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Lower House Pro 2021

Post by onewillieirvine » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:05 am

Mr S. Parry. Should get a bagful of wickets. Top pro I reckon

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:09 am

Should be a fantastic signing, sounds like a top bloke as well, that's really interested in developing the youngsters at the club.
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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

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Post by onewillieirvine » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:39 am

A major coup for Lowerhouse many clubs would have had their eyes on somebody of his calibre.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by jdrobbo » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:40 am

Jeez, that’s a stupendously good signing.

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Post by Marney&Mee » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:44 am

Clitheroe wanted him apparently but not enough space left in the groundsmans hut
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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:55 am

That looks a damn good signing by the House. Well done to arise_sir_charge and his team for getting that one over the line.

Parry also shares a birthday with some decent people. :D

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:09 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:55 am
That looks a damn good signing by the House. Well done to arise_sir_charge and his team for getting that one over the line.

Parry also shares a birthday with some decent people. :D
Thank you Tony.

Stephen is a great cricketer but he also comes across a a great lad. He had many opportunities as I'm sure you can imagine, I am just glad he chose us and having a crack at the Lancs League over some others that were better for him financially. He loves cricket, loves coaching youngsters and we are looking forward to having him around the place!
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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:19 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:09 am
Thank you Tony.

Stephen is a great cricketer but he also comes across a a great lad. He had many opportunities as I'm sure you can imagine, I am just glad he chose us and having a crack at the Lancs League over some others that were better for him financially. He loves cricket, loves coaching youngsters and we are looking forward to having him around the place!
Obviously I don't know him but you get a feel for someone when you get the opportunity to see them and talk to them. He's certainly a very good cricketer and I can only imagine he'll make an outstanding Lancs League pro. He's only 34 too which is no age. I can't say I'll be popping down to watch him too often but hope he does well for you. It's rare these days that the announcement of a new Lancs League pro grabs much attention. This one definitely has.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:41 pm

Why has he retired at only 34 ?

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by tiger76 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:58 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:41 pm
Why has he retired at only 34 ?
IDK all his reasons, but he hasn't played a huge amount of 1st team cricket at Lancs in the past couple of years, so maybe he just wants to play regularly and enjoy his final few seasons in the sport, quite a coup for the House anyway, if he stays fit then he must have a fair shout at being the top wicket taker next season.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm

Hope he can still bowl because he carnt bat if all else fails at least he can light the bonfire upthecolne

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:29 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm
Hope he can still bowl because he carnt bat if all else fails at least he can light the bonfire upthecolne
He's no Price is right, is he!

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:30 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm
Hope he can still bowl because he carnt bat if all else fails at least he can light the bonfire upthecolne
I’m going to have to start a post of the week award for those posts which make me laugh. While not agreeing the sentiment, the reference to the bonfire did make me chuckle.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:56 pm

Thank you tony 👍

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Post by Andreshotboots » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:41 am

He now joins the other 5 ;)

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:30 am

He sounds like he will be great around the club and left arm spinners always do well in league cricket.

But I'm a little surprised by this news if I'm honest. Going off what their fans say on here it's the batting department that needed strengthening. They looked far more dangerous (on paper anyhow)with the hard hitting batsman they signed for last year.
But they might be wise getting the signing of a English pro in early. I believe the no overseas pro's rule has been put back a year, until next year. But it will soon come around and they will be in demand.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 am

I’d say we put up plenty of match winning totals but don’t build anywhere near enough pressure with the ball.

Seen a comment above saying he can’t bat. We will see with that but I’m not in the slightest worried in that regard.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Andreshotboots » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:15 am

They said Funky Collin Miller couldn't bat when he came to us, he did the double so I wouldn't worry..batting in first class cricket is miles apart from the Lancs league. He will get 500 plus runs without a doubt.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:11 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:15 am
They said Funky Collin Miller couldn't bat when he came to us, he did the double so I wouldn't worry..batting in first class cricket is miles apart from the Lancs league. He will get 500 plus runs without a doubt.
The old timers always say a batting pro wins games but a bowling pro wins leagues.

Not many clubs go for bowling pro's these days though. Maybe the chairmen want longer games for the bar takings?
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Post by Hopey » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:11 pm
The old timers always say a batting pro wins games but a bowling pro wins leagues.

