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Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:48 am
by Petersa
Been nominated for FIFA coach of the year! Give me strength. Why do the powers that be fall over dirty Leeds at every opportunity?

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:57 am
by Steve1956
I dont get all the fawning over this guy!

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:00 am
by Wellsy1882
Hate him hate the club

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:05 am
by Spijed
Petersa wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:48 am
Been nominated for FIFA coach of the year! Give me strength. Why do the powers that be fall over dirty Leeds at every opportunity?
To date, what's he achieved exactly, other than getting Leeds promoted and getting them up to 14th in the Premier league?

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:27 am
by Colburn_Claret
I like the guy, but he hasn't done anything to warrant this.
It was a lot easier for him to get Leeds up, than SD get us up......So it begs the question.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:33 am
by Goobs
What an absolute joke. Pathetic.

Would love to see them crash and burn.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 am
by Aclaret
Looks like he is taking a crap on the touchline every game.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:42 am
by Steve1956
Aclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 am
Looks like he is taking a crap on the touchline every game.
:lol: the guy looks puddled to me.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:46 am
by jojomk1
"The greatest coach in the world" according to Pep

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:00 pm
by Aclaret
jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:46 am
"The greatest coach in the world" according to Pep
I take it Pep has never worked with Brent Peters !

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:04 pm
by Herts Clarets
Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:27 am
I like the guy, but he hasn't done anything to warrant this.
It was a lot easier for him to get Leeds up, than SD get us up......So it begs the question.
SD won the league, top scorers, fewest defeats and a run of 23 23 undefeated and he couldn't even win Manager of the Year. Instead it went to the Manager of a team that finished third in the league and then choked in the play offs. That really did beggar belief, especially as the MOTY in every other division went to the Manager of the league winners.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:18 pm
by FactualFrank
Laughable.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:20 pm
by Quicknick
He'll celebrate this with relegation.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:20 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Herts Clarets wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:04 pm
SD won the league, top scorers, fewest defeats and a run of 23 23 undefeated and he couldn't even win Manager of the Year. Instead it went to the Manager of a team that finished third in the league and then choked in the play offs. That really did beggar belief, especially as the MOTY in every other division went to the Manager of the league winners.

Maybe he should have sat on a bucket

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:43 pm
by superdimitri
It's all about the translator.
https://youtu.be/U--_8tXE75o

Get some Spanish lessons in Sean and before you know it you'll be branded a cultural phenomenon.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:29 pm
by AndrewJB
superdimitri wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:43 pm
It's all about the translator.
https://youtu.be/U--_8tXE75o

Get some Spanish lessons in Sean and before you know it you'll be branded a cultural phenomenon.
Or just speaking English with a Spanish accent?

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:36 pm
by superdimitri
AndrewJB wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:29 pm
Or just speaking English with a Spanish accent?
Doesn't quite have the same effect. Even Capello managed to learn some English.
https://showsport.me/football/champions ... ds-5243492

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:10 pm
by Funkydrummer
........bub has a devil for a sideboard. :)

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:29 pm
by diamondpocket
superdimitri wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:36 pm
Doesn't quite have the same effect. Even Capello managed to learn some English.
https://showsport.me/football/champions ... ds-5243492
hahahha, brilliant. Looks like they wanna kiss each other secretly but then remember they're in public!!

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:49 pm
by Woodleyclaret
The man is a legend in his own lunchtime
The fawning over Dirty Leeds has gone on since the 60s why would it stop now?
The media will never let the truth get in the way of a good story. They believe everyone loves Dirty Leeds.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:03 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
His almighty Leeds team were the second lowest points champions in the last 7 seasons. In fact Burnley were actually promoted as runners up on the same points his Leeds team achieved. Over rated doesn’t even cover it

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:35 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Youve gotta to factor in the Championship was a lot tougher last season compared to the seasons we went up. I dont think Dyche would have got us up with the level of competition Bielsa faced last year

