had killed his eighth victim in January, but the body was not found until March. Hence, Wearside Jack did not know about the eighth murder, so could not be the Ripper.

A Sunderland detective sergeant spotted this, and sent a report to Oldfield. It was ignored.

This enquiry was way beyond the capabilities of the West Yorkshire police.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:16 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:04 am
On Wednesday evening i was trawling the Sky channels and spotted Britain's Most Evil Killers with Fred Dineage. It was Peter Sutcliffe on this episode. They spoke with a junior detective from the case and he had written to his superior officer with a list of reasons why they should further investigate Sutcliffe - the photo fit from a victim who survived as a prime example. He was basically ordered out of the office and berated in front of colleagues as the chief investigators were convinced "Wearside Jack" was the Ripper and Sutcliffe didn't fit the bill. Photo fit, boot prints, car spotted in red light areas, the £5 note found on the Manchester victim and an interview he carried out at the Sutcliffe house with Peter and Sonia were all disregarded because he didn't have a North East accent.....
Yes, I remember watching a documentary on this which included everything the police failed to do. It was inexcusable. They went off the wearside Jack phonecall & letter with what appears to be just that - there didn't appear to be anything else that suggested the suspect could be from Newcastle, other than somebody saying they were the ripper.

And this was nothing to do with the lack of technology, DNA etc, it was down to a complete lack of common sense.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Silkyskills1 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:33 am

Just finished reading the book by Michael Bilton that concentrated on the investigation into trying to capture Sutcliffe. A very good read that sadly highlights the mistakes made by the investigation team. Descriptions provided by survivors gave a very accurate portrait of Sutcliffe and even mentioned his 'local accent'. Together with the £5 note he left on one of his Manchester victims that was found to have been issued in Bingley those mistakes probably cost the lives of at least three more women. His arrest itself was slightly fortuitous but thankfully the intuition of a young policeman helped bring to an end the destruction he wreaked over the north of England in the 70's and early 80's.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Caballo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:36 am

I used to work with a Geordie fella who was pulled in and questioned twice, he was a rep at the time and was regularly up and down the M1. Claims to this day that they played him the 'Wearside jack' tape in his 2nd interview and he told them it wasn't a geordie, said they were absolutely useless and went the colour of boiled sh1te when he dropped the bombshell, a steady flow of ever increasingly ranked officer were brought to his interview room to hear his proclamation 1st hand.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Herts Clarets » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:37 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:16 am
Yes, I remember watching a documentary on this which included everything the police failed to do. It was inexcusable. They went off the wearside Jack phonecall & letter with what appears to be just that - there didn't appear to be anything else that suggested the suspect could be from Newcastle, other than somebody saying they were the ripper.

And this was nothing to do with the lack of technology, DNA etc, it was down to a complete lack of common sense.
Saliva samples from the envelopes matched the bloodgroup of saliva samples found on victims. This was one of the points that led the detectives to believe that Wearside Jack was the Ripper.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:56 am

A different era and would have been caught sooner with modern methods. The police made mistakes though and Oldfield dismisses other policy officers valuable input. Thankfully Sutcliffe suffered in prison via attacks and knew he would never be released. The twisted hoaxer who indirectly caused further murders had an abject life and failed at killing himself. A day for the victims to have some closure and not this evil monster. I remember this being on the news as a child and how women feared going out alone at night.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:57 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:43 am
This thread should be fine until it gets hijacked by one of the usual suspects. As it stands it's not political or racial, but I can imagine where it could lead - unfortunately.
Would it not be more constructive not to preempt problems, the public should have been able to decide this year's ago but for 39 years until now the public have been denied any input despite some people getting up at the crack of dawn & toiling at work contributing to him sleeping in bed without a care in the world.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:03 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:37 am
Saliva samples from the envelopes matched the bloodgroup of saliva samples found on victims. This was one of the points that led the detectives to believe that Wearside Jack was the Ripper.
True, but that only narrowed it down to about 1.5 million people. They went off very poor evidence and seemed to totally rule out any other possibilities. Anybody with a bit about them would have put them as a suspect, but at the same time be very much looking elsewhere too, but they didn't appear to do that. They zoned in 100% on the Wearside Jack fella.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:12 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:01 am
Friday the 13th.

