Match of the day. Penalty decisions

[Claret]

It makes my blood boil. The Leeds player gets a knock in the penalty area but stays on his feet and it starts a debate in the studio about players going down when touched and that he would have had a penalty if only he’d fallen over. He dint fall over because HE WAS NOT FOULED.
Now, I’ve just seen Sterling jump up in the air to get a penalty and no one seems to mind. No one can say he did not take a dive there.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Sterling's was a joke - again !

[ElectroClaret]

Sterling cheated. Jumped backwards.

[yTib]

when i saw sterling cheat and nobody bat an eyelid i had to immediately turn over.

sick of it now.

[RalphCoatesComb]

I'm sick of it too. Interesting statistic. Most penalties won by a Premier League player.

CHEAT !

And allowed to get away with it time and time again!

[HunterST_BFC]

The very term "Penalties WON" grinds my gears.

Almost like you are applauded for cheating.
They should given for Fouls.

[Claret]

The very term "Penalties WON" grinds my gears.

Almost like you are applauded for cheating.
They should given for Fouls.

Exactly.
Did I hear one of the pundits say they should be given every time there is contact so that players will stop diving? NO! Hows about just giving them for actual FOULS.

[FactualFrank]

Exactly.
Did I hear one of the pundits say they should be given every time there is contact so that players will stop diving? NO! Hows about just giving them for actual FOULS.

I remember Alan Shearer praising players for diving and also remember Iam Wright praising them.

[RammyClaret61]

You use to have to be actually brought down. I’ve just seen the Sterling dive, and that’s all it is a cheating f*#king dive.

[TVC15]

I see that Lineker had another sarcastic pop at SD and Burnley. He seems to get away with it nearly every week.

[Foulthrow]

It’s getting to a point that penalty kicks should be gotten rid of. I think they should be replaced with a direct free kick, 25 yards from goal. You can still score if you’ve got the skill but the incentive to cheat would be reduced. Takes the pressure off referees who can then judge infringements in the box in the same way they do across the rest of the field.

[evensteadiereddie]

I see that Lineker had another sarcastic pop at SD and Burnley. He seems to get away with it nearly every week.

What did he say ?

[TVC15]

They showed the incident where SD thought that under the current contact rules that Westwood should have had a free kick in the build up to their goal.
Cahill and Murphy both thought it wasn’t enough for a foul - and this to context was more in line with their views on the Sterling penalty and that penalties are being wrongly given with not enough contact in their view.
Lineker made a sarcastic comment along the lines “but Sean does not like his players going down ”....knowing full well that Westwood had gone down with little contact.

Issue is Westwood very clearly did not dive.
Was it enough contact for a foul ? Probably not in the world of football many of us have grown up in....but right now all SD was saying is that if these fouls are being given under the current application of the laws then we should have had one....irrespective of whether he thinks it’s the correct application or not.

Cahill and Murphy should have pointed that out that SD was 100% correct and could have still expressed their views that the current laws are wrong.
Lineker was just being an idiot and having what he thought was a clever dig at the hypocrisy of SD....but completely missing the point.

You can see why SD gets frustrated when he is being laughed at for being one of the only managers to take a stance against cheating and diving

[Steve1956]

The Sterling penalty...what a joke football has become.

[Funkydrummer]

Did I nod off or did they not show Dwight's missed chance right at the end ?

No-one likes us, we don't care !!!!

[Funkydrummer]

The Sterling penalty...what a joke football has become.

Agreed - how on earth do both legs fling themselves backwards when there is very little
contact at thigh level ?

An utter disgrace, and the sooner the top 6 bugger off to some super league in the sky, the
better it will be for us and football in general in this country.

[Steve1956]

Agreed - how on earth do both legs fling themselves backwards when there is very little
contact at thigh level.

An utter disgrace, and the sooner the top 6 bugger off to some super league in the sky, the
better it will be for us and football in general in this country.

If that had happened in Everton's penalty area yesterday to one of our players would we have got a penalty......answers on a postcard please,the game is up!

[Claret]

I’ve said it before. The referee should be allowed to ignore any claims for a foul/penalty if the “victim” has in any way exaggerated, play acted or simply dived, regardless of whether there really has been a foul or not

[TVC15]

I’ve said it before. The referee should be allowed to ignore any claims for a foul/penalty if the “victim” has in any way exaggerated, play acted or simply dived, regardless of whether there really has been a foul or not

Exactly what I have said for years - pretty much since that penalty awarded to Man City when Nick Pope slightly touched Bernardo Silva and he did his impression of one of the extras at the start of Saving Private Ryan !
It’s cheating - full stop...they are trying to deceive the referee.
It would soon cut out most of it if it was brought in. And I know it goes into grey areas and the element of subjectiveness etc but a lot of the times one human being can tell pretty easily when another human being has gone down unnaturally. If you see a lot of the falls it isn’t actually physically possible to fall in the way or direction they have from the contact they have had.

