If heading is eventually banned

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:51 am

Easy.
Intelligent Footballs are clearly the answer.
You know, those that distinguish a players head a millisecond before impact and go all soft, yet immediately regains its integrity a nano second after its headed, with the perfect thrust and direction it would have gone.
Delux versions would be able to identify 6 heads at once, if called upon.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:55 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:51 am
Easy.
Intelligent Footballs are clearly the answer.
You know, those that distinguish a players head a millisecond before impact and go all soft, yet immediately regains its integrity a nano second after its headed, with the perfect thrust and direction it would have gone.
Delux versions would be able to identify 6 heads at once, if called upon.
Sounds like the way to go.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:04 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:57 pm
That's all you needed to be if you were a good sweeper.
Caretaker player-managers were always good at that.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by kritichris » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 am

Has anyone seen any stats on dementia in footballers? For example, how many ex players per 100 get dementia by a specific age compared to 100 non players? I suppose you'd have to exclude ex boxers from the general population figure and have a separate stat for them.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by kritichris » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:38 am

Just had a look myself and found this:-

The study, which used recently digitised NHS Scotland data to compare the causes of death of 7,676 former male professional players who were born between 1900 and 1976 against those of more than 23,000 people from the general population, was hailed as the largest ever to look at the incidence of neurodegenerative disease in any sport by its head, Dr William Stewart.

Stewart’s team found that while ex-footballers live on average three and a quarter years longer than the normal population, 11 per cent of ex-professionals had died of dementia according to their death certificates compared to 3 per cent of the general public.

Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4057899

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by IanMcL » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:21 pm

No heading? No tackling?

What's left?

Passing and diving...and handball.

Yawn.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by timshorts » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:11 am
You really think the helmet helps the NFL players? I saw someone speak about this and the “protection” NFL players wear giving them a false sense of security to go harder into tackles.
Tackling with your head (a spear tackle) and helmet to helmet tackles are both personal fouls and 15 yard penalties (quite a lot).

Boxing and some of those Wtf fighting things are the only sports where the aim is to beat someones head to a pulp and the sooner they are banned the better. If they were just banned on TV, that would be a start.

Leading with the head is allowed in sumo wrestling, but its generally not the best tactic, so although it happens - particularly at the tachiai when a 45degree angle of impact is optimal you don't see it a lot after the tachiai. That said slapping and thrusting to the head is commonplace.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by dsr » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:29 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:42 pm
Tackling with your head (a spear tackle) and helmet to helmet tackles are both personal fouls and 15 yard penalties (quite a lot).
They aren't. Spear tackling is de facto legal as long as you are tackling a runner. Helmet to helmet is only illegal if it's against the quarterback or against a player who has just caught the ball and hasn't had time to protect himself against the tackler.

Spear tackling used to be illegal, and there was a sticker attached to every NFL helmet saying it couldn't and shouldn't be used as a weapon. That seems to have gone now.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:26 pm

kritichris wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:38 am
Just had a look myself and found this:-

The study, which used recently digitised NHS Scotland data to compare the causes of death of 7,676 former male professional players who were born between 1900 and 1976 against those of more than 23,000 people from the general population, was hailed as the largest ever to look at the incidence of neurodegenerative disease in any sport by its head, Dr William Stewart.

Stewart’s team found that while ex-footballers live on average three and a quarter years longer than the normal population, 11 per cent of ex-professionals had died of dementia according to their death certificates compared to 3 per cent of the general public.

Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4057899
I think I'd have taken the risk if I could have played professinal football

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by Jimmymaccer » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:22 pm

What about Ben Mee who has perfected heading the ball whilst laid on the deck?

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:32 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:42 pm
Tackling with your head (a spear tackle) and helmet to helmet tackles are both personal fouls and 15 yard penalties (quite a lot).

Boxing and some of those Wtf fighting things are the only sports where the aim is to beat someones head to a pulp and the sooner they are banned the better. If they were just banned on TV, that would be a start.

Leading with the head is allowed in sumo wrestling, but its generally not the best tactic, so although it happens - particularly at the tachiai when a 45degree angle of impact is optimal you don't see it a lot after the tachiai. That said slapping and thrusting to the head is commonplace.
I enjoy boxing, but I agree that at some point it will be banned and future generations will look back on it as barbaric.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by timshorts » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:07 am

dsr wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:29 pm

Spear tackling used to be illegal, and there was a sticker attached to every NFL helmet saying it couldn't and shouldn't be used as a weapon. That seems to have gone now.
I can't remember the rule being removed but either way it looks to have been coached out of the game as a deliberate rather than reckless tactic. That said, trying to dislodge the ball with a helmet seems to be lauded. I suppose it's pretty difficult to get right.

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Re: If heading is eventually banned

Post by NewClaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:38 am

As long as the heading isn’t political, religious, race or COVID-related, I think it should be allowed.

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