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Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:24 pm

Bloody hell 😲😲😲

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:26 pm

Very very lucky boy.

Thought it started at 2.30. Turned it on and saw what happened.

How he’s okay I’ve no idea. F1 cars a built in a certain way to be strong. But not to be opened up like a tinned can going through a barrier.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by taio » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:26 pm

How's he walked away from it? Car split in two.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm

Huge questions as to why the barrier broke in that way, that is what ripped the car apart and the halo saved a decapitation

Grosjean with some burns to his leg but was able to runaway from the scene and walk to the ambulance
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm

What's happened

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm

I’m more gobsmacked after every replay.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm
What's happened
Opening lap 3rd corner Romain Grosjean car hits barrier ... Splits in two and explodes in flame ... Grosjean walks away from it 😲😲😲

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by taio » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 pm

Dyched wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm
I’m more gobsmacked after every replay.
Me too. Stunned he was able to walk/run away. Can't remember last time I saw a F1 car in a ball of flames or completely split in two.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:30 pm
Opening lap 3rd corner Romain Grosjean car hits barrier ... Splits in two and explodes in flame ... Grosjean walks away from it 😲😲😲
Cheers pal.
.put it on now

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 pm

In years of watching F1 it’s been a very long time since I saw a car burst into flames in a crash. How he got out of that crash alive I will never know.
Looks like the Halo saved his life.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:33 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Huge questions as to why the barrier broke in that way, that is what ripped the car apart and the halo saved a decapitation

Grosjean with some burns to his leg but was able to runaway from the scene and walk to the ambulance
Yep certainly. Those barriers though weren’t put there to take an impact like that. It’s why tracks couldn’t be reversed in the beginning of the season when the same circuits had 2 races. Barriers are put in certain points to provide protection. That barrier today very much like you’d get around monaco where hits would only be side to side so to speak.

It’s incredible he was even walkin. Unbelievable.
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:34 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 pm
Me too. Stunned he was able to walk/run away. Can't remember last time I saw a F1 car in a ball of flames or completely split in two.
Incredible. It actually reminded me of 9/11. Where the plane hit and the huge fireball and puff of smoke/debris leaving the other side of the building. The exact same thing happened with the barrier/car.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:36 pm

You have to praise the designers of these F1 cars ... also the marshalls quick thinking and the fire controllers ....
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:36 pm

Just seen the replay. Unbelievable, thank God he got away with his life.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:39 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:36 pm
You have to praise the designers of these F1 cars ... also the marshalls quick thinking and the fire controllers ....
It was the medical team first on the scene as they follow during the first lap

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by exilecanada » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:42 pm

I've just about given up on F1, it's become so boring. Decided to watch this race because night races look so cool. As others have mentioned, it's a long time since an F1 car burst into flames! How the car got cut in half will need some investigation. Kudos to car designers, incredible he walked away.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:01 pm

Those Halos have saved so many lives. This is yet another one.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:26 pm

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/ ... start.html

Just crazy but the more you watch it the more amazed I am that he walked away...

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:35 pm

readying to start again

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:43 pm

Another one. Thankfully nowhere near as bad.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:17 pm

Normal service is resumed,"cars driving round and round an airfield in a procession "

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by NewClaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:36 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Was never really a fan of the halo but saved a decapitation there, so changed my mind.

Shocking to see an F1 car torn apart like that, but the chassis did its job so credit to the designers.
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:55 pm

I agree the Halo did it’s job, but you have to reconsider circuit design if a car can impact the barrier with that angle of attack - some serious questions need asking there

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:57 pm

They spoke about the halo and the debate around it today. They agreed you don’t even realise it hasn’t also been there. Older cars look weirder now for not having them.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:12 pm

I honestly thought we were watching another F1 driver lose his life when I saw the tub embedded in the barrier and the rear half separated.
Amazing he walked away with slight burns and broken ribs.
Those barriers will be redesigned for next season.

If I was Roman I think I would finish racing after that.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:12 pm
I honestly thought we were watching another F1 driver lose his life when I saw the tub embedded in the barrier and the rear half separated.
Amazing he walked away with slight burns and broken ribs.
Those barriers will be redesigned for next season.

