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falling out of love with football?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:30 pm

I am rapidly falling out of love with football.

VAR
Over paid footballs diving all over the pitch.
Refs being biased to the big clubs.

Is anyone else feeling the same?
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:42 pm

Add in top flight clubs simply becoming status symbols for billionaire foreigners/corrupt states. I really enjoy going to watch Colne FC now. Proper sense of community at that level and the clubs are mainly run by volunteers who do it because they love it.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 pm

It’s because you are not able to go to games. We have currently lost so much of our match days.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 pm
It’s because you are not able to go to games. We have currently lost so much of our match days.
Pretty much! I summed up the same thought and one poster felt the need to suggest I missed people as opposed to the sport. People make the sport!

Sport includes people and atmosphere. Without it, you've lost 80% of the game.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Diving and biased refs isn't anything new.

VAR will improve over time.

I think part of the problem for me is the option to attend is gone.
Also, I've never been a big fan of watching games on TV but I do try to get some in when time allows, but this year I've rarely bothered.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Must admit I am getting fed up of certain aspects of the modern era even at Burnley. The semi professional and amateur game gets more attractive for me.

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Post by taio » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 pm
It’s because you are not able to go to games. We have currently lost so much of our match days.
Same for me. Just missing going to the games. Watching on tele has always been far inferior. That's even more the case now. Temporary problem.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:58 pm

You never fall out of love with football . It’s in your blood whether you still go on matches or not .
Footballers have always dived, read the book on Harry Potts’ life and discover he was well known for his diving in his playing days in the 1940s.
Refs have always favoured the big clubs.
While fans can’t go on matches at the moment this is a temporary thing. I think part of the reason people think they are ‘ falling out of love’ with football is that they are exposing themselves too much to it , either on the TV or mainstream/social media.
Have a break if you feel that bad about it
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:57 pm
Same for me. Just missing going to the games. Watching on tele has always been far inferior. That's even more the case now. Temporary problem.
It's not the same watching on TV, that's what I do when other teams are playing. Watching the Clarets for me is going with mates, be it home or away games, that's more important than the actual 90 minutes.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:02 pm

Sport has all but been totally stripped from Football due to Money.

When Sport results becomes 90%+ a foregone conclusion purely through money the idea of Sport has gone.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 pm
It's not the same watching on TV, that's what I do when other teams are playing. Watching the Clarets for me is going with mates, be it home or away games, that's more important than the actual 90 minutes.
How are you doing by the way? I could sense you were a bit ****** off being at home for so long, so how have you coped? And have you got Christmas sorted?

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Post by taio » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 pm
It's not the same watching on TV, that's what I do when other teams are playing. Watching the Clarets for me is going with mates, be it home or away games, that's more important than the actual 90 minutes.
Agree totally. Especially away games for me - much more of a day out with mates. Home games less so - more about the 90 mins but that's because of my own arrangements.

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Yes, I've fallen out of love with it as far as the EPL goes.
Still love the game and am perfectly happy watching honest endeavour between 2 equally matched sides at any level.
And Burnley FC., of course.
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Post by tim_noone » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:08 pm

Yes.....Burnley fc? no nay never!!

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Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:42 pm
Add in top flight clubs simply becoming status symbols for billionaire foreigners/corrupt states. I really enjoy going to watch Colne FC now. Proper sense of community at that level and the clubs are mainly run by volunteers who do it because they love it.
"volunteers who do it because they love it".

We have seven such people on the Board at Turf Moor. Perhaps we could remember that when we're so quick to criticise.
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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 pm
It’s because you are not able to go to games. We have currently lost so much of our match days.
True but the game is being ruined by the interpretation of the rules, not by VAR.

There have been some very poor decisions made this season, some of which simply stink!

Add to that the uncertainty of ownership of our Club, our poor performances, then add C-19 and it's a perfect storm for "Falling out of love with football"

Apparently, the same is happening in the U.S.A. with spectator sports.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:12 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 pm
"volunteers who do it because they love it".

We have seven such people on the Board at Turf Moor. Perhaps we could remember that when we're so quick to criticise.
Royboy, not sure any/many posters have asked for your POV regarding this, but you know your numbers, what would you like to happen over the next few weeks, with regards to the takeover? And how confident are you that something could happen before the next window?

