The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

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The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:47 pm

all very Barry Fry

REVEALED: Burnley boss Sean Dyche to net millions if Dwight McNeil or any of the club's academy products are sold while he's in charge due to 'development clause' in contract
Sean Dyche stands to make millions of pounds from sales of academy products
It entitles him to five per cent of sale price of academy players while he's at helm
Attacker Dwight McNeil was linked with a move to Tottenham last summer
A move never emerged, with Burnley holding out for a £40m fee for McNeil
By MATT HUGHES FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 22:30, 18 November 2020 | UPDATED: 22:41, 18 November 2020

Sean Dyche stands to make millions of pounds if Dwight McNeil or any of Burnley's other academy products are sold while he is at the club.

Sportsmail can reveal the Burnley manager has a 'development clause' in his contract entitling him to five per cent of the sale price of players who have come through the academy.

McNeil attracted interest from Tottenham last summer, but the club failed to match Burnley's £40m valuation, a sale price that would have netted Dyche £2m if the transfer had taken place.

The England Under 21 midfielder joined Burnley's academy at the age of 14 after starting at Manchester United, making his first-team debut at 18.

Last month McNeil, 20, signed an extension to his contract, which now expires in 2024, but he remains on the radar of several Premier League clubs.

There is nothing illegal about Dyche receiving bonuses for developing players who go on to be sold, although such clauses are unusual.

Ian Holloway caused a stir in 2011 by revealing he received a percentage of the transfer fee for any Blackpool player he had coached, but the FA did not tighten their regulations.

Dyche's clause is less generous than Holloway's as it only relates to academy players who are sold, and it has not proven lucrative so far. Cameron Dummigan is the last academy product sold by Burnley. The defender joined Oldham for an undisclosed fee four years ago.

Dyche's complex contract is one of the main reasons he remains at Burnley, despite being coveted by rival clubs. Under the terms of the four-and-a-half year deal Dyche signed in 2018, Burnley are entitled to £3.5m in compensation if he leaves for another Premier League club.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:49 pm

The plot thickens.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:53 pm

Good job we never promote any and the one we have is tied down.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by NewClaret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:54 pm

No issue with that. Glad he’s incentivised to develop young players.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:55 pm

On a serious note if it incentivises him to promote and develop players and they have more value than they otherwise would who cares.

In fairness when Dyche first came in on many occasions he openly said he wanted the club to invest in the infrastructure and youth development before playing budget. As however and whenever he left he wanted to leave a legacy that was better than when he joined.


Fortunately for us we managed to achieve both. Promotion with low budget and the off field improvements.

My only real issue with Dyche is how things have gone these last few months. Off the field that is.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by jedi_master » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:56 pm

I think that’s fair enough really.

It’s probably another good reason for Sean to stay until Dwight goes too!

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:57 pm

Didn't Harry Redknapp profit from player sales too?

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:57 pm

It just goes to show that we really know next to nothing about the club and it's intricacies.

Debate is all well and good, but we are really shooting in the dark about most things relating to the club.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:54 pm
No issue with that. Glad he’s incentivised to develop young players.
Because being the top paid person ever at the club is not enough? - what about the other coaches and analysts, welfare officers etc at the club that have played a part in Dwight's development

One club for all this is not

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Because being the top paid person ever at the club is not enough? - what about the other coaches and analysts, welfare officers etc at the club that have played a part in Dwight's development

One club for all this is not
Most roles will have bonuses and incentives. And the man at the top is also going to get the biggest rewards.

He’s the one that earns the most. But also the one who is under the most pressure and scrutiny. And the one who has the most to lose.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by jedi_master » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Because being the top paid person ever at the club is not enough? - what about the other coaches and analysts, welfare officers etc at the club that have played a part in Dwight's development

One club for all this is not
I get your point, but if those individuals had brought in the money to our club and turned us from comparative minnows to what we are now like SD has done I dare say their negotiation position for contractual extras would be as strong.

