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Post by Pstotto » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:11 pm

I don't know if you've seen 'dwarf cars' on Youtube, I wrote to RR about Mini Rolls but no reply. Perhaps the workforce can be remployed to mend old toy cars for Oxfam whatever, you know... Like they do on BBC.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:35 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:22 pm
Why make this post political?

Loads of people are losing their jobs as a result of a decision made by the people that lead the business. There has been an invite for the business to ask/suggest what government support would be required to stop this happening. Warren East has chosen not to take up this offer.

A statement issued yesterday/this week following the announcement of 140 more jobs going clarified they were not interested in the support of the government.

I expect this thread to be closed now given that it has shamefully been brought back to politics when the real culprits of this are the people that run the business making these decisions.
“Why make this post political?” I don’t think anybody is not with any purposeful conviction anyhow, the union are just as bad as RR management if certain conditions aren’t met unite refuse to engage with the management, plenty of measures could have been discussed perhaps compromises to avert any strike action, regarding the viability of any government intervention well first of all the government need to be willing to back any RR proposals & even then it’d probably be some sort of a loan, RR have already spunked cash injections before you would be throwing good money away after bad. You could pay people for doing nothing because that’s what you are effectively looking at with the absence of demand.

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Post by Inchy » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:30 pm

I don’t know why but I find all of this stuff fascinating. It’s a different world to my employment


Regardless of who is at fault the fact is many families are going into Xmas with a a huge cloud hanging over their financial future. It must be awful and I feel for them

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:38 pm

Inchy wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:30 pm
I don’t know why but I find all of this stuff fascinating. It’s a different world to my employment


Regardless of who is at fault the fact is many families are going into Xmas with a a huge cloud hanging over their financial future. It must be awful and I feel for them

To be fair, even though I knew what was coming it brought me to tears. I felt I had wasted 23 years of my life. So many friends losing their jobs, it is so sad.
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Post by Inchy » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:38 pm
To be fair, even though I knew what was coming it brought me to tears. I felt I had wasted 23 years of my life. So many friends losing their jobs, it is so sad.


You haven’t wasted 23 years. You were involved with revolutionary manufacturing.

I worked for just over a year in manufacturing deciding what I wanted to do with my life. I pressed 3 buttons a day, for 8 hours. I used that time to realise that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this and thankfully everything lined up and I now have a worthwhile career. But plenty of people spend there entire career pressing those 3 buttons.

Making jet engines at the forefront of technical advancement is not a waste.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:15 pm

Inchy wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:46 pm
You haven’t wasted 23 years. You were involved with revolutionary manufacturing.

I worked for just over a year in manufacturing deciding what I wanted to do with my life. I pressed 3 buttons a day, for 8 hours. I used that time to realise that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this and thankfully everything lined up and I now have a worthwhile career. But plenty of people spend there entire career pressing those 3 buttons.

Making jet engines at the forefront of technical advancement is not a waste.
The one thing I wanted to do was bring jobs to the north west. I did do that but this is a massive blow to the north west.

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Post by Stacky_claret » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:27 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:46 am
I’m surprised that they’ve picked a plant within an EU country, where there’s known trading agreements in place. But still.... probably nowt to do with that eh?
I would imagine there will be a lot more to follow unfortunately 🙁

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Post by cbx750 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:51 pm
It’s a toy Engine, I didn’t get one as my service was just short of 25 years.
You can share mine Lowbank.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:56 pm

cbx750 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm
You can share mine Lowbank.

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Thank you!!!

I did want to get to 25 years but Covid stopped that.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:57 pm

Was talking to a good friend that worked at the majority of the RR sites as an employee and consultant, told me some very interesting stories but ultimately said Barlick didn’t embrace the change required many years ago. He loves the place and lived there but said the management there have themselves to blame
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Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:25 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:52 pm
Sir Frank Whittle invented the jet engine at the factory in Barnoldswick.
The first big airliner jet engine was developed in Barnoldswick, named the Rolls Barnoldswick 211.

Today RR announced its intent to move the part of the factory to Spain it had so far said was safe.
That leaves work for about 60 people on a site that employed 1000 in January.
Any part made that cost £10,000 in Jan will now cost £100,000.
A consequence of an own goal Leave EU vote, I suppose, owing to 'risks of tariffs, as deal not completed. Businesses have to hedge their bets.

