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PSG v Istanbul

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:31 pm

Both PSG & Istanbul Başakşehir have left the pitch after the 4th official used racist words against Demba Ba. (allegedly)

astounding
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Shaggy » Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:57 pm

You mean allegedly used racist words.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Steve1956 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:00 pm

They did the right thing!
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:03 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:31 pm
Both PSG & Istanbul Başakşehir have left the pitch after the 4th official used racist words against Demba Ba.

astounding
If he has, then they have 100% done the right thing

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by box_of_frogs » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:14 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:03 pm
If he has, then they have 100% done the right thing
Agreed.

And if he hasn’t, and if it’s something else like a thinly veiled political dig at the current French to Turkey leader / elected / probable dictator diplomatic spat (or something else)?

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by dougcollins » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:25 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:14 pm
Agreed.

And if he hasn’t, and if it’s something else like a thinly veiled political dig at the current French to Turkey leader / elected / probable dictator diplomatic spat (or something else)?
We are talking about footballers..

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:29 pm

There’s a cafuffle on the Istanbul bench and the ref asks the fourth official who should be sent off and he replies “Negro” which translated is “the black guy” in Romanian

Then Demba Ba and the assistant coach (who the 4th official said should get the red card), start kicking off asking why they referred to him as “Negro”
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Shaggy » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:32 pm

I prefer to wait to get more factual information before commenting further.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Stayingup » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:33 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:25 pm
We are talking about footballers..
Well? They are political now. Doubt most know it though.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Bigvince » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:36 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:32 pm
I prefer to wait to get more factual information before commenting further.
I’d get your comments in quickly before the thread is locked, but I do share your reasoning.
This thread can only go downhill

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:39 pm

Sky reporting IB refusing to play on if 4th official just swaps jobs with the VAR, as he would still be involved in the game. PSG are supporting them by refusing to play on until EUFA apologise to IB.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:43 pm

Is the fourth official a Millwall fan ?

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:58 pm

Maybe people should wait for the facts before accusing the 4th official of racism.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:01 pm

Or defending him.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:58 pm
Maybe people should wait for the facts before accusing the 4th official of racism.
Demba Ba accused him of racism, all the players walked off the pitch. Nobody on here is doing anything other than reporting that.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:01 pm
Or defending him.
Innocent until proven guilty, or are you saying he's guilty until proven innocent Eddie?

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Rowls » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:13 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm
Demba Ba accused him of racism, all the players walked off the pitch. Nobody on here is doing anything than reporting that.
Maybe you could edit in an "alledgedly" or "reportedly" in your OP somewhere?

The last thing the mods want right now is to have a political debate break out.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:16 pm

The facts are out there and not in dispute. All there is left is for all the usual suspects on Social Media to defend the 4th official for referring to the assistant manager as "this black guy" to identify him as if that is perfectly normal and would be used exactly the same if it was a white guy he was identifying

As said the facts are there, everything was mic'd up so over to you guys to make up your excuses and defend the racists like we saw with the Millwall fans at weekend

On a side note faIr play to the QPR players tonight a Millwall which after tonights events is even more important

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:19 pm

What a mess!
Something tells me this story will run and run... although this thread probably won't!

:(

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by tiger76 » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:29 pm

If the 4th official used a racist term as he's alleged to have done, then both teams are 100% correct in leaving the field, and I can't see this game resuming tonight, there is a hope that it might be resumed or even played from scratch tomorrow, but I strongly suspect they'd have to recruit a whole new set of officials.

Whatever the full details are, and they'll no doubt come out in the coming days, the situation is a tad embarrassing for UEFA to say the least, the good aspect of this is that at long last the players have rightly taken a stand, and in a very public manner, this might and I stress might be a watershed moment similar to the England game in Bulgaria.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by box_of_frogs » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:36 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:25 pm
We are talking about footballers..
2205 hrs on the BBC Sport site:

“The Turkish president has made a statement asking Uefa to intervene and condemning what has happened.”

Politics written all over it. Just not the blue v red, right v left that permeates most threads on here.


Edit - or he was racist and the right decision was made. Who knows.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by groove » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:18 pm

What an absolute farce football has become. It seems every week the actual game is becoming lost in a myriad of politics and controversy. I've just realised I don't even know the result of Millwall's game at the weekend. That didn't seem to matter. All we get now are VAR decisions, racism issues, virtue signalling, anti-virtue signalling, wokists, the unwoke, BLM, planes with banners, rainbow laces, female commentators, diversity etc etc. I've had enough. I just want to watch a game of football.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by dsr » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:27 pm

If they really have walked off because they don't like the Romanian word for "black", then I suppose that would be racism. Anti-Romanian. I winder if the 4th official has any comeback? ;)

