What sort of game will we be left with? At least no head tennis but corners will be a different ball game (ignore pun). Likewise crosses will only be half as effective. It's difficult to imagine footie without headers.

Football is on its arse anyway.... it’s become so greedy, it’s actually eating itself. A change this big would be another nail in it’s coffin.

We will end up with one super league franchise type thing.... with people supporting one of about ten teams.

I’ll be at the arbories or the crown ground.

It won't be banned, the amount of heading practised in training will be limited. Competitive matches won't be affected.

Andy Carroll and his elbows would be redundant

They have been for a long while, God.

Ball below shoulders, smaller pitch, fewer outfield player - it will be watching 7 a side and then concerns that knee injuries are too prevalent so no running or tackling.

Heading has more or less gone out of the game anyhow.

It's only done as a last resort or goal scoring opportunity.

Football will go underground like bare knuckle fighting, badger baiting, dog fighting and the like.

No, it won't.

It would knacker our game plan, that's for sure.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:36 am

Football is on its arse anyway.... it’s become so greedy, it’s actually eating itself. A change this big would be another nail in it’s coffin.

We will end up with one super league franchise type thing.... with people supporting one of about ten teams.

I’ll be at the arbories or the crown ground.

See you there then.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:51 am

No, it won't.

Yes, it will. No shin pads, sliding tackles, barging the ‘keeper into the net with the ball, shoulder charges. It will be the football equivalent of Snatch.....or the sixties.

They should definitely ban heading in football sooner rather than later.

It does far more damage heading a bag of wind than it does being punched or kicked in the head like in boxing or MMA.

Sponge balls is the answer, but not on a windy Tuesday night at Turf Moor

Other than football, is there another sport where you're supposed to use your unprotected head? I don't mean for thinking.. but to actually strike a ball or an opponent? Obviously your head gets some real punishment in boxing, but generally the idea is to avoid that I think.

If they ban heading the game is gone

As sad as all the cases of dementia amongst former footballers is, there still isn’t enough evidence IMO that, heading a ball causes it.
I don’t deny that heading the balls that they played with in those days had an effect, but the design of the ball has moved on. They don’t soak in the water like they use to.

I don’t disagree with banning heading at kids level - it’s very rare that the ball goes over head height anyway - but they still need to be taught how to head correctly, otherwise when the ball is coming at them they will head it wrong

It will improve the technical side of the game and make it a much better sport to play and watch. It'll no doubt annoy the grumpy old blokes he get upset about any change in society but they can go whistle as the game will live on without them

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm

It will improve the technical side of the game and make it a much better sport to play and watch. It'll no doubt annoy the grumpy old blokes he get upset about any change in society but they can go whistle as the game will live on without them

Yes typically me me me.

I suppose the next move wiĺ be playing with balloons!!! G.

As the bloke earlier said the game is on its arse
5 subs demand the big clubs to prevent or limit injuries. They have big squads I just wonder if they had thought of rotating them.

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:13 pm

If they ban heading the game is gone

As sad as all the cases of dementia amongst former footballers is, there still isn’t enough evidence IMO that, heading a ball causes it.
I don’t deny that heading the balls that they played with in those days had an effect, but the design of the ball has moved on. They don’t soak in the water like they use to.

I don’t disagree with banning heading at kids level - it's very rare that the ball goes over head height anyway - but they still need to be taught how to head correctly, otherwise when the ball is coming at them they will head it wrong

I'd disagree with that. My nephew plays under-10's and there is plenty of long balls and the ball over head-height. Most of kids are reluctant to head it though. Maybe that is a result of it not being coached.

Pass and move football pioneered by Jimmy Hogan in the 1930s and adopted by successful teams the world over is the way to go.
It's just that we have forgotten this simple method at Burnley, playing instead England style 3 passes sideways and 3 back before lumping the ball upfield

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm

It will improve the technical side of the game and make it a much better sport to play and watch. It'll no doubt annoy the grumpy old blokes he get upset about any change in society but they can go whistle as the game will live on without them

Apart from the obvious "Look at me, I will say something different just to get attention", why do you think it will be a better game? And are you assuming that kicking the ball over head height will be banned, or not?