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Post by clarethomer » Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:32 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:25 pm
A consequence of an own goal Leave EU vote, I suppose, owing to 'risks of tariffs, as deal not completed. Businesses have to hedge their bets.
That's it Ian, bring a political movement into a thread on a board that has banned political discussion - given that the only response to this is to draw discussions around the politics of brexit - I would ask you to refrain from these kind of posts on this. I think it's important to raise the awareness of what is happening but keep it factual. At no point has the reasons for this happening been given as down to the reasons you are referring to.
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Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:36 pm

I take your point Clarethomer. It was just an observation, this will be a recurring theme next year. Not trying to start a debate. It is just a crying shame for the people involved.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:59 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:57 pm
Was talking to a good friend that worked at the majority of the RR sites as an employee and consultant, told me some very interesting stories but ultimately said Barlick didn’t embrace the change required many years ago. He loves the place and lived there but said the management there have themselves to blame
Honestly, I would say there were corporate mistakes, management mistakes and employee actions that have all led to this very very sad outcome.
But there was always a core of great people who wanted to do their best, that’s the people I feel sorry for.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:09 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:25 pm
A consequence of an own goal Leave EU vote, I suppose, owing to 'risks of tariffs, as deal not completed. Businesses have to hedge their bets.
I guess on the basis of that logic, it’s wise to conclude Singapore & Japan as well as Spain must also belong in the EU, I already accurately predicted months ago the futuristic business shift would be geared towards smaller planes as the world was & had changed.

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Post by Claretitus » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:53 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:56 pm
Thank you!!!

I did want to get to 25 years but Covid stopped that.
You didn’t get one for doing 25 yrs. I retired early in 2014 having done 37 yrs. For 25 yrs service I got a tie :lol: , and a tiny brass clock (with a flat battery), in a brass housing, that appeared to have been milled by a day one apprentice, the finish was so rough, you could literally strike a match on it.
For retirement, I got a framed picture of a jet engine signed by colleagues, and a stainless steel watch with the RR logo on. Absolutely no use to me as I treated myself to a lovely Tag Heuer a couple of years earlier.
We used to make the engines in the Training School. Profile turning the main body/casing, and milling the fan blades on a dividing head set up. We used to cut out a bracket on Fitting, to hang the engine on, and mount on a wooden plinth with a brass plaque on.
They stopped giving them out for a retirement gift in the 80’s, as too many staff were leaving. They were then only presented to senior staff, managers etc.
Another kick in the teeth to loyal staff, in typical Rolls Royce Barnoldswick style.
I feel genuinely sorry for most of the workforce, especially the younger ones, but not for a lot of the senior “management team”, who could not run a bath.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:58 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:59 pm
Honestly, I would say there were corporate mistakes, management mistakes and employee actions that have all led to this very very sad outcome.
But there was always a core of great people who wanted to do their best, that’s the people I feel sorry for.
Yeah, I was never employed by RR but am genuinely gutted because I was proud to have the company in my area. Had many good friends and family work there, and always enjoyed my time working on site.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:53 pm
You didn’t get one for doing 25 yrs. I retired early in 2014 having done 37 yrs. For 25 yrs service I got a tie :lol: , and a tiny brass clock (with a flat battery), in a brass housing, that appeared to have been milled by a day one apprentice, the finish was so rough, you could literally strike a match on it.
For retirement, I got a framed picture of a jet engine signed by colleagues, and a stainless steel watch with the RR logo on. Absolutely no use to me as I treated myself to a lovely Tag Heuer a couple of years earlier.
We used to make the engines in the Training School. Profile turning the main body/casing, and milling the fan blades on a dividing head set up. We used to cut out a bracket on Fitting, to hang the engine on, and mount on a wooden plinth with a brass plaque on.
They stopped giving them out for a retirement gift in the 80’s, as too many staff were leaving. They were then only presented to senior staff, managers etc.
Another kick in the teeth to loyal staff, in typical Rolls Royce Barnoldswick style.
I feel genuinely sorry for most of the workforce, especially the younger ones, but not for a lot of the senior “management team”, who could not run a bath.
The rules as I understood them were you got an engine if you had done 25 years. People were still getting them this year who were at my level and below.

One of the biggest problems in Engineering today is very few designers, Managers and Engineers have actually run a machine or cut a piece of metal.
Also graduates, it’s now culture to move jobs every 18 months and not build up any experience. So the company only has knowledge that lasts two years and the same mistakes are made over and over again. No one listens to experienced Engineers any more.

Going to be some very challenging years for RR going forward.

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Post by cbx750 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:06 pm
The rules as I understood them were you got an engine if you had done 25 years.
I took redundancy/retirement from the shop floor in Jan 2019. Seven people left our section that day and the 3 of us with 25 years got engines the others got nothing which left a bad taste for many.
For 25 years I got a framed certificate a pen and £250.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:53 pm

cbx750 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 pm
I took redundancy/retirement from the shop floor in Jan 2019. Seven people left our section that day and the 3 of us with 25 years got engines the others got nothing which left a bad taste for many.
For 25 years I got a framed certificate a pen and £250.
After 23years, I got nothing. But the pandemic did double my pension pot.