Unlucky Peter lad.
Well that made me chuckle.
:lol:

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:27 am

An evil man...whom I'm sure no one will miss.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Vintage Claret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:30 am

Hopefully he is now occupying a particularly unpleasant place in Hell along with Brady and Hindley, (and there's also a spot reserved for Ian Huntley)
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by harpers_perm » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:28 pm

Vintage Claret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:30 am
Hopefully he is now occupying a particularly unpleasant place in Hell along with Brady and Hindley, (and there's also a spot reserved for Ian Huntley)
Peter apparently had range of illnesses, let's hope Dr Shipman is on hand to give him the 'once over' when he arrives.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:35 pm

I only discovered a good friend of mine is friends with his brother a few months ago. His brother commented on one of his Facebook posts. On our next 48 hr fishing trip I had long chat about it with my friend. His brother told him that he started digging graves in Bingley and he was asked to do a night shift. He says something happened that night which changed his brother mentally. He was never the same person again and the killings started after that.
He also said family members told police on more than one occasion that they thought Peter was the ripper.

A guy I worked with for many years was questioned twice, he told the story at his leaving do last year. That £5 note was in a wage delivery that went to 4 factories. He worked at one of factories. In his statement accounting for his whereabouts he put himself within 100 yards of one of the murders at around the time she went missing. Hence he suffered a long second interview where the officers kept telling him they knew he was the Ripper. A very scary thing for an 18 year old lad.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by bfcjg » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:44 pm

Should have been hung, how much has his incarceration cost the tax payer.
Hope he is suffering in hell.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Herts Clarets » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:54 pm

lakedistrictclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:39 am
His name is Richard McCann, Frank.
Just watched a short interview with him on the BBC news site and he comes across very well. He makes some very valid points and ends with a request to West Yorks Police to issue an apology to surviving family members. Some victims were described as "innocent" such as Jane McDonald, inferring that the other victims were not innocent, including his Mum. He also states that he phoned Sutcliffe's brother this morning to offer his condolences, as he says after all Peter did, he was still his brother. I am not sure I could show the same level of compassion and sympathy if i were in his position, something i also feel when i see Colin Parry meeting Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by DCWat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:56 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:35 pm
I only discovered a good friend of mine is friends with his brother a few months ago. His brother commented on one of his Facebook posts. On our next 48 hr fishing trip I had long chat about it with my friend. His brother told him that he started digging graves in Bingley and he was asked to do a night shift. He says something happened that night which changed his brother mentally. He was never the same person again and the killings started after that.
He also said family members told police on more than one occasion that they thought Peter was the ripper.

A guy I worked with for many years was questioned twice, he told the story at his leaving do last year. That £5 note was in a wage delivery that went to 4 factories. He worked at one of factories. In his statement accounting for his whereabouts he put himself within 100 yards of one of the murders at around the time she went missing. Hence he suffered a long second interview where the officers kept telling him they knew he was the Ripper. A very scary thing for an 18 year old lad.
Carl or Mick? I’ve not seen either for years but I wouldn’t admit to being friends with either, unless they’ve changed their ways, which I doubt.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Wellsy1882 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:08 pm

Highly doubt covid killed him
Friday 13th tho..