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Post by Spiral » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:16 pm

5.30pm on a Monday, 7.45pm on a Sunday, dull international break, another Monday night game, a Friday night one, another Sunday, another slog of an international break. So much of a typical routine surrounding football revolves around it being played on a Saturday afternoon. I properly miss the Championship for this reason. That aspect of fandom is gone under these circumstances, even in terms of watching at home on a stream, and so watching football becomes a matter of waiting for arbitrary things to happen like you're watching numbers on a screen, because I just don't care about football at all at 5.30pm on a Monday night. This is compounded by the exhausting oversaturation of football on TV. It's better as an event once or sometimes twice a week, where all your focus is on the league for a few hours a week, then you have time to decompress and get excited for the next weekend. We're also absolutely dreadful at the moment, which doesn't help. The fixture package 'event' of matchdays in the championship and leagues one and two feels more 'live'. When it's stretched out over four days, with wall-to-wall coverage on Saturday and Sunday, it's just too much.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm

Largely agree with OP

I went on my first Clarets match in 1956 and have seen them hundreds of times since. I've also attended a lot of "neutral" games as I've lived in various parts of the country + England Internationals. I thought that would never end but, Clarets apart, I now prefer to watch rugby as a winter sport (live and on TV).

Today on TV, I caught a women's Big Bash cricket game + England v France Ladies Rugby Union game + England v Ireland men's international rugby. I've got BT Sport but didnt bother watching any of the 3 Prem games on there today though Ill possibly watch highlights on youtube later.

Ill probably watch Clarets live when we're allowed back and they play within a couple of hours travel of where I live but I'm not even sure about that. I'll still get upset when we lose and elated when we win but footy has definitely slipped a fair bit down my list of sporting likes/days out.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:03 pm
How are you doing by the way? I could sense you were a bit ****** off being at home for so long, so how have you coped? And have you got Christmas sorted?
It's hard. I don't go anywhere and Christmas is going to be on my own this year although I'm sure I'll be able to arrange a Face Time call with my family.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 pm
"volunteers who do it because they love it".

We have seven such people on the Board at Turf Moor. Perhaps we could remember that when we're so quick to criticise.
I think comparing our directors to volunteers at some of the non-league clubs is a bit insulting to those volunteers to be honest.

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Post by claretinatherton » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm

It is the mixing with friends, especially away games that I miss most, the game becomes less important. I have become to realise this so much more fitting the lockdowns.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:11 pm
True but the game is being ruined by the interpretation of the rules, not by VAR.

There have been some very poor decisions made this season, some of which simply stink!

Add to that the uncertainty of ownership of our Club, our poor performances, then add C-19 and it's a perfect storm for "Falling out of love with football"

Apparently, the same is happening in the U.S.A. with spectator sports.
Yes, but you put up with all that when you are able to go to games.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:20 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:05 pm
Agree totally. Especially away games for me - much more of a day out with mates. Home games less so - more about the 90 mins but that's because of my own arrangements.
I'd agree with that. I'm usually down there early for a home game but do come straight home. I love away games, always have, really enjoy the trip there and back, the stops on the way, everything about the day.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:17 pm
It's hard. I don't go anywhere and Christmas is going to be on my own this year although I'm sure I'll be able to arrange a Face Time call with my family.
You can't be on your own on Christmas Day. That's not right. Sure, we have to have social distance but as long as common sense is included, you can't not spend time with family.

This isn't an illness where you are pointed with a laser as soon as you walk outside your house. It sounds like you're doing yourself more harm than the odds of catching it.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:23 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:22 pm
You can't be on your own on Christmas Day. That's not right. Sure, we have to have social distance but as long as common sense is included, you can't not spend time with family.

This isn't an illness where you are pointed with a laser as soon as you walk outside your house.
As it stands, under the rules, no I can't.
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Post by Rowls » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:23 pm

It's not the same without the fans and without being actually able to go to a game.

Football is so much more about being a passive consumer but that's all that's available at the moment.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:23 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:30 pm
I am rapidly falling out of love with football.

VAR
Over paid footballs diving all over the pitch.
Refs being biased to the big clubs.

Is anyone else feeling the same?
Great post NC....you are not alone.

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Post by Dyched » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:25 pm

Were exposed to so much of it now. Even more due to Covid. The times at school there was one CL game a week (Tuesday) on ITV. Now you can watch most games in any country quite easily. Which is great, but the majority of games seem to be crap.

