https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... talks-held

With Cork hopefully fit shortly you could say we will have a decent compliment in CM inc Westy, Stephens and Brownhill

Could Lingard be seen as an improvement on Stephens and maybe cover wide with Brownhill

His wages are high but for a 5/6 month loan it would seem decent business if it helps to keep us up

It is out of the question unless a takeover happens .Even then I would suggest its highly unlikely.

“You can’t be serious man”. “YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS”.

Please God, no.

I'd take Lingard on loan, if Dyche felt he could fit with the dressing room, any signs of him thinking he's the big I am, then no chance!

In terms of technical ability and in an attacking sense he'd be better than anyone we have except maybe McNeil and giving him someone else to play with who is on the same page as him might see a resurgence in his form also.

Can Lingard apply himself to fit the Burnley way? I'm unsure but Dyche is an excellent man manger and Lingard at only 27 might just have something to prove.
If he still has an eye on re-joining the England camp and wants to play he could be a good gamble.

"Could Lingard be seen as an improvement on Stephens"
In terms of ability, a capital YES.

Didn’t someone suggest this on the transfer thread?

No..hes useless

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:21 pm

No..hes useless

Are you being serious?

Far better than almost all our players bar a few, not sure he's a fit for our system though.

Would I take him if available, 100%

Another player that has achieved more in a relatively short time than any other member of our squad yet is considered by many on here to be
"useless".

On a 6 month loan it would be an absolute no brainer in my view. That said I doubt it is at all likely.

Would have him here 100% if he wanted to play football. Sadly he has spent his recent times more interested in being in the Pogba fan club than being a footballer

Would undoubtedly improve us. Personally doubt very much he'd want to come here though.

he has great potential

He’d absolutely walk into our first eleven, even though he is a bit of a tit.

It won’t happen, though.

Me 100%
Burnley 0%

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:41 pm

he has great potential

I'd expect a player at 27 to offer more than great potential, he has all the assets to be a top player, but for whatever reason he can't seem to apply himself and knuckle down, he shows glimpses every now and again, but ultimately he's another one of United's band who falls into the flatters to deceive camp, also I'm not convinced he'd adapt to our dressing room culture, so as he's on daft wages it's a no from me.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:59 pm

I'd expect a player at 27 to offer more than great potential, he has all the assets to be a top player, but for whatever reason he can't seem to apply himself and knuckle down, he shows glimpses every now and again, but ultimately he's another one of United's band who falls into the flatters to deceive camp, also I'm not convinced he'd adapt to our dressing room culture, so as he's on daft wages it's a no from me.

Sorry Tiger it was a tongue in cheek comment i should have added a smiley

Its no wonder Dyche is wanted by a bigger club if even his own fans dont have the confidence that he cant man manage potentially challenging characters and instead can only work with a very specific type of player.

If we get investment and are therefore are able to sign better and more expensive players then Dyche needs to show he can manage the baggage that comes with it.

When you are managing on a shoestring with players of a lower quality than the rest of the division it is fair that Dyche needs a certain team ethos to fight for survival but once you have the cash to compete a manager needs to show other skills that you see in the top managers like Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho who have to keep 20 plus egos happy and pulling in the same direction day after day

We tried to sign him in the summer of the season we first went up under Dyche, so it’s not unreasonable to think that we might be interested. Think he ended up at Birmingham and we got Kightly instead. Dyche likes to go back in for old targets.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:05 pm

Its no wonder Dyche is wanted by a bigger club if even his own fans dont have the confidence that he cant man manage potentially challenging characters and instead can only work with a very specific type of player.

If we get investment and are therefore are able to sign better and more expensive players then Dyche needs to show he can manage the baggage that comes with it.

When you are managing on a shoestring with players of a lower quality than the rest of the division it is fair that Dyche needs a certain team ethos to fight for survival but once you have the cash to compete a manager needs to show other skills that you see in the top managers like Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho who have to keep 20 plus egos happy and pulling in the same direction day after day

Which bigger club is courting Dyche I don't see any takers on the horizon.

Regarding Sean managing difficult characters I offer you Joey Barton, in his time at Burnley to my knowledge there was never any issues on or off the field.

Who knows whether the new owners will even want to keep Sean in post, they may think it's time for a new broom.

And even the top managers have their issues over certain types, take Jose for one, he clearly doesn't want Dele Alli at Spurs.

And all those teams are littered with top players, but all 3 of those managers demand the work ethic, and if they don't get it from their players they aren't slow in criticising.

If we get investment, and that's still very much up in the air, then yes the onus will be on the gaffer to show how he can handle a dressing room with everything that those players will entail.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:41 pm

he has great potential

28 next week - he's gone beyond the potential stage now

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:05 pm

Its no wonder Dyche is wanted by a bigger club if even his own fans dont have the confidence that he cant man manage potentially challenging characters and instead can only work with a very specific type of player.

If we get investment and are therefore are able to sign better and more expensive players then Dyche needs to show he can manage the baggage that comes with it.