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:01 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:35 pm
Youve gotta to factor in the Championship was a lot tougher last season compared to the seasons we went up. I dont think Dyche would have got us up with the level of competition Bielsa faced last year
Aye, much tougher, there were another 23 teams all wanting to win promotion and it was a long, long season because they had to play 46 games and had to cope with some poor refereeing decisions and had injuries.
I can really see why it was a lot tougher than every other season and I'm sure that those fighting for promotion this season will tell you that it is much easier now because Leeds have been promoted.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:05 pm
by Elizabeth
Son’s goal against us has been shortlisted as Goal of the Year.
I wonder what would have been the feeling if Dyche had done what Bielsa did in the top of the table clash at the end of the season against Villa. Allowing Villa to score without challenge from the kick off after a controversial Leeds goal . Would Dyche even have done what Bielsa did?
Leeds needed to win and I think subsequently lost out on promotion with Villa going up.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:13 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:01 pm
Aye, much tougher, there were another 23 teams all wanting to win promotion and it was a long, long season because they had to play 46 games and had to cope with some poor refereeing decisions and had injuries.
I can really see why it was a lot tougher than every other season and I'm sure that those fighting for promotion this season will tell you that it is much easier now because Leeds have been promoted.
Its the quality not the quantity of the 23 other teams that made Bielsa's promotion a better achievement than our two under Dyche.

At the end of the day Bielsa is an absolute legend and if Dyche has even half the managerial career that Bielsa has had he will be a very happy man.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:16 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
I didn't realise Bielsa had won so little, the way people go on about him I thought he'd have far more trophies.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:27 pm
by Elizabeth
It will be difficult for any promotion achievement to the PL to be a bigger achievement than Dyche’s first promotion considering our position the season before and the small number of players we used that season.
I sometimes think the quality of the opposition in the Championship is overstated and see nothing in West Brom and Fulham to make me think different.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:57 pm
by IanMcL
I think he has worked wonders, where many others have failed.

Doesn't make him the best though.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:01 pm
by AndrewJB
superdimitri wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:36 pm
Doesn't quite have the same effect. Even Capello managed to learn some English.
https://showsport.me/football/champions ... ds-5243492
:) No, I meant Dyche speaking English with a Spanish accent, to give us that continental feel!

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:00 am
by Petersa
Elizabeth wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:05 pm
Son’s goal against us has been shortlisted as Goal of the Year.
I wonder what would have been the feeling if Dyche had done what Bielsa did in the top of the table clash at the end of the season against Villa. Allowing Villa to score without challenge from the kick off after a controversial Leeds goal . Would Dyche even have done what Bielsa did?
Leeds needed to win and I think subsequently lost out on promotion with Villa going up.
I think Elizabeth that was the season before so shouldn't have been relevant to this season's award. Leeds did win the "Fair Play" award that season (a season that included Bamfords notorious dive), a title that surely anyone who remembers the antics of the Revie era must stick uncomfortably in the throat. Leeds and fair play in one sentence is likely to cause a computer breakdown somewhere.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:02 pm
by ElectroClaret
Much as I dislike them, he's sorted out an excellent performance today v Everton.

Great to watch on MOTD.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:09 pm
by FactualFrank
I don't mind Bielsa. You can tell even he thinks their fans are bellends and prefers to stay away from them and just do his job.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:11 pm
by tiger76
He's done a good job no more no less, I can't understand all the hype, Farke, Wagner & Wilder have all got teams promoted on much lower budgets in recent seasons.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:14 pm
by tiger76
Petersa wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:00 am
I think Elizabeth that was the season before so shouldn't have been relevant to this season's award. Leeds did win the "Fair Play" award that season (a season that included Bamfords notorious dive), a title that surely anyone who remembers the antics of the Revie era must stick uncomfortably in the throat. Leeds and fair play in one sentence is likely to cause a computer breakdown somewhere.
That was also the season that included the notorious Spygate affair, that's hardly cricket as they say, and certainly shouldn't have been deemed deserving of the "Fair Play" award.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:19 pm
by s6t9a2f3f
lol he coaches a team that has 23 attempts on goal away at everton - that is just a dream for us !!!!!! at least if they go down it will be trying and at least they seem to be "in every game they play in", that always gives you at least a chance of winning a game.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:47 pm
by jrgbfc
Tbf as a team they look perfectly at home at this level. The likes of Norwich and Huddersfield had some good results but they were almost like cup upsets. And it's not like Bielsa spent a fortune in the Championship. He's got a few Championship journeymen playing the best football of their careers.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:49 pm
by Spijed
jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:47 pm
Tbf as a team they look perfectly at home at this level. The likes of Norwich and Huddersfield had some good results but they were almost like cup upsets. And it's not like Bielsa spent a fortune in the Championship. He's got a few Championship journeymen playing the best football of their careers.
Until he gets them into Europe I'll hold back on the praise, thanks.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:08 am
by Devils_Advocate
Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:49 pm
Until he gets them into Europe I'll hold back on the praise, thanks.
So are you saying had a team outside the top 6 won either the FA Cup or League Cup in 17/18 you would hold back any praise for Dyche in spite of everything else he has achieved as our manager?

