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Callum Styles

Post by claretfern » Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:17 pm

His name cropped up on my on line newsfeed today. Apparently he is a 'hot prospect'. When I checked wiki p, it says he started his youth career with us then went to Bury and is currently with Barnsley.
I don't recall his name ever being mentioned on here but apologies if it has.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:53 pm

claretfern wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:17 pm
His name cropped up on my on line newsfeed today. Apparently he is a 'hot prospect'. When I checked wiki p, it says he started his youth career with us then went to Bury and is currently with Barnsley.
I don't recall his name ever being mentioned on here but apologies if it has.
Ask dandeclaret about him, Syles has had a good few mentions on this board.

At 16, coming up to the time when the club make decisions on which players get scholarships, Callum Styles was one who was certain. The scouts and coached in our academy were absolutely stunned when Jason Blake didn't offer him one and sent him packing. Bury snapped him up almost within hours. They had scouts and coaches there who Blake had pushed out.
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by claretlegend » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:10 pm

I have a mate who was a Burnley youth coach and he told me about this lad we had coming through the ranks. He was absolutely stunned when Jason Blake released him. No one ever spoke highly of Jason Blake. Sounded like an absolute fool.
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Inchy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:25 pm

Cleared out a lot of the dead wood did Blakey

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:26 pm

I can remember plenty of people were up in arms when we released him. Is he playing in the first team at Barnsley?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by claretfern » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:56 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:26 pm
I can remember plenty of people were up in arms when we released him. Is he playing in the first team at Barnsley?
13 appearances & 2 goals this season ..

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:57 pm

Can't see what the fuss is about, personally.
21 in March, 5'6" tall so hardly the physical requirements for the PL, and plies his trade in Lg 1.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by MRG » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:00 pm

I would suggest that with him still only getting a game at a poor Barnsley 5 seasons after Blake released him, it could be that Blake had more of an idea than the volunteer scouts and hobby youth coaches
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by jedi_master » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:13 pm

You say that but Barnsley did pay £500k for him from Bury, and he is undoubtedly going to go for more from Barnsley if he's playing regularly in the Championship at 20.

Sometimes the youth setup isn't just about getting players into our first team, it's about it being a sound investment. That's half a million quid and whatever next that could have come our way etc.
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by bobinho » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:14 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Can't see what the fuss is about, personally.
21 in March, 5'6" tall so hardly the physical requirements for the PL, and plies his trade in Lg 1.
Lionel Messi 5’6.5” tall. I suppose it’s that half inch that would make the difference...
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:15 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:13 pm
You say that but Barnsley did pay £500k for him from Bury, and he is undoubtedly going to go for more from Barnsley if he's playing regularly in the Championship at 20.

Sometimes the youth setup isn't just about getting players into our first team, it's about it being a sound investment. That's half a million quid and whatever next that could have come our way etc.

Clearly though for some if you are 21 and not playing either in the Prem or the top sides in the championship then you aren't very good

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:29 pm

bobinho wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:14 pm
Lionel Messi 5’6.5” tall. I suppose it’s that half inch that would make the difference...
I don't recall Messi ever having to play for Bury or Barnsley. ;)

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:31 pm

Inchy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:25 pm
Cleared out a lot of the dead wood did Blakey
Do you really have to continue posting this absolute garbage?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:34 pm

claretlegend wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:10 pm
I have a mate who was a Burnley youth coach and he told me about this lad we had coming through the ranks. He was absolutely stunned when Jason Blake released him. No one ever spoke highly of Jason Blake. Sounded like an absolute fool.
A fool and a very unpleasant fool who bullied staff and young players.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:53 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:13 pm
You say that but Barnsley did pay £500k for him from Bury, and he is undoubtedly going to go for more from Barnsley if he's playing regularly in the Championship at 20.

Sometimes the youth setup isn't just about getting players into our first team, it's about it being a sound investment. That's half a million quid and whatever next that could have come our way etc.
In some respects I agree, but you cannot be sure that any club would have paid 500k for him at the time we decided to release him.
So all credit to Bury, really.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Can't see what the fuss is about, personally.
21 in March, 5'6" tall so hardly the physical requirements for the PL, and plies his trade in Lg 1.
Last time i checked Barnsley were in the championship, not league 1.

I don't know the stats, but are there a lot of 20 year olds playing week in week out in the Championship?

Imagine if he was like one of those small, really quick players..... rather than a tall giant...... imagine he could be 5'6 and really quick.... like a lot of those small quick players around who have successful careers in the prem.

Imagine.
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:08 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:04 pm
Last time i checked Barnsley were in the premiership.