Not many clubs go for bowling pro's these days though. Maybe the chairmen want longer games for the bar takings?
Think our crowds are big enough ;)

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:21 pm

Very good signing. Will they be charging for friendlies to pay the wage 😉

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:00 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:21 pm
Very good signing. Will they be charging for friendlies to pay the wage 😉
No, we have some morals ;)

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Somethingfishy » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:03 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 am
I’d say we put up plenty of match winning totals but don’t build anywhere near enough pressure with the ball.

Seen a comment above saying he can’t bat. We will see with that but I’m not in the slightest worried in that regard.
Having watched House regularly both home and away the last few seasons the biggest problem they have is that they struggle with a decent run chase. A lack of aggression often being an issue and the run rate just getting higher and higher until the pressure becomes too much. The loss at Walsden this last season being a case in point. They posted a very good total and despite us not being far off on the chase we were never quite there..very frustrating. I often worry for us when we bat second against any of the decent sides. Hopefully with his signing we can be chasing much lower totals. I am very happy with the signing but i do think we need another decent middle order batsman.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:09 pm

Fair points but it's very difficult to find better players than those that we have unless you are willing to pay, which we aren't.

I think with Stephen in the team, a fit and hopefully firing Francois and if Jonny can continue where he left off last summer it's difficult to see who you'd leave out of an XI to accommodate another batter.

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Post by Somethingfishy » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:16 pm

Full strength then we have a team as capable of any of mounting a challenge at the top. The problem arises when any of the main batsmen are missing. We lose any of Jonny, Ben, Deano, Frankie or Charlie and we instantly look brittle. Paddy perhaps included too. Perhaps I am judging too much from last season when things were very much a mess regards fixtures and availability.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:27 pm

Yes, hard to judge based on last season however in the longer format we only lost to Walsden in a tight game with a decimated line up and Burnley in a tight game with a pro.

In respect of batting 10 of the regular line up have Lancs League 50's to their name and not just one, multiple. There won't be many can boast that kind of output.

On last season you are adding a pro and Frankie back into your line up. A new pro generally gives the place a lift plus, don't under estimate the pro's batting.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by RBFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:41 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:30 am
He sounds like he will be great around the club and left arm spinners always do well in league cricket.

But I'm a little surprised by this news if I'm honest. Going off what their fans say on here it's the batting department that needed strengthening. They looked far more dangerous (on paper anyhow)with the hard hitting batsman they signed for last year.
But they might be wise getting the signing of a English pro in early. I believe the no overseas pro's rule has been put back a year, until next year. But it will soon come around and they will be in demand.
I believe you will still be able to get overseas pro’s in 2022 if your league is an ECB Premier League. Not sure if that’s something the Lancs League are looking at becoming but if they are I think they will need to advertise for more clubs to join as I think they need 3 divisions as a minimum.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:48 pm

RBFC wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:41 pm
I believe you will still be able to get overseas pro’s in 2022 if your league is an ECB Premier League. Not sure if that’s something the Lancs League are looking at becoming but if they are I think they will need to advertise for more clubs to join as I think they need 3 divisions as a minimum.
Yes, you are right.

The last I heard was the Lancs league wanted to bring in the Ribb league as their 3rd tier to qualify as a premier league but without promotion/relegation.

I think the Ribb league said no without promotion and expect them to give in.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:58 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 am
I’d say we put up plenty of match winning totals but don’t build anywhere near enough pressure with the ball.

Seen a comment above saying he can’t bat. We will see with that but I’m not in the slightest worried in that regard.
I’ve seen a lot of professionals come into the league over the years who apparently couldn’t bat but had no problems in getting runs in the league.

I’m sure Parry will get runs in the league alongside his obvious bowling talent.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by RBFC » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:35 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:48 pm
Yes, you are right.

The last I heard was the Lancs league wanted to bring in the Ribb league as their 3rd tier to qualify as a premier league but without promotion/relegation.

I think the Ribb league said no without promotion and expect them to give in.
Do you expect the Ribb league to come in as the 3rd tier without promotion/relegation or you expect the Lancs League to give in and allow promotion/relegation between the 2nd and 3rd division?

I thought to become a ECB Premier League you are expected to establish links to other leagues in order to allow ambitious clubs to aspire to Premier League status over time which has been done with other leagues having promotion/relegation like the Northern League and Palace Shield.

Does this not mean promotion/relegation is needed between the Lancs League/Ribb League for it to become a Premier League.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:08 pm

RBFC wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:35 am
Do you expect the Ribb league to come in as the 3rd tier without promotion/relegation or you expect the Lancs League to give in and allow promotion/relegation between the 2nd and 3rd division?