It’s deals like this, the bonuses and the massive salary that have kept him here this long I’d guess.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

What’s the clawback for taking our most expensive assets back in value, I wonder?

For Dwight, there has been a Gibson.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

That article suggests Cameron Dummigan was the last to be sold so there’s the first error. We have definitely sold such as Luke Hendrie, Harry Flowers & Alex Whitmore since then.

If his clause is sale of academy players then it’s not been very lucrative has it?

This really is a nothing story.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm
That article suggests Cameron Dummigan was the last to be sold so there’s the first error. We have definitely sold such as Luke Hendrie, Harry Flowers & Alex Whitmore since then.

If his clause is sale of academy players then it’s not been very lucrative has it?

This really is a nothing story.
actually if it is true it reveals a lot about how we have had to incentivise Dyche - there is probably much more - to keep him

with the timing of it - the real question for now is why is it only when relationships are at such a low ebb is this coming out
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by NewClaret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:15 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Because being the top paid person ever at the club is not enough? - what about the other coaches and analysts, welfare officers etc at the club that have played a part in Dwight's development

One club for all this is not
Always the way in every organisation though, isn’t it? Those in the very top roles benefit disproportionately from an organisations success.

Another way of looking at it is that the top coaches in the PL earn many times more than Dyche, so this type of performance-related incentive is likely key to his retention.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by NewClaret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm
That article suggests Cameron Dummigan was the last to be sold so there’s the first error. We have definitely sold such as Luke Hendrie, Harry Flowers & Alex Whitmore since then.

If his clause is sale of academy players then it’s not been very lucrative has it?

This really is a nothing story.
Certainly not something that appears to influence his team selection!!
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:14 pm
with the timing of it - the real question for now is why is it only when relationships are at such a low ebb is this coming out
Too much infighting at the club and that’s when stuff gets out whether it is factual or not. Sad state of affairs showing where our club is right now.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:55 pm
On a serious note if it incentivises him to promote and develop players and they have more value than they otherwise would who cares.

In fairness when Dyche first came in on many occasions he openly said he wanted the club to invest in the infrastructure and youth development before playing budget. As however and whenever he left he wanted to leave a legacy that was better than when he joined.


Fortunately for us we managed to achieve both. Promotion with low budget and the off field improvements.

My only real issue with Dyche is how things have gone these last few months. Off the field that is.
agree, but can you imagine the reaction if this story was about an ex Blackburn, Bolton, West Ham and England manager ! :shock:
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:41 pm

Managers making money on transfers, both in and out, goes back to Brian Clough, George Graham, Harry Redknapp and that era. Them guys were buying and selling players to make money.
Developing talent is what they are paid to do so I don’t agree with it but it comes with the job.
This is a non-story.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm
Too much infighting at the club and that’s when stuff gets out whether it is factual or not. Sad state of affairs showing where our club is right now.
it could also come from one of the bid teams as they have had access to that kind of info - so many people currently know an awful lot about how are club goes about things at the moment

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by dsr » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:46 pm

Well, if true, there are two unsurprising but welcome conclusions.

1. He could have sold McNeil and earned himself some money; he didn't.
2. He could pick players that he thinks aren't really ready to earn himself some money; he doesn't.

If it proves one thing, even if it's something that we didn't doubt anyway, it's that while he's under contract he will do what's best for the club rather than screwing the last penny for himself.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm
Too much infighting at the club and that’s when stuff gets out whether it is factual or not. Sad state of affairs showing where our club is right now.
This. Agree completely. It’s sad.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:51 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:44 pm
it could also come from one of the bid teams as they have had access to that kind of info - so many people currently know an awful lot about how are club goes about things at the moment
Look at government. Exactly the same. The country know a week or more. before events happen.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:02 am

I just wish he'd promote more players instead of using them as bench warmers
The value of our rising stars is next to nothing if no one sees them playing at top level
It shows money isnt the driving force for Sean.
However, linking his situation with that of known chancer Redknapp is not appropriate