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm

It will improve the technical side of the game and make it a much better sport to play and watch. It'll no doubt annoy the grumpy old blokes he get upset about any change in society but they can go whistle as the game will live on without them

The same argument has been made in relation to VAR, changes to the offside rule and changes to the handball rule. I'm not sure any of those changes have improved the game. The quality of pitches has made the biggest difference, including all weather for the youngsters. Boggy pitches at amateur level are still holding the ball playing side of the game back.

RMutt wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:54 pm

The same argument has been made in relation to VAR, changes to the offside rule and changes to the handball rule. I'm not sure any of those changes have improved the game. The quality of pitches has made the biggest difference, including all weather for the youngsters. Boggy pitches at amateur level are still holding the ball playing side of the game back.

VAR came about because idiot fans all over social media have such a chip on their shoulder they blamed everything on the referee. I called out a long time ago that all VAR would do would be for people to shift their blame on to the VAR official and the system itself.

I always said when both managers and both sets of fans can agree then blame the refs but if both sets of fans and managers thinks the referee was bais / poor against them then you need to have a look at yourself and your own biased opinions before attacking the referees doing the best they can in an extremely difficult environment

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:03 pm

VAR came about because idiot fans all over social media have such a chip on their shoulder they blamed everything on the referee. I called out a long time ago that all VAR would do would be for people to shift their blame on to the VAR official and the system itself.

I always said when both managers and both sets of fans can agree then blame the refs but if both sets of fans and managers thinks the referee was bais / poor against them then you need to have a look at yourself and your own biased opinions before attacking the referees doing the best they can in an extremely difficult environment

Totally agree. The fact that TV pundits spend longer analysing refereeing decisions than the quality of the football has made a rod for football's back. Of course the cry of ' That decision has cost our club millions' from managers, chairpeople etc. when money is such a huge aspect of the game adds to the problem. It was so much nicer when you could just blame the ref and call him a blind ....... but inside understand that he's only human like the rest of us and move on.

Some people’s thought processes are stuck in the dark ages, if you know something is a problem or will potentially be a problem, you simply mitigate the problem you can easily devise a ergonomic solution, test it & apply it.

The Centre Half only needs to be 5 feet 6 inches.

Re Var it came about because UEFA decided it would improve the product that is top flight football , it hasn't
The problem is that the calibre of referees having been declining in recent times, to the point that now some refs have started to become centre stage and revel in media adulation.
Super Jonny Moss is one of the worst of a poor bunch and when Walton is trotted out by Sky to give his version of events you know we are in trouble.
An awful ref in his day and hes seen as the font of all knowledge re rules we are indeed in serious deep sxxx.
Var has done nothing to add to the game and needs banning.Heading is not the problem with our game

Why ban heading the modern game is played with a balloon unlike the 60s & 70s they were heading the equivalent of a medicine ball....take heading out of the game and it's the end of football.

Do we know if the modern ball has the same effect on brain damage as the older ones?

Hipper wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:52 pm

Do we know if the modern ball has the same effect on brain damage as the older ones?

I'd be surprised if they did buddy,nothing to them.

Some expert said that the modern ball is just as dangerous as it hits the head faster.

The function of an expert is not to be more right than other people but to be wrong for more sophisticated reasons.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:26 pm

Some expert said that the modern ball is just as dangerous as it hits the head faster.

So it seems, when a defender in the wall is poleaxed when the freekick hits him in the head, not uncommon.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:48 pm

Pass and move football pioneered by Jimmy Hogan in the 1930s and adopted by successful teams the world over is the way to go.
It's just that we have forgotten this simple method at Burnley, playing instead England style 3 passes sideways and 3 back before lumping the ball upfield

I agree, when was the last time we had a player running into space from a through ball, I bet it’s a while, far too much sideways and backwards passing in our game plan, most annoying is when it goes all the way back to defence from a position in the final third of the oppositions half !

I wonder if there has been a scientific assessment of the impact of heading a modern ball compared with the sodden heavy case balls the 60's players used.

I used to end up with lace marks on my head.