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by PeterWilton » Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:17 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm
Innocent until proven guilty, or are you saying he's guilty until proven innocent Eddie?
This isn't a trial court.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by PeterWilton » Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:20 am

groove wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:18 pm
What an absolute farce football has become. It seems every week the actual game is becoming lost in a myriad of politics and controversy. I've just realised I don't even know the result of Millwall's game at the weekend. That didn't seem to matter. All we get now are VAR decisions, racism issues, virtue signalling, anti-virtue signalling, wokists, the unwoke, BLM, planes with banners, rainbow laces, female commentators, diversity etc etc. I've had enough. I just want to watch a game of football.
The most unhinged post so far.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by nil_desperandum » Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:55 am

I hesitate to post on this thread, but surely the point is:
It doesn't matter what nationality you are, or what language you speak, if you've risen to the level of officiating at top level EUROPEAN matches, then you should be aware of what terms / words are acceptable, and which aren't
The potential defence: that it was a linguistic "misunderstanding" (or whatever), simply doesn't wash if you are on the touchline at this level. Use of language and protocols should be a part of their training and preparation for the game. (In fact, at that level, they should really swot up on the players names in advance of the match, and if they can't give a name the protocol should be to identify by a player's number.)
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by HunterST_BFC » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:26 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:55 am
I hesitate to post on this thread, but surely the point is:
It doesn't matter what nationality you are, or what language you speak, if you've risen to the level of officiating at top level EUROPEAN matches, then you should be aware of what terms / words are acceptable, and which aren't
The potential defence: that it was a linguistic "misunderstanding" (or whatever), simply doesn't wash if you are on the touchline at this level. Use of language and protocols should be a part of their training and preparation for the game. (In fact, at that level, they should really swot up on the players names in advance of the match, and if they can't give a name the protocol should be to identify by a player's number.)
THIS ^^^^.

All of the above (bar the numbers on players comment) should also include and be applied to players so their "excuse" of ignorance and/or stating cultural differences, etc etc re social media etc as an excuse - are void.
Therefor if you live and work in any country you understand these things - no excuse.
If you post globally - eg social media - no excuse.

And then can we please stop all the diving.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:14 am

Rowls wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:13 pm
Maybe you could edit in an "alledgedly" or "reportedly" in your OP somewhere?

The last thing the mods want right now is to have a political debate break out.
I've added it, I was reporting the story as it is football related, not the facts one way or the other and have zero intention of starting or joining in with any sort of debate on the topic for exactly the reasons you have pointed out. :roll:
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:29 am

todays society is way too soft.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by PeterWilton » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:04 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:55 am
I hesitate to post on this thread, but surely the point is:
It doesn't matter what nationality you are, or what language you speak, if you've risen to the level of officiating at top level EUROPEAN matches, then you should be aware of what terms / words are acceptable, and which aren't
The potential defence: that it was a linguistic "misunderstanding" (or whatever), simply doesn't wash if you are on the touchline at this level. Use of language and protocols should be a part of their training and preparation for the game. (In fact, at that level, they should really swot up on the players names in advance of the match, and if they can't give a name the protocol should be to identify by a player's number.)
It's not even the Romanian word for black that's offensive, as some Dishonest people will try to suggest. You don't refer to someone as "the black one" in any language. Unless you're racist garbage, of course. And to pre-empt the racist garbage who are allowed to post on this site, if you're OK with it then you're racist garbage too.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:16 am

I follow John Barnes on Twitter, he’s really interesting on race and football and he posts eloquently on the subject all the time. Good to get a black footballer’s perspective and insight instead of either a racist moron or some white fella being offended on his behalf.

Anyway, he thinks if it was a case of an official pointing out a coaching staff member as ‘the black one’ (in Romanian) when asked to identify him then he thinks it’s ludicrous that it’s an issue.

Which is interesting and quite unexpected for him. But of course it is only one opinion, obviously Demba Ba and a lot of other players felt differently. It’ll be good to get more information and to me it does instinctively feel wrong. It’s something I’d hopefully not say.

But goes to show that not everyone perceives racism the same way, like everything, there is some nuance. Unless John Barnes is ‘racist garbage’ too of course.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:16 am

Barry_Chuckle wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm
Innocent until proven guilty, or are you saying he's guilty until proven innocent Eddie?

Of course not ! What I'm saying is that it's neither OK to speculate about the bloke's alleged racism nor to immediately assume he's done nothing wrong.
In other words, as others have pointed out, better to wait and see rather than, on the one hand, condemn the chap or, on the other, make lame excuses for him.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:19 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:29 am
todays society is way too soft.

Maybe you are, bud, but most of us are pretty well-adjusted, reasonable and not frightened of life or other people.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:23 am

PeterWilton wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:04 am
It's not even the Romanian word for black that's offensive, as some Dishonest people will try to suggest. You don't refer to someone as "the black one" in any language. Unless you're racist garbage, of course. And to pre-empt the racist garbage who are allowed to post on this site, if you're OK with it then you're racist garbage too.
This is a genuine question, why not the black one if it is a distinguishing feature? I thought that referring to black people of colour as black was acceptable? If I was among 6 black people and I was identified simply as “the white one” I wouldn’t be offended. It seems here that it’s the specific word used that has caused offence.