I must say though the Spurs/City game was enjoyable tonight. Some great players Kane, De Bruyne, special mention for HM Son who is probably my favourite footballer, ever. Refreshing to see top players that aren’t swaggering about thinking they’re the dons.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:23 pm
As it stands, under the rules, no I can't.
Under the rules, but they currently end on December 2nd. I'm thinking ahead, I guess. They WILL be relaxed for Christmas, so make sure you're with family over Christmas.
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Post by jedi_master » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:27 pm

I wouldn’t say I’m falling out of love with it, but I’m certainly jaded - entirely down to Covid though, for me.

Those weekends with my Dad sat in the Jimmy Mac, or stopping at service stations around the country on the way to an away game are the reason I’m such a big fan. It’s more about time with my Dad sharing a joint passion together than anything else. I’ve done it since 1992 and savour it everytime because I know it’s not going to be that way forever.

What this year has shown me more than anything else is that it is the visit I make to my Mum and Dad’s in Todmorden that I do it for, more than the football itself.
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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:29 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:26 pm
Under the rules, but they currently end on December 2nd. I'm thinking ahead, I guess. They WILL be relaxed for Christmas, so make sure you're with family over Christmas.
Frank, the rules are one thing, common sense another. There's plenty of people keeping their distance properly.
TBH, I admire CT for doing what he is, it must be very difficult.
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:23 pm
As it stands, under the rules, no I can't.
Keep going Tony, the vaccine will be out very soon and there is light at the end of the tunnel Christmas might not have to be a solitary affair.
I fully agree that the whole match day experience is the main thing, the football is just a part of it, I hope my love for the club will reignite.
Heres hoping our first game post pandemic will be a massive party greeting friends old and new with a hug (and believe me if you saw my friends a hug is the last thing you'd do 😁 ) UTC.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:37 pm

I do not think it is a good thing for anybody to totally isolate themselves from everybody , if indeed that is the case

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Post by taio » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:40 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:37 pm
I do not think it is a good thing for anybody to totally isolate themselves from everybody , if indeed that is the case
I had to persuade my mother to do some positive risk taking during wave one because lockdown was affecting her mental health especially after being recently widowed.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:43 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:29 pm
Frank, the rules are one thing, common sense another. There's plenty of people keeping their distance properly.
TBH, I admire CT for doing what he is, it must be very difficult.
You've lost me there. I never suggested breaking the rules, what I did suggest is planning ahead. We can't say somebody is going to be alone for Christmas, before we know the rules. It's very very likely, that we can all meet up with close family.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:51 pm

I believe you did the right think taio. The mental health problems that will result from this year’s restrictions are still to be seen and if you can’t do something to help someone you love then you might as well give in

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:53 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:43 pm
You've lost me there. I never suggested breaking the rules, what I did suggest is planning ahead. We can't say somebody is going to be alone for Christmas, before we know the rules. It's very very likely, that we can all meet up with close family.
OK, Frank.
Some people are choosing to self-isolate regardless of the rules. So a change in rules will not alter what they are doing if they think they are doing the right thing.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:53 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:43 pm
You've lost me there. I never suggested breaking the rules, what I did suggest is planning ahead. We can't say somebody is going to be alone for Christmas, before we know the rules. It's very very likely, that we can all meet up with close family.
That's the key Frank some good positive thinking...which all of us at some points in life Lack. It seems CTs glass needs a top up. Hope its sooner rather than later.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:03 pm

Loads of people say they are falling out of love with football yet tune into mediocre fixtures such as Man Utd v West Brom on a Saturday night and then post on a football forum. As others have said, the situation is different for a lot of us as we miss attending the games. Televised games are now the norm rather than the top up that we’re used to.