When you are managing on a shoestring with players of a lower quality than the rest of the division it is fair that Dyche needs a certain team ethos to fight for survival but once you have the cash to compete a manager needs to show other skills that you see in the top managers like Guardiola, Klopp and Mourinho who have to keep 20 plus egos happy and pulling in the same direction day after day

What was it that Matty Taylor said about Dyche, that he manages by showing every player the utmost respect and honesty. That's what he offers the players who might never cause a potential problem. It's also what he offers player like Joey Barton and the likes. I know of one or two situations where it didn't work out so well but I think you will be hard pushed to find anyone that's played for him who doesn't show him the same respect.

One example which we know didn't work out ultimately was Keith Treacy, but at least he worked and helped him as much as he could. In the end, Keith needed to get away from football but he left the game with a respect for the manager, that I do know.

Give our recent loan signings (and some of our permanent signings) I expect him to be joining us in January as Vydra will go and we need a high priced bench warmer.
Plus the yanks will like him he sounds American like a really bad country singer.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Sorry Tiger it was a tongue in cheek comment i should have added a smiley

No probs, but generally if a guy hasn't made it by his mid to late 20's, it suggests either they aren't good enough, or they lack the desire to succeed at the top level, I'll leave you to decide which applies in Lingard's case.

If we're going to give the likes of Benson game time, then we don't need prima donnas such as Lingard milking the club for a big wedge, I'd rather we looked at promoting our own promising youngsters.

People saying maybe he is better. He would be the best player we had, by quite a long way.

If he was willing to come, then yes.

Good footballer, bags of energy, decent pace....bit of a tool on social media but I couldn't care less as long as he gave 100% every time he pulled the shirt on.

I wouldn't think for one minute that we'd have any much of taking JL this coming window. That said I'd definitely think he'd be a good acquisition. He must be hurting at the lack of opportunity, and I think SD could be just the manager to give him a kick start.

brexit wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm

he sounds American like a really bad country singer.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:27 pm

No probs, but generally if a guy hasn't made it by his mid to late 20's, it suggests either they aren't good enough, or they lack the desire to succeed at the top level, I'll leave you to decide which applies in Lingard's case.

If we're going to give the likes of Benson game time, then we don't need prima donnas such as Lingard milking the club for a big wedge, I'd rather we looked at promoting our own promising youngsters.

Before I decide, can I check whether 200 plus appearances for Man United, 24 England Caps including World Cup appearances and winning the Uefa Cup, Fa Cup and League Cup, (scoring in two of the finals) classes as having made it?

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:50 pm

Before I decide, can I check whether 200 plus appearances for Man United, 24 England Caps including World Cup appearances and winning the Uefa Cup, Fa Cup and League Cup, (scoring in two of the finals) classes as having made it?

Not sure it’s the number of appearances that people question it’s what he actually contributes

His goals/assist stats (36/11) aren’t that great for an “attacking midfielder” over 7years, especially as 8 & 5 of those came in one season - 2017/18

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:50 pm

Before I decide, can I check whether 200 plus appearances for Man United, 24 England Caps including World Cup appearances and winning the Uefa Cup, Fa Cup and League Cup, (scoring in two of the finals) classes as having made it?

He's not made it until he pulls on the Claret and Blue, so probably Villa or Wet Spam.

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:50 pm

Before I decide, can I check whether 200 plus appearances for Man United, 24 England Caps including World Cup appearances and winning the Uefa Cup, Fa Cup and League Cup, (scoring in two of the finals) classes as having made it?

He hasn't played a minute of United's PL campaign this season for what it's worth, I doubt he'll be interested in coming to TM anyway, the rumour mill is linking him with Real Sociedad, so I can see why they'd prove more attractive to him than a PL relegation battle.

Anybody questioning whether this would be a great move is either fishing or plain ignorant to the game. He’d be the best player to have pulled on a claret and blue shirt in many years.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:02 pm

He hasn't played a minute of United's PL campaign this season for what it's worth, I doubt he'll be interested in coming to TM anyway, the rumour mill is linking him with Real Sociedad, so I can see why they'd prove more attractive to him than a PL relegation battle.

Not having played for Man United this season does not mean he hasn't 'made it'. He probably needs a fresh start. He'd be a great acquisition for us albeit very unlikely. His career to date has been successful when benchmarked against many other players.

bit undecided about him, on paper he would walk into our team - but he's struggled to be anything over than average in a team with far better players than we have, there has to be a reason for that

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:17 pm

Which bigger club is courting Dyche I don't see any takers on the horizon.

Regarding Sean managing difficult characters I offer you Joey Barton, in his time at Burnley to my knowledge there was never any issues on or off the field.

Who knows whether the new owners will even want to keep Sean in post, they may think it's time for a new broom.

And even the top managers have their issues over certain types, take Jose for one, he clearly doesn't want Dele Alli at Spurs.

And all those teams are littered with top players, but all 3 of those managers demand the work ethic, and if they don't get it from their players they aren't slow in criticising.

If we get investment, and that's still very much up in the air, then yes the onus will be on the gaffer to show how he can handle a dressing room with everything that those players will entail.