Kicking is to be banned soon as it causes walking difficulties later in life.

It will be a lawsuit that brings an end to heading in football. Eventually it will be proven that this side of the game brought on early onset dementia and other neurological illnesses.

Personally it wouldn’t bother me if it went but if they were to get rid they might start on an incremental basis such as no heading allowed outside the box that way teams can transition and coaches prepare new methods.

Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:49 pm

I agree, when was the last time we had a player running into space from a through ball, I bet it’s a while, far too much sideways and backwards passing in our game plan, most annoying is when it goes all the way back to defence from a position in the final third of the oppositions half !

The best football I've seen from us since Stan's days was some of easy on the eye stuff under Coyle, to be honest.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:53 pm

The best football I've seen from us since Stan's days was some of easy on the eye stuff under Coyle, to be honest.

I wasn’t around in the 70’s but I watched us on the Big Match revisited on Saturday in a game v QPR and the football we played there was good to watch

If headings are banned

How will we know what threads we want to read and join in

Dy1geo wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:56 pm

I wasn’t around in the 70’s but I watched us on the Big Match revisited on Saturday in a game v QPR and the football we played there was good to watch

Yes, we used to play some really good football back then.

Dy1geo wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:52 pm

It will be a lawsuit that brings an end to heading in football. Eventually it will be proven that this side of the game brought on early onset dementia and other neurological illnesses.

Personally it wouldn’t bother me if it went but if they were to get rid they might start on an incremental basis such as no heading allowed outside the box that way teams can transition and coaches prepare new methods.

Possibly, in simple science when we was all born our craniums weren’t designed or developed for this, so it shouldn’t really come as a surprise that problems will eventually happen as a consequence, you only need to look at boxers & witness the impact of getting repeatedly punched in the head brings albeit more devastatingly this just is to a lesser extent.

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:27 pm

Kicking is to be banned soon as it causes walking difficulties later in life.

And Tig?

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:43 pm

The Centre Half only needs to be 5 feet 6 inches.

That's all you needed to be if you were a good sweeper.

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:51 pm

Why ban heading the modern game is played with a balloon unlike the 60s & 70s they were heading the equivalent of a medicine ball....take heading out of the game and it's the end of football.

A letter in The Times today suggests an alternative:

HEADING THE BALL
Sir, There is medical concern for links between the heading of a football and dementia (reports, Nov 18 & 19). In Harrow football, one of the games from which association football evolved, and which is still played at Harrow School, the ball is too big and heavy to head. Instead it may be played with the shoulder. This is called “fouling” — a perfectly legal act, not having the modern meaning. A skilled exponent can hit and direct the ball effectively. Banning heading would remove a fundamental part of football, but if the risk to health is deemed to demand it, this alternative might be considered.
Dale Vargas
Harrow on the Hill

Imagine all the overhead kicked goals.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:03 am

Imagine all the overhead kicked goals.

And the overhead kicked heads!

What's the proposal for the new rules then? Will it be 5-a-side rules with no playing the ball over head height, or not? Will deliberately heading the ball result in a direct free kick and/or penalty like handball, or will it be indirect? What happens with accidental headball - will they have the same rules about "the head being in an unnatural position"? (That one isn't a serious question. )

I think they will have to make a no-over-head-height rule because otherwise you could float a cross into the box and watch the chaos as the forwards and defenders try to be first to chest it down.

kritichris wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:36 pm

So it seems, when a defender in the wall is poleaxed when the freekick hits him in the head, not uncommon.

The thing about being knocked unconscious by the ball is that it almost always comes from when you didn't see it coming. The ball can be driven full welly and if you know it's coming your brain is somehow braced and you don't get knocked out. If you don't see it coming, a much softer shot can poleaxe you.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:48 pm

Other than football, is there another sport where you're supposed to use your unprotected head? I don't mean for thinking.. but to actually strike a ball or an opponent? Obviously your head gets some real punishment in boxing, but generally the idea is to avoid that I think.

You really think the helmet helps the NFL players? I saw someone speak about this and the “protection” NFL players wear giving them a false sense of security to go harder into tackles.