I thought to become a ECB Premier League you are expected to establish links to other leagues in order to allow ambitious clubs to aspire to Premier League status over time which has been done with other leagues having promotion/relegation like the Northern League and Palace Shield.

Does this not mean promotion/relegation is needed between the Lancs League/Ribb League for it to become a Premier League.
It would be stupid of the Ribb league to go in as a 3rd tier with no promotion as there won't be any benefits. Just there in name only and have to go by their rules.

It was someone on the Ribb league side I was speaking to about it so I accept he might be biased in that direction, but he seemed pretty confident the Lancs league needed them now, so had more leverage.

One thing is for sure it will be a sad day for league cricket in the area when overseas pro's aren't allowed.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:22 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:08 pm
It would be stupid of the Ribb league to go in as a 3rd tier with no promotion as there won't be any benefits. Just there in name only and have to go by their rules.

It was someone on the Ribb league side I was speaking to about it so I accept he might be biased in that direction, but he seemed pretty confident the Lancs league needed them now, so had more leverage.

One thing is for sure it will be a sad day for league cricket in the area when overseas pro's aren't allowed.
I've not been following this about the overseas professionals but if it needs the Ribblesdale League onside then I can't for one reason think why they should get involved unless there is something in it for them such as potential promotion.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:22 pm
I've not been following this about the overseas professionals but if it needs the Ribblesdale League onside then I can't for one reason think why they should get involved unless there is something in it for them such as potential promotion.
I think the Lancs league are frightened that their lesser clubs from the traditional set up could end up in the 3rd tier.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:28 pm
I think the Lancs league are frightened that their lesser clubs from the traditional set up could end up in the 3rd tier.
Wouldn't surprise me. Only 5 of the traditional 14 in div 1 next season.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Thickneck » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:28 pm

I believe that the Lancs League require certain criteria to be met re facilities, ground size, car parking etc. Some Ribblesdale League clubs do not satisfy these criteria and therefore unless the Lancs League relax their requirements or the Ribblesdale League clubs bring their facilities up to scratch then there will be an impasse. It's exactly the same in the football non league pyramid when teams gain promotion, they have to improve their facilities.
It was obviously not a problem for Clitheroe when they stepped up a few years ago - their extensive network of groundsmen saw to that!
Up the House!!

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:36 pm

The expansion of the league has been a huge success and clubs are, as far as I am aware, very happy with how the first couple of seasons have panned out. The standard in the top division next year will be excellent and the knock on effect is that the second division is more competitive as well.

However, the clubs have expressed a desire that the league allow things to settle a bit before embarking on any further expansion.

The problem is that the there are likely to be additional restrictions applied to overseas players and the likelihood is that part of being able to obtain a visa for an overseas player will involve affiliation to an ECB Premier League. It was mooted that this would be this season where as it's now more likley to be by 2022.

The LL are short of one thing in respect of Premier League status and that is a feeder league.

So, the RL is the obvious option. However the RL want a straight two up two down format where as the LL are keen to apply something similar to the Liverpool Comp in which the Southport and District League is a feeder league and there are criteria (ground/facilities etc) that have to be met before a team can be promoted into the Liverpool Comp structure.

I also believe that there is a deadline on making a Premier League application so I'd expect there to be more movement in the coming weeks/months.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by onewillieirvine » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:43 pm

ASC- I think the Northern League have the same structure as the Liverpool Comp as well. Since their merger with the Palace Shield there's been a good few surprises, Fulwood, Longridge and Garstang. It should have happened years ago.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:51 pm

Thickneck wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:28 pm
It was obviously not a problem for Clitheroe when they stepped up a few years ago - their extensive network of groundsmen saw to that!
Up the House!!
:D :D :D

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:52 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:36 pm
The expansion of the league has been a huge success and clubs are, as far as I am aware, very happy with how the first couple of seasons have panned out. The standard in the top division next year will be excellent and the knock on effect is that the second division is more competitive as well.

However, the clubs have expressed a desire that the league allow things to settle a bit before embarking on any further expansion.

The problem is that the there are likely to be additional restrictions applied to overseas players and the likelihood is that part of being able to obtain a visa for an overseas player will involve affiliation to an ECB Premier League. It was mooted that this would be this season where as it's now more likley to be by 2022.

The LL are short of one thing in respect of Premier League status and that is a feeder league.

So, the RL is the obvious option. However the RL want a straight two up two down format where as the LL are keen to apply something similar to the Liverpool Comp in which the Southport and District League is a feeder league and there are criteria (ground/facilities etc) that have to be met before a team can be promoted into the Liverpool Comp structure.

