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RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:19 pm
by clarethomer

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:29 pm
by ClaretTony
Hell of a good goalkeeper who probably suffered international wise because of Peter Shilton being around at the same time.

I know he had a cancer a few years ago from which he recovered but shocked at today's news.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:36 pm
by taio
Sad news. RIP.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:37 pm
by Wokingclaret
Spot on

And he did contribute to one of our few successes of the 80's

A great career

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:38 pm
by Herts Clarets
Sad news. Great keeper in a brilliant Liverpool side. Didn't he concede only 16 goals in one season? I met Ray along with a couple of others in St Albans prior to the 2002 World Cup and had my photo taken holding the trophy, of course wearing my Burnley shirt. I had a brief chat and reminded him of the 1983 Milk Cup game at White Hart Lane and how he wasn't sent off for handling the ball outside the area.

Nice bloke who was happy to chat with football fans. 72 years is no age at all. RIP Ray.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:40 pm
by HahaYeah
Great keeper from an era of great keepers.RIP.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:47 pm
by Longsidelenny1882
A world class goalkeeper rip

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:55 pm
by claretblue
I believe he alternated many games with Peter Shilton which reduced number of caps

remembered fondly!

RIP Ray

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:01 pm
by claretblue
I was unaware he played for Spurs so many times!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54953093

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 pm
by ashtonlongsider
This is a real shock. Ray Clemence was a truly great goalkeeper. He could virtually have nothing to do on occasions given the brilliance of the Liverpool defence he played behind, but when called upon, he would pull off a couple of brilliant saves. Great levels of concentration and if not for Shilton he would have won well over 100 caps. RIP Ray Clemence and sincere condolences to his family and friends.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:11 pm
by bfcjg
RIP, great keeper.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:12 pm
by Silkyskills1
Very good goalkeeper who I think was bought from Scunthorpe just as Kevin Keegan was a few years later. Not sure whether it was seen as being a 'good' problem for any manager to have Shilton and him to choose from. I was at Hampden Park in the 70's when he let in a very soft goal from Kenny Dalglish. RIP to a top professional of his day.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:18 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Lot of very good English keepers around in his day.
Along with Shilton, he was the best going through the 70s.

R.I.P Ray

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:20 pm
by dushanbe
When I was a kid, everyone wanted to be Clemence, not Shilton. I always thought he was the better goalkpeeper, very sad news.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:21 pm
by Royboyclaret
That's a shocker.

RIP Ray, top class keeper.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:21 pm
by Bosscat
Sad to hear ... RIP

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:26 pm
by conyoviejo
R.I.P. Ray... A top notch keeper .

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:27 pm
by ElectroClaret
Yes, great keeper and a top professional.
RIP Ray.

Think he was in goal when Ian Brennan fired in that brilliant goal at Anfield in 1974.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:31 pm
by SalisburyClaret
RIP
Excellent Keepet

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:34 pm
by Woodleyclaret
A top keeper, he would have punched Maradona in the head rather than choke like Shilton did letting the cheating bxxxxxx score
RIP Ray

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:50 pm
by warksclaret
One of Liverpool's greatest ever keeper, as he was for England RIP

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:23 pm
by ALP
One hell of a goalkeeper who I remember seeing play a number of times.

Rest in Peace

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm
by tim_noone
Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:34 pm
A top keeper, he would have punched Maradona in the head rather than choke like Shilton did letting the cheating bxxxxxx score
RIP Ray
Always liked Ray Clemence. RIP La......d.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm
by Steve1956
If Shilton hadnt been around Clemence would easily have got a 100 + caps, not sure how many he got but it was a decent amount..RIP Ray .

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:19 pm
by tim_noone
Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm
If Shilton hadnt been around Clemence would easily have got a 100 + caps, not sure how many he got but it was a decent amount..RIP Ray .
And vice versa ....they were both good tbf...

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:46 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
Great goalkeeper RIP

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:47 pm
by IanMcL
So young.
Decent keeper.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:11 pm
by evensteadiereddie
That's a hell of a shock. A great keeper in a great side. Bless the lad.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:44 pm
by Steve1956
tim_noone wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:19 pm
And vice versa ....they were both good tbf...
Tim...Shilton got well over 100 caps 😊

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:18 pm
by tiger76
Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm
If Shilton hadnt been around Clemence would easily have got a 100 + caps, not sure how many he got but it was a decent amount..RIP Ray .
Even competing with the great Peter Shilton, he managed 61 caps, so that shows how much various England managers rated him throughout his long career.

