Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

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Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:40 pm

Not looking good for them, would appear the 2nd season syndrome has well and truly kicked in.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:42 pm

I think a lot of is down to the loss of their keeper.
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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:42 pm
I think a lot of is down to the loss of their keeper.
How often I’ve said on here there is more to goalkeeping than shot-stopping. Ramsdale has one relegation on his CV already, that could be two by season end.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:46 pm

They've scored 4 goals in 9 games. Not sure how much of that is down to the keeper.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:47 pm

Hope so

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:47 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:46 pm
They've scored 4 goals in 9 games. Not sure how much of that is down to the keeper.
If only football was that simple.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:40 pm
Not looking good for them, would appear the 2nd season syndrome has well and truly kicked in.
Possibly! last season they were the surprise package, and they could go into games without any pressure, IDK what's gone wrong but the Blades are definitely blunt this term, and unless they can find goals from somewhere they're going to struggle to climb the table.

They face a trip to the Hawthorns next, now that is a big game for both them and the Baggies.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:48 pm

Just can't put the ball in the net. Gonna be a long season for them I think.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:46 pm
They've scored 4 goals in 9 games. Not sure how much of that is down to the keeper.
Nail on head really but I also agree with others regarding the keeper it’s a double combo from both ends.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:03 pm

Goalkeeper change has definitely had an effect
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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:10 pm

Their energy levels have dropped significantly since the first lockdown. Having 3 months off is alright, but not for keeping at the level they were at. No real pre season for this campaign and it shows massively imho. They looked a lot like us today at times, completely lost when over the half way line. Fulham, although not great at the back, at least for them look like they can score. Not penalties though :lol:

If we don’t finish above these 2, we’re gone.
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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Interestingly I read today that Henderson is potentially looking for a loan move away from Man U in January.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by warksclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:14 pm

No one could work their style of play out last year. This season they have spent significantly and brought in a number of players, but not necessarily started them.They seem to be easier to work out this year, but I have noticed (a little bit like us), find it hard to change tactics when going down a goal or too.We need them NOT to start winning

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:15 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Just can't put the ball in the net. Gonna be a long season for them I think.
Nor can we

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:18 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:10 pm
Their energy levels have dropped significantly since the first lockdown. Having 3 months off is alright, but not for keeping at the level they were at. No real pre season for this campaign and it shows massively imho. They looked a lot like us today at times, completely lost when over the half way line. Fulham, although not great at the back, at least for them look like they can score. Not penalties though :lol:

If we don’t finish above these 2, we’re gone.
If we don't finish above Fulham & Sheff Utd we'll deserve to go. Right now West Brom look like the 3rd team that could save us, but we need to put wins on the board starting tomorrow.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:19 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:42 pm
I think a lot of is down to the loss of their keeper.
Nothing to do we keeper

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by MACCA » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:20 pm

Lose at WBA next week and they are down IMO.

Theyve basically given the rest of the league a 9 game head start.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:20 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:15 pm
Nor can we
But you feel like our strikers at least have goals in them. I don't think Barnes is up to it anymore but you'd always back Wood and Jay Rod to get 10 each at this level.

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:24 pm

Only 87 points left to get!
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:25 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:19 pm
Nothing to do we keeper
Why not?

Henderson clearly helped organise the back line and instil confidence which went through the team.

When our team had no confidence in Hart it showed

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Post by jurek » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:39 pm

They are struggling without looking totally abject but then so are
Fulham and West Brom not to mention ourselves - certainly in terms of scoring.
From what I've seen of Sheff. United, Fulham and West Brom it is more than likely that
none of them will be able to pull together a decent run to pull then away
from the relegation zone.
Then again the same could be said of ourselves.
It's going to be a dog fight I suspect and the team to survive will be the one who
can get the better results against each other alongside the odd surprise win
against one of the better teams.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:06 pm

jurek wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:39 pm
They are struggling without looking totally abject but then so are
Fulham and West Brom not to mention ourselves - certainly in terms of scoring.
From what I've seen of Sheff. United, Fulham and West Brom it is more than likely that
none of them will be able to pull together a decent run to pull then away
from the relegation zone.
Then again the same could be said of ourselves.
It's going to be a dog fight I suspect and the team to survive will be the one who
can get the better results against each other alongside the odd surprise win
against one of the better teams.
At the moment I would say we are as bad as that 3, Newcastle outsider

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:43 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:25 pm
Why not?

Henderson clearly helped organise the back line and instil confidence which went through the team.

When our team had no confidence in Hart it showed
They arent scoring like they were last season
Goals get wins

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:43 pm
They arent scoring like they were last season
Goals get wins
So do clean sheets incase you hadn't noticed when Pope finished 2nd in the golden glove award last season.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:50 pm
So do clean sheets incase you hadn't noticed when Pope finished 2nd in the golden glove award last season.
Same keeper from last season theyd be same position they are now

Same as us..