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:44 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:57 pm
Didn't Harry Redknapp profit from player sales too?
Does Sean have a dog?
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Post by Grumps » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:52 am

Is this something that is common with managers contracts, or highly unusual
Perhaps Farnell was his lawyer :lol:

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:52 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Because being the top paid person ever at the club is not enough? - what about the other coaches and analysts, welfare officers etc at the club that have played a part in Dwight's development

One club for all this is not
Hi CP, my thoughts:

1) I agree with you that disclosure of SD's contract clauses is most likely a result of the due diligence being performed by prospective new investors;
2) I don't think SD being the top paid person at the club is the issue - it's SD being paid on a par with other Premier League managers that results in this bonus clause, in addition to his other rewards;
3) It's possible that there are also more modest bonuses for some of SD's coaching staff. This may be how "one club for all" fits - in terms of rewards for the coaches. (We already know the players are rewarded by promotion and retaining PL status bonuses);
4) It's an interesting factor to include in the "net transfer" fees analysis - any outgoing transfer fee for Dwight McNeil would be reduced by 5% to SD, possibly a smaller cut for other coaching staff - and, always the ERS NIC at 13.8%; and, all that if there are no agents fees, as well;
5) I wonder whether the DMail report is providing all the details? What if SD only earns 5% on transfer of DM if he's sold at a certain age, or after X appearances for the first team?
6) John B has spent his career in commodity trading - an industry (like banking) that has always been "very creative" with bonus structures. I don't find it surprising that a variety of bonuses have been used to reward and incentivise SD while managing the club's finances and avoided "fixed amounts" when the club has no money coming in to fund that part of SD's "compensation" (using the word as it is used in the financial/commodity sectors for "pay").

So, what should SD's bonus maximising strategy be? Sell Dwight McNeil for £40 million - but risk relegation to Championship and miss out on his PL bonus? Persuade McNeil to sign a new contract, including increased pay for Dwight and plan on Dwight value increasing and collect his share of a bigger bonus when Dwight is sold a season later?

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by StuffyClaret » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:00 am

5% of virtually nowt is virtually nowt

None story
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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:47 am

Wonder what the reaction would have been had Charltonboy or one of his ilk come in here and said it’s likely Farnell or the Egyptian will have a deal where they will benefit in some way from academy player sales?

I suspect it wouldn’t be very favourable.
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:56 am

Will Farnell or the Egyptian be the manager of the football club ?

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Billy Balfour » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:06 am

Yep, an absolute ******** of a story.

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Post by rufus lumley » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:31 am

If this story came out of the process of the due diligence of the club who leaked it to the reporter.The club needs to find out who the rat is and ask them have they given the information to give an advantage to one of the sides in the takeover process.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Grumps » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:34 am

rufus lumley wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:31 am
If this story came out of the process of the due diligence of the club who leaked it to the reporter.The club needs to find out who the rat is and ask them have they given the information to give an advantage to one of the sides in the takeover process.
What benefit would either side gain by leaking this?

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:35 am

Im sure Dario Gradi at Crewe had a similar arrangement years ago

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Hipper » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:51 am

Grumps wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:52 am
Is this something that is common with managers contracts, or highly unusual
Perhaps Farnell was his lawyer :lol:
Didn't Cotterill have a percentage profit clause from transfers?

I suspect these sorts of arrangements are fairly common. I would hope the coaching staff themselves get some sort of reward too.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:56 am
Will Farnell or the Egyptian be the manager of the football club ?
What difference does that make?

There are multiple reasons why such people could have such an arrangement. I'm curious what the reaction would be on here.

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Post by JohnMcGreal » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:08 am

The only bit I find concerning about this is who has leaked this information to the press? I imagine very few people had knowledge of such a clause in the manager's contract; the manager himself, his agent and maybe a few senior people at the club.

Now, I can't see what benefit Dyche or his agent gain by this information being made public, so who at the club has told the press about it, and why?