RIP Ray

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:31 am
by Quicknick
RIP, Ray.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:23 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
dushanbe wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:20 pm
When I was a kid, everyone wanted to be Clemence, not Shilton. I always thought he was the better goalkeeper, very sad news.
I've heard this before. And also seen a lot of criticism sent Shiltons way. Although much of that may be down to his later years and personality.

But Shilton surely must have been a top keeper to have amassed 125 caps (still a record) in times we didn't always get to tournaments and had several great keepers to compete with. Clemence. Banks. And latterly Woods and Seaman.

Was Shilton lucky, or was he actually a very good keeper who probably stayed too long?

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm
by Targetman
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:23 pm
I've heard this before. And also seen a lot of criticism sent Shiltons way. Although much of that may be down to his later years and personality.

But Shilton surely must have been a top keeper to have amassed 125 caps (still a record) in times we didn't always get to tournaments and had several great keepers to compete with. Clemence. Banks. And latterly Woods and Seaman.

Was Shilton lucky, or was he actually a very good keeper who probably stayed too long?
Shilton was an excellent keeper, although he never seemed to be able to save a penalty, didn't usually get anywhere near them.

If Clemence hadn't been around at the same time Shilton wouldn't have been much short of 200 caps.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:19 pm
by ClaretTony
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:23 pm
I've heard this before. And also seen a lot of criticism sent Shiltons way. Although much of that may be down to his later years and personality.

But Shilton surely must have been a top keeper to have amassed 125 caps (still a record) in times we didn't always get to tournaments and had several great keepers to compete with. Clemence. Banks. And latterly Woods and Seaman.

Was Shilton lucky, or was he actually a very good keeper who probably stayed too long?
Shilton was world class at his peak.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:21 pm
by ClaretTony
ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:27 pm
Yes, great keeper and a top professional.
RIP Ray.

Think he was in goal when Ian Brennan fired in that brilliant goal at Anfield in 1974.
He was in goal that night but not sure any goalkeeper would have come close to saving it.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:23 pm
by Steve1956
ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:19 pm
Shilton was world class at his peak.
I've never forgiven Shilton for his half arsed attempt at stopping Maradona cheat us out of that game way back when,poor goalkeeping in probably the biggest game of his career

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:49 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Targetman wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm
Shilton was an excellent keeper, although he never seemed to be able to save a penalty, didn't usually get anywhere near them.

If Clemence hadn't been around at the same time Shilton wouldn't have been much short of 200 caps.
On the penalties I listened to a podcast recently with Dave Beasant. Ironically same podcast that alluded to shiltons character.

Beasant said shiltons tactic was to dive after the penalty was taken. Which meant he almost always went the right way. But leaving it so late means you’ve no chance of getting there. And better to gamble as the odds are better.

On his character Beasant said the only two players who didn’t feature at italia90 were himself and Chris woods. They were due to play half each so they could both get a World Cup cap. But shilton refused to step down as it was his last and 125th game.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:51 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:23 pm
I've never forgiven Shilton for his half arsed attempt at stopping Maradona cheat us out of that game way back when,poor goalkeeping in probably the biggest game of his career
The biggest was 1990. When the ball looped over his head.

Then on the penalties he went the right way on all of them I think. But as above his technique meant he go nowhere near.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:51 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Anyway. Back on clemence. Sorry.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:20 pm
by ClaretTony
You have to say we were blessed to have them both at the same time. I doubt there were better goalkeepers anywhere in the world when they were at their peak.

Re: RIP Ray Clemence

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:41 pm
by Quicknick
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:49 pm
On the penalties I listened to a podcast recently with Dave Beasant. Ironically same podcast that alluded to shiltons character.

Beasant said shiltons tactic was to dive after the penalty was taken. Which meant he almost always went the right way. But leaving it so late means you’ve no chance of getting there. And better to gamble as the odds are better.

On his character Beasant said the only two players who didn’t feature at italia90 were himself and Chris woods. They were due to play half each so they could both get a World Cup cap. But shilton refused to step down as it was his last and 125th game.
I can't say I blame Shilton for that. 125 games is a milestone.