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Post by Claretitus » Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:36 pm

cbx750 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 pm
[quote=Lowbankclaret post_id=<a href="tel:1431523">1431523</a> time=<a href="tel:1607191601">1607191601</a> user_id=55]
The rules as I understood them were you got an engine if you had done 25 years.
I took redundancy/retirement from the shop floor in Jan 2019. Seven people left our section that day and the 3 of us with 25 years got engines the others got nothing which left a bad taste for many.
For 25 years I got a framed certificate a pen and £250.
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Obviously the goalposts have moved re- getting an engine. Personally, after 37 yrs the last thing I need on my limestone fireplace is a mini jet engine :lol: . I think my next goalpost would have been £400 for 40years. £10 for every year!! I’m glad I left when I did. Big pension and no £400. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by conyoviejo » Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:09 pm

I left 20 years ago ,I got 70 grand and a massive pension which keeps going up and up. Phook the toy engines.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:25 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:09 pm
I left 20 years ago ,I got 70 grand and a massive pension which keeps going up and up. Phook the toy engines.
Hope you have enjoyed your retirement so far!

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Post by Claretitus » Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:34 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:25 pm
Hope you have enjoyed your retirement so far!
Well I know I have! Not having to get up every day,dealing with idiots who couldn’t run a corner shop. Honestly, the day I walked out of that turnstile for the last time, I pis**d myself laughing all the way back to Burnley. £1000 a month and £150K. God bless RR. ;)

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:59 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:06 pm
The rules as I understood them were you got an engine if you had done 25 years. People were still getting them this year who were at my level and below.

One of the biggest problems in Engineering today is very few designers, Managers and Engineers have actually run a machine or cut a piece of metal.
Also graduates, it’s now culture to move jobs every 18 months and not build up any experience. So the company only has knowledge that lasts two years and the same mistakes are made over and over again. No one listens to experienced Engineers any more.

Going to be some very challenging years for RR going forward.
The graduate thing is a big deal, we brought some unbelievably smart lads in and they had zero people skills, you asked them to spend time on the shop floor with some old school engineers bullying them and it destroyed them. I had one lad in my office and he told me on his first day he was going to be CEO, had the brains but lasted 5 minutes before they shipped him off. I’ve no doubt he will have gone and done well in life but you need to really assess their personality and character not just the top grades.
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Post by charlyt » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:24 pm

I understand that RR don't provide references to prospective employers.
All they will give out is a statement indicating that a person was employed by them and the dates of service.

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Post by Barlickclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:25 pm

Graduates and skilled men are miles apart. That's why rolls at barlick is going where its going. Too many graduates in charge, with no idea about the product.

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Post by Claretitus » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:41 pm

Barlickclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:25 pm
Graduates and skilled men are miles apart. That's why rolls at barlick is going where its going. Too many graduates in charge, with no idea about the product.
Yep, absolutely. I once watched a graduate stand over the shoulder of a fitter, as he did a weld repair on a component. He was so amazed, he actually prodded the said part as the operator lifted up the visor on his welding helmet. As they led him off to the surgery with the skin melted on his finger, he said “I didn’t realise it would be hot”!! FFS! :o
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Post by Barlickclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:43 pm

😂😂 He's probably the M D now.

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Post by Claretitus » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:49 pm

He didn’t last long. Don’t know what’re he ended up.

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Post by MRG » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:50 pm

You can only milk a cow for so long
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:52 pm

charlyt wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:24 pm
I understand that RR don't provide references to prospective employers.
All they will give out is a statement indicating that a person was employed by them and the dates of service.
Correct and Employees cannot provide references either.

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Post by conyoviejo » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:27 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:25 pm
Hope you have enjoyed your retirement so far!
I certainly have mate,hope you are enjoying yours too. 8-)

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Post by conyoviejo » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:28 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:34 pm
Well I know I have! Not having to get up every day,dealing with idiots who couldn’t run a corner shop. Honestly, the day I walked out of that turnstile for the last time, I pis**d myself laughing all the way back to Burnley. £1000 a month and £150K. God bless RR. ;)
Spot on Claretitus. :D

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:39 pm

charlyt wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:24 pm
I understand that RR don't provide references to prospective employers.
All they will give out is a statement indicating that a person was employed by them and the dates of service.
Trust me that is very very common these days.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:43 pm

conyoviejo wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:27 pm
I certainly have mate,hope you are enjoying yours too. 8-)
I am starting too, just feel sorry the people I left behind and cannot help.

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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:07 am

charlyt wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:24 pm
I understand that RR don't provide references to prospective employers.
All they will give out is a statement indicating that a person was employed by them and the dates of service.
Standard practise for almost all employers these days: dates of employment and job title of the job they held when leaving. Maybe a little disclaimer..." we are able to confirm...." "policy to limit references to these items" and "no liability...."

It was said to me once, as a manager, that if I wrote in a reference that ex-employee was a good member of the team, the new employer may not be looking for a "good team member" - they may want something different and, so, fail the new employee during their probation period.

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:10 am

Barlickclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:43 pm
😂😂 He's probably the M D now.
No he works in a chinese chippy.

Every customer that comes in and orders, he says, "Sore finger"

Most say yes please.

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