I also believe that there is a deadline on making a Premier League application so I'd expect there to be more movement in the coming weeks/months.
Seems a pretty fair post about the situation.

The logical way around it would be for both leagues to work hard on fund raising grants to improve any facilities deemed not up to standard. I presume premier league status will open more funding streams?

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:50 pm

I think the Premier League money is circa £10k per season which won’t stretch far across 36 teams.

The LL do have an excellent sponsorship package with JW Lees and they provide funding that gives each club a share, provides money to administer the league and promote it/Lees (ie branded stumps/umpire jackets etc) but also gives a pot to which clubs can apply for grants for improvements. This pot is given priorities by the league, a recent example being those clubs applying to fund additional sight screens etc.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:36 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:50 pm
I think the Premier League money is circa £10k per season which won’t stretch far across 36 teams.

The LL do have an excellent sponsorship package with JW Lees and they provide funding that gives each club a share, provides money to administer the league and promote it/Lees (ie branded stumps/umpire jackets etc) but also gives a pot to which clubs can apply for grants for improvements. This pot is given priorities by the league, a recent example being those clubs applying to fund additional sight screens etc.
Have you heard any updates?

I believe February is the deadline for applying for Premier league status?

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Dressinggown » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:33 pm

'The old timers always say a batting pro wins games but a bowling pro wins leagues.'

This is a rather astute move and hats off to those at the club to secure a player of this calibre. A good spinning professional who can tie up one end only results in wickets falling at the other. If he gets 500 runs it is simply a bonus.

I can only hope that for everyone we can have some sort of proper season in these bad times.

Up the House.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Local cricketer » Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:20 pm

I see that Greenmount have got Chesney Hughes as pro. I doubt Greenmount is big enough for him. Hits a long ball

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:26 am

Dressinggown wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:33 pm
'The old timers always say a batting pro wins games but a bowling pro wins leagues.'

This is a rather astute move and hats off to those at the club to secure a player of this calibre. A good spinning professional who can tie up one end only results in wickets falling at the other. If he gets 500 runs it is simply a bonus.

I can only hope that for everyone we can have some sort of proper season in these bad times.

Up the House.
I've always thought that about batting pros winning games but bowling pros winning leagues. Would be interesting to see whether stats back that up.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by RBFC » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:37 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:36 am
Have you heard any updates?

I believe February is the deadline for applying for Premier league status?
The latest update was on the Lancashire League Website and the Chairman’s Christmas Message which said :

“The chief concern apart from the Pandemic issues have revolved around the subject of the engagement of Overseas players and the stance by the Home Office to restrict them only to Premier Leagues.

Whilst the holding of “Clubmark Accreditation” allows their engagement for 2021, future years are in considerable doubt.

This brings us to the question of whether or not our league should apply for Premier League status which would mean us linking in some form with a Feeder League.

Members of your Executive met with members of the RCL to discuss this matter in an attempt to ascertain if there was enough interest.

We have spoken at length with the Northern League /Palace Shield and also with the Liverpool Competition /Southport & District League who have all experienced the same concerns when they became Premier Leagues.

Hopefully, we will all be allowed to meet in January where the subjects can be discussed at length and a decision taken on our next move”

Not sure if there has been any update since this was published in December.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:45 pm

There is a LL League meeting this week, via Zoom, with this being on the agenda. I don't think February is a 'hard' deadline for applications to be a Premier League though.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by RBFC » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:43 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:45 pm
There is a LL League meeting this week, via Zoom, with this being on the agenda. I don't think February is a 'hard' deadline for applications to be a Premier League though.
Has there been any update from the LL meeting?

I see the Greater Manchester League are progressing with an application which is being considered by the ECB at the end of February.

Let’s hope the cricket season can start on time and all the overseas professionals can travel over.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Dressinggown » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:26 am
I've always thought that about batting pros winning games but bowling pros winning leagues. Would be interesting to see whether stats back that up.
The esteemed custodian of the Lancashire League website, Nigel Stockley, would be the best starting point but he won't thank me for this.

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Re: Lower House Pro 2021

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:46 pm

RBFC wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:43 am
Has there been any update from the LL meeting?

I see the Greater Manchester League are progressing with an application which is being considered by the ECB at the end of February.

Let’s hope the cricket season can start on time and all the overseas professionals can travel over.
https://twitter.com/NeilBonnarBN/status ... 13986?s=19
Bolton cricket journalist says clubs have voted to apply for the premier league.
That they have been accepted.

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