If I was Roman I think I would finish racing after that.
What mystified me was they replaced the barriers with 6 massive lumps of concrete 🤔

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:37 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:14 pm
What mystified me was they replaced the barriers with 6 massive lumps of concrete 🤔
I know, it’s madness if you ask me

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:59 pm

Shocking crash, sends shivers down my spine

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:16 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:37 pm
I know, it’s madness if you ask me
I think they should have just called it off.money i suppose dictatated they had to race.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:36 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:12 pm

If I was Roman I think I would finish racing after that.
he was leaving F! at the end of the season anyhow - injuries mean he won't race again this season in all probability

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:40 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:14 pm
What mystified me was they replaced the barriers with 6 massive lumps of concrete 🤔
The cars are designed to take that kind of impact. Today’s accident was one of those freak things that happens. It’s just great Romain walked away.
I got very emotional when I saw the pictures of him climbing out.
Having watched Rattensburger and Senna lives end live on TV, I had a horrible feeling in my stomach.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:43 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:16 pm
I think they should have just called it off.money i suppose dictatated they had to race.
Drivers have died in the past and they still raced. F1 is the safest it’s ever been and that’s a good thing. But I do think Romain was a very lucky man today.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:44 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:36 pm
he was leaving F! at the end of the season anyhow - injuries mean he won't race again this season in all probability
Wouldn't imagine so.

There's talk of their reserve driver Fittipaldi but I duno if he has superlicense points or would even be able to drive the car at such short notice.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:43 pm
Drivers have died in the past and they still raced. F1 is the safest it’s ever been and that’s a good thing. But I do think Romain was a very lucky man today.
Making it safe has taken away its spectacle cars dont really crash anymore i know its safer but the sport is a loser because of that.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:52 pm

Steve, are you a little girl or a troll?

Go away if you don't want to discuss like someone with testicles.

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Post by PeterWilton » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:02 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:52 pm
Making it safe has taken away its spectacle cars dont really crash anymore i know its safer but the sport is a loser because of that.
I think the same about football. Not enough broken legs any more since two footed knee-high tackles were banned.

Football was more fun when people finished matches with career ending injuries. It's lost its spectacle.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:03 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:52 pm
Steve, are you a little girl or a troll?

Go away if you don't want to discuss like someone with testicles.
🤣🤣🤣 Tarkys Lugholes calling someone a Troll ...


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Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:06 pm

Bosscat wrote:
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🤣🤣🤣 Tarkys Lugholes calling someone a Troll ...


Ladies and Gentlemen I give todays ... Numpty post of the day
Now now lass, did I say something about one of your friends???? :(
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:10 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
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Now now lass, did I say something about one of your friends???? :(
Nowt to do with that grandma ... more to do with your reputation for total and utter Trollery on a grand scale 😁

Now run along your nurse is calling you ... 😉

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:12 pm

Ok love

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:40 pm
The cars are designed to take that kind of impact. Today’s accident was one of those freak things that happens. It’s just great Romain walked away.
I got very emotional when I saw the pictures of him climbing out.
Having watched Rattensburger and Senna lives end live on TV, I had a horrible feeling in my stomach.
I completely disagree, the cars are not designed to take “that kind of impact” that was Armco barriers he hit, almost head on. Armco barriers are designed to protect against side impacts not head on, and the cars are not engineered with hitting arm Armco barrier head on. Most areas of the track are designed with run offs over gravel traps into tyre barriers to absorb the impact energy where there is a risk of running off at speed.

Grosjean is a very lucky bloke today, there was effectively no run off, and no tyre barrier to absorb the head on impact, which is why the energy of the impact ripped the car in half because it wasn’t designed for that type of impact.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:35 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:18 pm
I completely disagree, the cars are not designed to take “that kind of impact” that was Armco barriers he hit, almost head on. Armco barriers are designed to protect against side impacts not head on, and the cars are not engineered with hitting arm Armco barrier head on. Most areas of the track are designed with run offs over gravel traps into tyre barriers to absorb the impact energy where there is a risk of running off at speed.