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:59 am
by box_of_frogs
Quicknick wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:20 pm
He'll celebrate this with relegation.
Probably not this season though.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:27 am
by MACCA
They've been great to watch, even last year away at Aesebal in the cup they took it too them, yes they'll lose the odd game at this level, probably heavily a couple of times, but they certainly have a go.

Sometimes they need to score 2 or 3 to win, but it's good they can, but also they are capable if 1-0 shut outs.
It just seems which ever result they get, they still create loads of chances and are very easy on the eye.

I hate it, I'd rather it be Fulham doing what Leeds are, and Leeds doing what Filham are..

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:39 am
by Conroysleftfoot
MACCA wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:27 am
They've been great to watch, even last year away at Aesebal in the cup they took it too them, yes they'll lose the odd game at this level, probably heavily a couple of times, but they certainly have a go.

Sometimes they need to score 2 or 3 to win, but it's good they can, but also they are capable if 1-0 shut outs.
It just seems which ever result they get, they still create loads of chances and are very easy on the eye.

I hate it, I'd rather it be Fulham doing what Leeds are, and Leeds doing what Filham are..
Totally agree with you on this, I hate to admit it but they are good to watch. I work with a number of Leeds fans and they are a royal pain in the **** when we talk about football.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:40 am
by KRBFC
Everybody on here used to tell me Dyche plays hoofball because he doesn’t have millions to spend. Now go through the Leeds team and tell me how they can pass a football?

Some of their football against Everton today was outrageously good.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:00 am
by MACCA
KRBFC wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:40 am
Everybody on here used to tell me Dyche plays hoofball because he doesn’t have millions to spend. Now go through the Leeds team and tell me how they can pass a football?

Some of their football against Everton today was outrageously good.
Passing a football 20 yards then moving in to a space to receive it again shouldn't be difficult for any footballer regardless if the position he plays, never mind those playing in the premier league.

Chris wilder showed that last season with a team that cost about 84p.

Dyches style is effective, he is just a modern day Allerdyce type, it will not change much from being a defensively minded coach hoping to nick a goal.
On the flip side to that though, I don't think if he did have a pot of riches to spend he would choose to buy ageing pros and injured players to sign.

The only long term plan in place was to make a certain someone lots of money, so it's been a case of stop gaps, cheap options and do a job types for a few windows now.

Young, exciting, forward thinking, creative, pacey players arent available for the fees we want to pay, as we seem to be 18 months behind the curve on spotting these players so when BFC eyes stumble on them their price has doubled and we cannot afford them.

Remember in 2019 we were told we bid 20m for Phillips and 12m for Adams from MG, we ended up with Danny Drinkwater, Erik Peiters and BPF for a combined 4m.
Then poof as if by magic the money disappeared and we were skint...

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:32 am
by KRBFC
MACCA wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:00 am
Passing a football 20 yards then moving in to a space to receive it again shouldn't be difficult for any footballer regardless if the position he plays, never mind those playing in the premier league.

Chris wilder showed that last season with a team that cost about 84p.

Dyches style is effective, he is just a modern day Allerdyce type, it will not change much from being a defensively minded coach hoping to nick a goal.
On the flip side to that though, I don't think if he did have a pot of riches to spend he would choose to buy ageing pros and injured players to sign.

The only long term plan in place was to make a certain someone lots of money, so it's been a case of stop gaps, cheap options and do a job types for a few windows now.

Young, exciting, forward thinking, creative, pacey players arent available for the fees we want to pay, as we seem to be 18 months behind the curve on spotting these players so when BFC eyes stumble on them their price has doubled and we cannot afford them.

Remember in 2019 we were told we bid 20m for Phillips and 12m for Adams from MG, we ended up with Danny Drinkwater, Erik Peiters and BPF for a combined 4m.
Then poof as if by magic the money disappeared and we were skint...
Garlick Is very clever with gaining the sympathy from fans, I remember when we bid £9M for Deeney and ended up with Sordell.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:37 am
by MACCA
KRBFC wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:32 am
Garlick Is very clever with gaining the sympathy from fans, I remember when we bid £9M for Deeney and ended up with Sordell.
But then he wins them over with the "season tickets are frozen... AGAIN" and all is forgotten.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:44 am
by jrgbfc
Bielsa gets plaudits because most football fans appreciate watching good football. Leeds will never be in a dull game with their style of play. Can you imagine watching some of our games as a neutral? Its almost enough to put you off football for life.

Re: Bielsa

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:54 pm
by Spijed
Last season Chris Wilder was seen as a tactical genius, so what's to say the same doesn't happen to the Leeds manager next year?