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:21 pm

DIdn't he used to stop off in Burnley sometimes on his lorry journeys? I'm sure I remember someone telling me he did, near the Turf.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:27 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:21 pm
DIdn't he used to stop off in Burnley sometimes on his lorry journeys? I'm sure I remember someone telling me he did, near the Turf.
Yes, people in East Lancs were certainly questioned as they identified the suspect as a driver who come over that way. Stan made reference to it in his book; can't remember the exact detail but don't think he got as far as being pulled in.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:32 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:44 pm
Should have been hung, how much has his incarceration cost the tax payer.
Hope he is suffering in hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... k-NHS.html

That's in 2015 so the figure will be higher, he's had the full works in luxury treats a working man can only dream of :roll:

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:33 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:27 pm
Yes, people in East Lancs were certainly questioned as they identified the suspect as a driver who come over that way. Stan made reference to it in his book; can't remember the exact detail but don't think he got as far as being pulled in.
I think, might be wrong, but the chippy on Todmorden road at the end of Helena street - not sure what it was back in those days, but I think he used to call in there. Something at the back of my mind reminds me of somebody mentioning it.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Claret Till I Die » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:07 pm

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:11 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote:
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In the absence of Mr Beamish
Russell Brand would have been a better choice, he looks the spitting image of a younger Peter Sutcliffe.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by conyoviejo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:22 pm

He used to frequent the Star cycling club in Nelson the odd time.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Claret Till I Die » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:39 pm

Beamish ?

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:41 pm

Well finally 2020 has delivered some good news, I hope you enjoy your time in hell Peter.

My thoughts are with his victims, and more importantly their families, hopefully this news will bring a sense of closure for them after all these years.
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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:53 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:56 pm
Carl or Mick? I’ve not seen either for years but I wouldn’t admit to being friends with either, unless they’ve changed their ways, which I doubt.
Fairly sure he knows both but on better than the other, just clarify, I spoke to my friend about the subject.
Your hint does not surprise me, my friend got into stuff that he felt the only way out was suicide. He came very close to succeeding. He then spent months on the psychiatric ward before moving away from Bingley and turning his life around.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by DCWat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:53 pm
Fairly sure he knows both but on better than the other, just clarify, I spoke to my friend about the subject.
Your hint does not surprise me, my friend got into stuff that he felt the only way out was suicide. He came very close to succeeding. He then spent months on the psychiatric ward before moving away from Bingley and turning his life around.
Glad to hear that your friend is better, LBC.

They were a pair of nasty individuals, into all sorts and not ones to be involved with. I’d be amazed if that was any different now.

I think it was Carl that was done by an undercover reporter at one point and from what I’ve seen and heard of them, they revelled in the notoriety and used it to their advantage - they’ll no doubt be in the press over the coming days.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:18 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:38 pm
Glad to hear that your friend is better, LBC.

They were a pair of nasty individuals, into all sorts and not ones to be involved with. I’d be amazed if that was any different now.

I think it was Carl that was done by an undercover reporter at one point and from what I’ve seen and heard of them, they revelled in the notoriety and used it to their advantage - they’ll no doubt be in the press over the coming days.
It was Carl who posted on his Facebook, took me ages to find it. He said Carl has sold his story more than once.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by Local cricketer » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:18 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:57 am
I knew his father, he’d drink in the local pub, two pints of bitter every night.

Never ever spoke about his son or family, said he had played football for Burnley’s B team.

A soft and gentle man, so far removed from what his son was.
Was this local pub in Cairo?

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by daveyclaret » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:33 pm

I lived in South Yorkshire, and still do, when Sutcliffe was doing his murdering spree. My Mother, sister, and their female friends were frightened to death to go out at night without a male escort.

I remember the day well in January 1981 when he was caught in Sheffield. I was at work and heard on the radio that he'd been caught and there was an almighty cheer and a lot of cursing at Sutcliffe.

Sutcliffe died today but, from my viewpoint, he should have died after been sentenced. What he did, he should have been strung up, no ifs and buts from do gooders, this was a clear case for capital punishment to be implemented.

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Re: The Yorkshire Ripper

Post by bodge » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:50 pm

The thing I can't get my head round with the whole Ripper business, was how no one recognised Wearside Jack's voice aka John Humble who died in July 2019.

It was on the tv and radio loads of times, didn't a voice analyst identify it came from a particular area of Sunderland ?

Sutcliffe was responsible for more attacks than those attributed to him or at least there is a lot of pointers to him being the perpetrator.

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