Goals get points

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:00 pm

It’s everything to do with the keeper. You build a team on solid foundations from the back. You could have Messi and Ronaldo up front but if you’ve got a crap defence you’ll get beat. We know this, from when we lost Heaton and Pope previously.
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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:00 pm

For all those stating Sheff Utd are shot shy this season that's true, but the were hardly prolific last season either they only managed 39 goals in total, which incidentally was less than us we had 43, what's costing them this time is the lack of clean sheets, it's now 12 games and counting since they kept a clean sheet, and that increases the pressure on their strikers to notch the few chances they get, hence why they're propping up the league, the encouragement for them is that pretty much all the games they've lost have been by the odd goal, so it's not as if they're being hammered every week, but equally they somehow need to find themselves on the right end of these fine margins soon, otherwise they'll be in grave danger of being cast adrift by the rest.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by tim_noone » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:01 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:55 pm
Same keeper from last season theyd be same position they are now

Same as us..

Goals get points
It's all about the goals.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:08 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:55 pm
Same keeper from last season theyd be same position they are now

Same as us..

Goals get points
Yes goals get points, well done.

Keeping them out and putting them in...

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:15 pm

Those that argue that Henderson is being missed are correct
Those who argue they need more goals are correct.
Remind me, who is wrong?

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:21 pm

I don't whether its a syndrome or not but it seems to me that they have been 'sussed'. Just shows how good our management has been to keep.us up there - till now maybe.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:22 pm

Not enough greasy chip butties.

They need the fans back like us.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:37 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:15 pm
Those that argue that Henderson is being missed are correct
Those who argue they need more goals are correct.
Remind me, who is wrong?
Those who dismiss the value of a good keeper and think it’s just goals that win games
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Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:52 pm

Henderson was being heavily criticised by his manager at this stage of last season for his mistakes, so can’t blame the keeper for the change in their current form

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by rincon » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:54 pm

Last year, they were the big surprise, all through the season, people were saying their bubble would burst, but it didn't.
This year is a different matter for them. Regarding ourselves, we've been here before and know a win will come. It's different for them, despite their good season last time they lack some nouse in this league. With their confidence shot, their football style won't get them out of the fix they are in unless results come for them quickly, poor things.

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Post by Aclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:59 pm

A defence takes great confidence when a keeper is playing well, we've seen it ourselves.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:05 pm

They massively over achieved last year. Its not easy for promoted clubs (unless they have recently been in the top division) to stay up - we have a great manager and we weren't able to achieve it.

Also gotta remember only 4 years ago they were a league 1 side

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:16 pm

Same as us creating next to nothing - keeper nothing to do with it

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:48 pm

I’ve yet to see a team as bad as we’ve looked so far this season. The Spurs game apart we’ve looked devoid of any idea whatsoever other than sitting back and trying to keep the shape.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:05 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:15 pm
Those that argue that Henderson is being missed are correct
Those who argue they need more goals are correct.
Remind me, who is wrong?
Doesnt matter whos in the net
They arent baggin enuf to win games

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Post by Spijed » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:06 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:48 pm
I’ve yet to see a team as bad as we’ve looked so far this season. The Spurs game apart we’ve looked devoid of any idea whatsoever other than sitting back and trying to keep the shape.
Isnt this a thread about Sheff United and not us?

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Post by BurnleyFC » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:09 pm

If Sheffield United are having 2nd season syndrome
then we must be having 5th season syndrome.

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Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:28 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:06 pm
Isnt this a thread about Sheff United and not us?
We are mentioned a few times already on the thread. They are bottom and we are second bottom. Both have very low points totals so it’s relevant. Thanks for taking the time to point it out though.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:44 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:05 pm
Doesnt matter whos in the net
They arent baggin enuf to win games
Bored of this getting painful to debate.

Sheff Utd 2020/21 season after 9 games-
goals scored 4
Goals conceded 15
Ratio - 11
No wins, 1 draw, 8 losses.
Zero confidence.

2019-20 season after 9 games -
Scored 9
Conceded 7
Ratio +2
3 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses
Biggest win was 2-0
Biggest loss was 2-1

If some of you are going to keep telling us that it doesn't matter about what happens with a teams own GK and it won't win them games then there isn't really much point carrying this on.
They were a more cohesive unit last season, kept it very tight at the back and picked up wins where they could.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:49 pm

It doesn’t really matter why they’ve gone crap we should just be thankful their have. It’s another team in little league down the bottom.

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Quicknick » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:11 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:40 pm
Not looking good for them, would appear the 2nd season syndrome has well and truly kicked in.
5th season syndrome for us?

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:44 pm
Bored of this getting painful to debate.

Sheff Utd 2020/21 season after 9 games-
goals scored 4
Goals conceded 15
Ratio - 11
No wins, 1 draw, 8 losses.
Zero confidence.

2019-20 season after 9 games -
Scored 9
Conceded 7
Ratio +2
3 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses
Biggest win was 2-0
Biggest loss was 2-1

If some of you are going to keep telling us that it doesn't matter about what happens with a teams own GK and it won't win them games then there isn't really much point carrying this on.
They were a more cohesive unit last season, kept it very tight at the back and picked up wins where they could.
They need.more goals to win games

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:43 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Just can't put the ball in the net. Gonna be a long season for them I think.
They've scored more goals than us !

Let"s hope that stat changes after tonight

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:58 am

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 am
They need.more goals to win games
Sure fine, let's see if the Howe strategy of leak as many goals as you like whilst hoping you can out score the opposition works for them.....


You're making my brain cry BTW

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Re: Sheff Utd - 2nd season syndrome.

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:58 am
Sure fine, let's see if the Howe strategy of leak as many goals as you like whilst hoping you can out score the opposition works for them.....


You're making my brain cry BTW
Goals

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