Grosjean is a very lucky bloke today, there was effectively no run off, and no tyre barrier to absorb the head on impact, which is why the energy of the impact ripped the car in half because it wasn’t designed for that type of impact.
Think we have crossed wires , sorry.
I agree the barrier he hit was not designed to fail the way it did. Nor is the car designed to take an impact where the tub stops so abruptly without bouncing off the barrier.
Cars are designed to take a head on hit to a solid barrier they replaced it with. As per most street circuits.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by exilecanada » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:42 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:18 pm
I completely disagree, the cars are not designed to take “that kind of impact” that was Armco barriers he hit, almost head on. Armco barriers are designed to protect against side impacts not head on, and the cars are not engineered with hitting arm Armco barrier head on. Most areas of the track are designed with run offs over gravel traps into tyre barriers to absorb the impact energy where there is a risk of running off at speed.

Grosjean is a very lucky bloke today, there was effectively no run off, and no tyre barrier to absorb the head on impact, which is why the energy of the impact ripped the car in half because it wasn’t designed for that type of impact.

From the pictures I saw it would appear the car crash protection performed as designed. The rear separated from the tub, leaving the driver somewhat protected in the tub. However, I'm sure there'll be some investigation happening.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:42 pm

PeterWilton wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:02 pm
I think the same about football. Not enough broken legs any more since two footed knee-high tackles were banned.

Football was more fun when people finished matches with career ending injuries. It's lost its spectacle.
Ok football has gone the same way as F1 then....SOFT

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by exilecanada » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:46 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:52 pm
Making it safe has taken away its spectacle cars dont really crash anymore i know its safer but the sport is a loser because of that.

If you want to see car crashes, change your allegiance to NASCAR. Little wonder the rednecks voted for Trump, Donnie's the ultimate car wreck. :lol:

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Dyched » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:51 pm

That barrier today was certainly not designed to take that impact. There the same barriers that line the circuit in monaco and along all over straights at circuits. It’s way they didn’t reverse tracks as well. Barriers and run offs are designed and places where accidents are prone to happen.

They’ll be an investigation. They showed on skypad that debris hit his tyre and another car going off to the left of him resulted in him turning sharply right. Wether debris caused that they’ll find out. But he made a very strange decision in sharply (by F1 standards) right. It was a freak incident which luckily he walked away from. I’m still puzzled how he got through the gap in the fence. The halo is there of course, but twisted bits of barrier could have easily got in between the halo. Remarkable.
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Zlatan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:35 pm
Cars are designed to take a head on hit to a solid barrier they replaced it with. As per most street circuits.
No, I’m afraid you are wrong, they are not designed for high speed head on impacts like we saw today and replacing Armco with concrete blocks in the same place was asking for a death to happen.

The highest speed that any car can take for a head on impact into a solid object (concrete block) is approximately 65mph where the crumple zone becomes ineffective in preventing a fatality from head trauma (where the momentum of the brain mass accelerating inside the skull results in severing the spinal column)

What they needed on that section of the track is something to increase the deceleration of a car safely (tyre wall) should the car end up going in head on, not a concrete block.
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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:07 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:04 pm
No, I’m afraid you are wrong, they are not designed for high speed head on impacts like we saw today and replacing Armco with concrete blocks in the same place was asking for a death to happen.

The highest speed that any car can take for a head on impact into a solid object (concrete block) is approximately 65mph where the crumple zone becomes ineffective in preventing a fatality from head trauma (where the momentum of the brain mass accelerating inside the skull results in severing the spinal column)

What they needed on that section of the track is something to increase the deceleration of a car safely (tyre wall) should the car end up going in head on, not a concrete block.
Great post Zlatan.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:11 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:04 pm
No, I’m afraid you are wrong, they are not designed for high speed head on impacts like we saw today and replacing Armco with concrete blocks in the same place was asking for a death to happen.

The highest speed that any car can take for a head on impact into a solid object (concrete block) is approximately 65mph where the crumple zone becomes ineffective in preventing a fatality from head trauma (where the momentum of the brain mass accelerating inside the skull results in severing the spinal column)

What they needed on that section of the track is something to increase the deceleration of a car safely (tyre wall) should the car end up going in head on, not a concrete block.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Romain hit that barrier at 145 mph and stopped almost instantly. Not only did he not suffer head trauma, he was conscious enough to get out of the crash in a ball of flames.

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Re: Bahrain Grand Prix

Post by NewClaret » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:12 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:14 pm
What mystified me was they replaced the barriers with 6 massive lumps of concrete 🤔
Edit - hadn’t read the subsequent conversation.
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