Unfortunately it’s never going to happen - simply because too many teams and managers do it to their advantage now. It’s gone too far to turn back.

[Gordaleman]

Agreed - how on earth do both legs fling themselves backwards when there is very little
contact at thigh level ?

An utter disgrace, and the sooner the top 6 bugger off to some super league in the sky, the
better it will be for us and football in general in this country.

The only problem with your last sentence is that we would then have a new 'Top six' who would undoubtedly do the same thing and get all the dubious decisions, with TV backing them all the way.

Football has become a pantomime.

[Funkydrummer]

The only problem with your last sentence is that we would then have a new 'Top six' who would undoubtedly do the same thing and get all the dubious decisions, with TV backing them all the way.

Football has become a pantomime.

Does your statement not assume that they don't do it currently but will start doing it ?

I don't think the "new top six" will have the same powers of persuasion or indeed the equivalent
quick thinking multi million pound cheating barstewards that are currently infesting the game
at the highest level.

[Claret]

Exactly what I have said for years - pretty much since that penalty awarded to Man City when Nick Pope slightly touched Bernardo Silva and he did his impression of one of the extras at the start of Saving Private Ryan !
It’s cheating - full stop...they are trying to deceive the referee.
It would soon cut out most of it if it was brought in. And I know it goes into grey areas and the element of subjectiveness etc but a lot of the times one human being can tell pretty easily when another human being has gone down unnaturally. If you see a lot of the falls it isn’t actually physically possible to fall in the way or direction they have from the contact they have had.

Unfortunately it’s never going to happen - simply because too many teams and managers do it to their advantage now. It’s gone too far to turn back.

Yes, it does go into grey areas and involves subjectiveness but I’d rather there was argument over whether a player dived or was genuinely floored than a debate over whether or not there was contact.

[Belial]

It really is tedious these days. Professional cheats. Sterling has been mastering it for years

[thelaughingclaret]

This is the way the game is. You have to go down, you have to cheat. Don’t hate the player hate the game. One thing we need to do more is go down and cheat. Staying on your feet may win plaudits but going down wins you points and that is what matters. If we stay up because one of our players wins a penalty by diving in the last game of the season you aren’t going to complain are you. This is how the game is. Dyche needs to embrace it and not fight it.
The Leeds player should have gone down, needs to be coached better. These big clubs are coached to go down and they do it well. It is an art and it wins games and points. Deal with it. It ain't changing so if you can’t beat them join them!

[tim_noone]

It really is tedious these days. Professional cheats. Sterling has been mastering it for years

He watches old footage of That Fanny Lee.

[Claret]

This is the way the game is. You have to go down, you have to cheat. Don’t hate the player hate the game. One thing we need to do more is go down and cheat. Staying on your feet may win plaudits but going down wins you points and that is what matters. If we stay up because one of our players wins a penalty by diving in the last game of the season you aren’t going to complain are you. This is how the game is. Dyche needs to embrace it and not fight it.
The Leeds player should have gone down, needs to be coached better. These big clubs are coached to go down and they do it well. It is an art and it wins games and points. Deal with it. It ain't changing so if you can’t beat them join them!

No

[Gordaleman]

Does your statement not assume that they don't do it currently but will start doing it ?

I don't think the "new top six" will have the same powers of persuasion or indeed the equivalent
quick thinking multi million pound cheating barstewards that are currently infesting the game
at the highest level.

Re your first sentence, no. I made in clear that that's what already happens.

As to your second point. Once they are the new top six, they will soon learn.

The only real answer to football's current problems is for fans to speak out more instead of just accepting the current situation. Social media could play it's part by helping to arrange demonstrations against aspects of the game that are ruining 'The beautiful game' as Pelé and Stuart Hall used to call it.

[IanMcL]

Referee has it right there. Not enough contact for me. No pen.
(Mostly said when unfavoured teams fail to get a penalty after a player has been hacked down)

Referee has it right there. There was contact. Player had every right 'to go down'. Penalty all day long.
(Must be stated when a favoured team has gained a penalty, when a player throws himself against a defender and goes down or when a defender brushes against him, when getting the ball)