By the way I’m not defending the official at all as I’ve not seen the incident or heard any audio and clearly whatever he has done has caused an unpleasant scene and upset at least one person. I’m just intrigued as to why referring to someone as the ‘black one’ is considered to be offensive.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Zlatan » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:39 am

#failed

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by CFS » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:43 am

John Barnes is a pwopa bounty and the 4th official was ridiculous coming out with what he did. The ones saying otherwise are lowest of the low. Go join the 'suicide squad' lol.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:54 am

It has come to a point in our society where we have to be extremely cautious with what we say because people have become way too sensitive. You cannot speak freely without offending someone these days and this is really a nuisance. More terms have been labelled as offensive in this generation than at any time before. People need to realise that not everything that is said is meant to be offensive, it is just a style of talking that people may use.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:05 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:54 am
You cannot speak freely without offending someone these days and this is really a nuisance.
If you can’t speak freely without offending someone then maybe you need to have a little think about what you’re saying.
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:31 am

If he literally just meant “ the black guy” which surely an appointed official would mean ? Then it’s a ridiculous overreaction .If he’s called him a “ n*****” “ well it’s understandable . Referring to a man by skin colour when you don’t know his name is hardly offensive surely ?Eg few lads warming up pre game and you’re impressed by the one black in the group “ the black lad is very impressive “ ?
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:59 am

A quick google translate shows the Romanian for black to be “Negru”

Now the question that we don’t know the answer to yet is, did Ba hear this word and think it was the other word?

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:17 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:59 am
A quick google translate shows the Romanian for black to be “Negru”

Now the question that we don’t know the answer to yet is, did Ba hear this word and think it was the other word?
No, Ive seen the footage with the audio of Ba and the anger is nothing to do with misunderstanding the word Negru but more of why did he refer to him as the black one when they never hear white people described as the white one (Ba uses the phrasing the black guy and doesnt reference the use of the Negru word at all).

The audio of the discussion is quite clear and his point is why is it always the 'black guy' but never the 'white guy'

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by dsr » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:25 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:17 am
The audio of the discussion is quite clear and his point is why is it always the 'black guy' but never the 'white guy'
That's an easy one to answer. Because there was only one black guy among several white guys. It's a clear identifier.

Why did the often refer to Peter Crouch as tall but never referred to Gary Lineker asd being of average height? Because height is what makes Crouch stand out. Why is Strachan described as red haired but Lineker never described as black haired? Because black hair doesn't stand out from the crowd.

The question isn't why he said it, that's obvious; the question is, is it permitted to refer to a man's skin colour in describing him?
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by TVC15 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:25 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:54 am
It has come to a point in our society where we have to be extremely cautious with what we say because people have become way too sensitive. You cannot speak freely without offending someone these days and this is really a nuisance.
Based on your posting history it doesn’t seem to have been much of an issue for you !!
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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:30 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:25 am
That's an easy one to answer. Because there was only one black guy among several white guys. It's a clear identifier.

Why did the often refer to Peter Crouch as tall but never referred to Gary Lineker asd being of average height? Because height is what makes Crouch stand out. Why is Strachan described as red haired but Lineker never described as black haired? Because black hair doesn't stand out from the crowd.

The question isn't why he said it, that's obvious; the question is, is it permitted to refer to a man's skin colour in describing him?
That's the question I was asking above.

If referring to a black person as black is offensive, how do we rationalise the use of the word black in the slogan black lives matter.

It's a minefield.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:41 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:31 am
If he literally just meant “ the black guy” which surely an appointed official would mean ? Then it’s a ridiculous overreaction .If he’s called him a “ n*****” “ well it’s understandable . Referring to a man by skin colour when you don’t know his name is hardly offensive surely ?Eg few lads warming up pre game and you’re impressed by the one black in the group “ the black lad is very impressive “ ?
Pretty sure the fourth official should have known his name.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by TVC15 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:57 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:41 am
Pretty sure the fourth official should have known his name.
Not trying to justify what was said at all as I think everyone just needs to wait for details and facts to emerge first but not sure the officials should have know his name - wasn’t he one of what looked like a number of back room staff / coaches ?

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:19 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:41 am
Pretty sure the fourth official should have known his name.
Or his shirt and shorts number..not difficult to pick out.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:23 am

TVC15 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:57 am
Not trying to justify what was said at all as I think everyone just needs to wait for details and facts to emerge first but not sure the officials should have know his name - wasn’t he one of what looked like a number of back room staff / coaches ?
He was a substitute, named in the matchday squad.

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Re: PSG v Istanbul

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:28 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:23 am
He was a substitute, named in the matchday squad.
Pierre Webo was a sub ?

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