And Burnley are doing crap, which is always going to dull the enjoyment.
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:05 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:56 pm
Must admit I am getting fed up of certain aspects of the modern era even at Burnley. The semi professional and amateur game gets more attractive for me.
i take your point, but i think there's an issue with ambition. look at salford now, and how the supporters are feeling duped to some degree. it would be fine if the spirit of the game was kept intact, but once money propels a club upwards, then all manner of tradition gets dumped rapid style. I feel a lot of small clubs look like football should be, but only because they cant find wealth, not out of any sense of amateurism for the love of it.
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Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:14 pm

The game itself, Yes I am. I’ve not watched a game live or on tv since our win at Southampton in February.
I’m still interested in the results. But to be honest that’s it. If we win.. yeah! If we lose.. oh well. It’s strange really, tv is my only source of watching English football. But it’s that very medium that’s changed the “beautiful game” beyond recognition. All the rule changes are to facilitate the couch sitting viewers. Even in the stadiums decisions are being made via a tv camera on a pitch side monitor or a couple of hundred miles away. While the real fans who pay and travel to games are left out of it all. What’s the point?

Remember the saying. “Show your kids football is real, not just a tv show”?
Even without Covid I think those running the game would prefer it if it was just a tv show. :(
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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:20 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:43 pm
You've lost me there. I never suggested breaking the rules, what I did suggest is planning ahead. We can't say somebody is going to be alone for Christmas, before we know the rules. It's very very likely, that we can all meet up with close family.
I know where you’re coming from Frank, but if the rules say we can have 1000 people in a house on Christmas Day it doesn’t mean the virus has gone. As CT says a bit of sense is needed. We would normally have lunch at my in-laws and tea at my parents, unless they all have a vaccine we are looking at swapping presents over on camping chairs in the garage - door open and patio heater on full belt for 30mins.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:24 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:20 pm
I know where you’re coming from Frank, but if the rules say we can have 1000 people in a house on Christmas Day it doesn’t mean the virus has gone. As CT says a bit of sense is needed. We would normally have lunch at my in-laws and tea at my parents, unless they all have a vaccine we are looking at swapping presents over on camping chairs in the garage - door open and patio heater on full belt for 30mins.
I think we're on different pages here. I would never even think them saying we could have 6 people together, meant the virus was gone.
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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:26 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:20 pm
I know where you’re coming from Frank, but if the rules say we can have 1000 people in a house on Christmas Day it doesn’t mean the virus has gone. As CT says a bit of sense is needed. We would normally have lunch at my in-laws and tea at my parents, unless they all have a vaccine we are looking at swapping presents over on camping chairs in the garage - door open and patio heater on full belt for 30mins.
The virus probably won’t ever be gone. If the rules say that people can spend time with their family at Christmas then that is their choice. It will be possible for people to be sensible in minimising contact with other people before and after Christmas and spend some time with loved ones at a very low risk.

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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:21 am

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 pm
"volunteers who do it because they love it".

We have seven such people on the Board at Turf Moor. Perhaps we could remember that when we're so quick to criticise.
I was referring more to the people looking after the pitches and manning the turnstiles. Bit different to our directors, who have perks such as being treated like kings and watching games in 5 star luxury at the best grounds in the country every weekend.

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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:40 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:21 am
I was referring more to the people looking after the pitches and manning the turnstiles. Bit different to our directors, who have perks such as being treated like kings and watching games in 5 star luxury at the best grounds in the country every weekend.
Don't forget their 10x return on investment when they sell

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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by Vintage Claret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:43 am

Fallen out of love with football? No.

Fallen out of love with watching football? Temporarily, yes.

It's a bit like chewing a toffee with the wrapper on at the moment but when fans return ( and we will) I'm sure the love will be re-kindled.

As others have rightly said, it's the fans and the atmosphere they generate that makes any sport what it is.

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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by wickdkewlclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:44 am

I have fallen out of love with the EPL, but not with football.

I would highly recommend doing what I’ve done and start watching a non league team. I live in Clitheroe and got a season ticket for £50, we’ve been allowed 400 fans on per game until this last lockdown. Should continue again on 2nd DEC.

It’s proper football, you can have pints while watching the match, hurl some abuse (if that’s your thing), have a chat with players and there’s plenty of banter. You can get involved with the club as well. I now do the match commentary live for Ribble FM.

Still got my season ticket at Burnley, but think it will still be a while until we’re all allowed back on!

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Re: falling out of love with football?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:10 am

I never understood the switching between watching football and rugby ,there is no comparison between beating a man with the ball at your feet and scoring.
Anyone can pick up the ball and run with it.
The watching live sport on tv is often marred not by crap refs,although they dont help, but crap comments off the pundits.What Keith Andrews knows about football would sit on the end of a pin

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