Yet more proof, as though it was needed, that our football club is currently in a right state.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:11 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 am
What difference does that make?

There are multiple reasons why such people could have such an arrangement. I'm curious what the reaction would be on here.
Clearly it makes a difference. In theory, Dyche is being rewarded for his coaching and development input in developing a player. The club's owner hasn't put his tracksuit on and worked day in day out with that kid in all weathers to help make him a better player. The reward is ostensibly for a person who has.
On another note I'm actually sceptical about the story per se tbh and I totally agree that it would seem extremely divisive to reward Dyche when other, more junior coaches will be working extremely hard with these players. Is Billy Mercer on an huge incentive if a young goalie comes through and gets sold?? Cos he bloody should be!!

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by aggi » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:47 am
Wonder what the reaction would have been had Charltonboy or one of his ilk come in here and said it’s likely Farnell or the Egyptian will have a deal where they will benefit in some way from academy player sales?

I suspect it wouldn’t be very favourable.
Well if they own the club it would be a bit pointless (and not very tax efficient).

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by warksclaret » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:52 am

Who the hell cares what SD earns. We have been punching above our weight largely because of him. If he stands to earn a nominal percentage from an academy player making BFC profitable them its money well spent. There have not been many in the last 15 years have there-Jay, Chaplow, I am struggling to name any other big names

And if he gets a big bonus for us staying up its another win win for both parties

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Post by Rowls » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:54 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm
Too much infighting at the club and that’s when stuff gets out whether it is factual or not. Sad state of affairs showing where our club is right now.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:11 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 am
What difference does that make?

There are multiple reasons why such people could have such an arrangement. I'm curious what the reaction would be on here.

Quite a bit, but the fact you are asking this question means it is too hard to explain

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 am

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:52 am
Who the hell cares what SD earns
Perfect response.

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Post by Chester Perry » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:53 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 am
Perfect response.
Is Sean responsible for our rise and extended stay at the top table - Yes, in good part, definitely not him alone though - but I am not sure you actually mean that if you consider the wider implications. He is paid what appears to be a Premier League standard of circa 1.2 - 1.5 times that of his highest paid player - his contributions have led to a higher level of revenue, but have also contributed to that revenue hitting a ceiling - salaries structures and the ongoing cost of the infrastructure he has seemed to want in place (remember a significant part of development in recent years has been for the benefit of the players at both Gawthorpe and Turf Moor) leave very little room for manoeuvre when it comes to transfer fees - which is something he has consistently refused to accept.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Guppyspotter » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:53 am

It's a double edged sword as it both encourages the commitment to add value to academy players but also a conflict of interest when it comes to choosing to sell players.

When you stand to benefit from a sale there is always an opportunity for the question of is it for the benefit of the club or the manger personally.

Just as well there is a lot of faith in the manager.
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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:54 am

Guppyspotter wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:53 am
It's a double edged sword as it both encourages the commitment to add value to academy players but also a conflict of interest when it comes to choosing to sell players.

When you stand to benefit from a sale there is always an opportunity for the question of is it for the benefit of the club or the manger personally.
Which is why the Chairman has final say

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:57 am

No problem with this

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:03 pm

The way I look at it, is he only makes money IF he is successful. It also gives him a good reason to push the kids, as he hasn't you have to presume they aren't ready yet.

No problem with this.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:11 pm

As far as i am aware, SD was the driving force behind the development of Gawthorpe and its facilities, to bring them up to standard. This has led to us recently being awarded Cat 1 status for the academy, which in turn will allow the club to attract a better standard of young player with greater potential that they will "make it" in the game. If the person who had the vision to put this in place is rewarded financially should a player develop and be sold on, then I believe it is a small price to pay.

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Re: The Mail claims Sean Dyche profit shares in the sale of Academy graduates

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:18 pm

I see Pep has signed a new 2 year deal at City

I bet what's in his contract is eye watering :shock:

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