You're misunderstanding me as Im not saying he cant manage these challenging characters but its more the fact that a lot of our fans go on about how new signings need to be a Dyche player as if he hasnt the ability to take on someone like a Lingard and get the best out of him without upsetting the squad mentality

No big team is courting Dyche because again to my main point if even his own fans think we have to sign certain types of players then his reputation about his ability to manage the big starts outside our club is not gonna be great and is going to limit his chances of getting a better job which he has earned with what he has achieved here

I wasnt having a pop at Dyche but rather at those who whenever a skilful player with maybe question marks over his character is mentioned bleat that we cant sign him cos he isnt a Dyche player

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:24 pm

What was it that Matty Taylor said about Dyche, that he manages by showing every player the utmost respect and honesty. That's what he offers the players who might never cause a potential problem. It's also what he offers player like Joey Barton and the likes. I know of one or two situations where it didn't work out so well but I think you will be hard pushed to find anyone that's played for him who doesn't show him the same respect.

One example which we know didn't work out ultimately was Keith Treacy, but at least he worked and helped him as much as he could. In the end, Keith needed to get away from football but he left the game with a respect for the manager, that I do know.

As per my reply to Tiger I wasnt having a pop at Dyche or doubting him more bemoaning those who make out we have to sign Dyche type players as if Dyche couldnt man manage all sorts of different characters.

By all means dont sign Lingard because he isnt good enough for us but those who dismiss him cos he's not a Dyche player are underestimating and undervaluing the talent that Dyche has as a football manager

He had a spell where he was a regular for England not that long ago, and chipped in plenty of goals and assists. So I think we can safely say he's good enough for us.

Reecey1987 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:23 pm

Are you being serious?

Deadly serious, 28 years old and done nothing in the game...Dyche wouldn't entertain this show pony at our club not a chance.
Cant even get in a plss poor United team.

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:25 pm

Deadly serious, 28 years old and done nothing in the game...Dyche wouldn't entertain this show pony at our club not a chance.
Cant even get in a plss poor United team.

Done nothing in the game

This place is getting stranger by the day.

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:29 pm

Done nothing in the game

This place is getting stranger by the day.

A list will be nice...I'll wait

I can't believe people are really saying they wouldn't have Lingard in our squad.

Would you rather have Dale Stephens?

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:25 pm

Deadly serious, 28 years old and done nothing in the game...Dyche wouldn't entertain this show pony at our club not a chance.
Cant even get in a plss poor United team.

If he’s done nothing in the game then what have our players done then?

Another in the long list of players who have 1 outstanding game, followed by 5 bang average.
We can't afford a player who's bang average 5 out of 6 games

If he could play on either wing he would certainly be better than playing a midfielder out of position out there. He would also be able to assist McNeil in getting his head sorted perhaps, as he's been there and bought that T-shirt (going through some rough patches).

all just my opinion of course, you dont have to agree.

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Another in the long list of players who have 1 outstanding game, followed by 5 bang average.
We can't afford a player who's bang average 5 out of 6 games

We can actually. If the entire side is never below bang average each game, then 10th or 11th is guaranteed. If some players do better than bamg average now and then, we go higher. Average sides don't drop below mid-table.

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Another in the long list of players who have 1 outstanding game, followed by 5 bang average.
We can't afford a player who's bang average 5 out of 6 games

Exactly! its not a case of him walking into our team,Dyche wouldnt want him anywhere near it ......... hes a showpony

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:33 pm

If he’s done nothing in the game then what have our players done then?

How many games did he play last season and how many this?.....file under potential he never realised!

It's only three years since he made 20 starts and 13 sub appearances for a Manchester United team that came second, scoring more than a Burnley midfielder ever has in the Premier League. 24 England caps, scored at a World Cup.

If that's doing nothing in the game I think you might be disappointed with any possible signing.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:19 pm

You're misunderstanding me as Im not saying he cant manage these challenging characters but its more the fact that a lot of our fans go on about how new signings need to be a Dyche player as if he hasnt the ability to take on someone like a Lingard and get the best out of him without upsetting the squad mentality

No big team is courting Dyche because again to my main point if even his own fans think we have to sign certain types of players then his reputation about his ability to manage the big starts outside our club is not gonna be great and is going to limit his chances of getting a better job which he has earned with what he has achieved here

I wasnt having a pop at Dyche but rather at those who whenever a skilful player with maybe question marks over his character is mentioned bleat that we cant sign him cos he isnt a Dyche player

Lingard has the skills, I don't think anyone on here is denying that, the big concern for me is would he have the stomach for a relegation scrap, because if he joined us that's what he'd be facing, certainly this season anyway, and having played the majority of his career at a team that expect to win trophies and compete near the top of the league, a survival battle would require a different mentality.

Look ultimately the decision is Sean's, and if he thinks Lingard could add that extra quality to perhaps turn the draws into wins, then who are we to doubt him, I still think it's a moot point anyhow as I can't see Lingard rocking up at the turf anytime soon.

The assets he could bring are he can play left or right, but if we signed him on loan will Sean play him?, our track record on loans isn't brilliant recently especially with wingers, and the last thing we want is a bench warmer earning big bucks, we had that when Hart was here in his last season.