I don't know the stats, but are there a lot of 20 year olds playing week in week out in the Championship?

Imagine if he was like one of those small, really quick players..... rather than a tall giant...... imagine he could be 5'6 and really quick.... like a lot of those small quick players around who have successful careers in the prem.

Imagine.
No, Championship.
Like I said, all credit to Bury. But nothing suggests that he is the new Messi.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by DesmondHaynes » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:12 pm

My son played futsal with Callum so we got to know him and his family a bit. He was an outstanding player and a really nice lad.
I think it is fair to say the youth set up when Callum left Burnley was a complete shambles and he along with quite a lot of other young players were handled badly.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:13 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:08 pm
No, Championship.
Like I said, all credit to Bury. But nothing suggests that he is the new Messi.
There's no new Messi, so bin off every youth player in the country. He was the best player in the U16 team at the time. He was the first footballer to play pro football born in the millenium. Imagine that, a player, released at 16, playing first team league football 8 weeks later. Do you not think that might indicate a player worthy of a youth team contract? Do you not think releasing him might have been a mistake?

He's now playing regularly in the championship, getting plaudits as a wingback, scored 2 goals in 13 games, top of the tackles list, top of the distance run league, and still only 20. Do you not think we might like to have a player in the U23's that we could loan out, at the age of 20, to the championshop to get experience? I've very little doubt he will move to a premier league club in the next 18 months. Then will you be saying he's not the new Messi, and he probably wasn't a £10m player when we released him? Fair play to Bury (to the coaches who had coached him at Burnley, and were pushed out by Blake 12 months earlier, who couldn't believe their luck that they were able to sign him before others were alerted) for turning him into that.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:17 pm

He's 20, playing regularly in the Championship and has already moved for £500k. And we don't think that's someone we should have kept on?

Not everyone has to be either Messi or garbage. I imagine the club would love to find a few £500k academy lads every year. Got to say Barnsley do a cracking job developing some young talent and getting them in the side.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:19 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:13 pm
There's no new Messi, so bin off every youth player in the country. He was the best player in the U16 team at the time. He was the first footballer to play pro football born in the millenium. Imagine that, a player, released at 16, playing first team league football 8 weeks later. Do you not think that might indicate a player worthy of a youth team contract? Do you not think releasing him might have been a mistake?

He's now playing regularly in the championship, getting plaudits as a wingback, scored 2 goals in 13 games, top of the tackles list, top of the distance run league, and still only 20. Do you not think we might like to have a player in the U23's that we could loan out, at the age of 20, to the championshop to get experience? I've very little doubt he will move to a premier league club in the next 18 months. Then will you be saying he's not the new Messi, and he probably wasn't a £10m player when we released him? Fair play to Bury (to the coaches who had coached him at Burnley, and were pushed out by Blake 12 months earlier, who couldn't believe their luck that they were able to sign him before others were alerted) for turning him into that.
Best of luck to him.
I know absolutely nothing about him.
It's great when these things work out.

However,
had he been released by one of the Burnley favourites and not the anti-christ, posters would be saying that releasing him was the right thing to do as it enabled him to kick-start his career (or similar).

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by DCWat » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:26 pm

I don’t think that’s the case. You’ve heard from enough people on here and with enough reasoning to see that his release was a mistake that shouldn’t have happened.

Part of a successful academy is being able to sell players on, so even if he wouldn’t have made our first team, he could have brought some money into the academy.

I remember the posts at the time saying that his release was a big mistake. I don’t think it would have mattered if it had been Dyche that got rid of him, people would have called it out as a bad move.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:26 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:19 pm
Best of luck to him.
I know absolutely nothing about him.
It's great when these things work out.

However,
had he been released by one of the Burnley favourites and not the anti-christ, posters would be saying that releasing him was the right thing to do as it enabled him to kick-start his career (or similar).
If he hadn't been the best player in the team, released at 16, you may have had a point. I can't think of any other situation, where the best player at U16 has been released. Maybe it's the fact that Blake was making bad decisions like this that caused him to be disliked. See the lad scoring goals at Blackburn - Tyrhys Dolan - he was sold by Blake as well, for a pittance. The development centres in Manchester that got the likes of Lewis Richardson involved - they were also closed by Blake, because he wanted Burnley kids to play for Burnley.... how many pro footballers from Burnley in the last 20 years? Jay? Oliver Norwood? Goalkeeper who was at Liverpool? Is that about it? How many pro footballers from the manchester area in the last 20 years? Callum Styles was one of them anyway.

So there's a cause and effect here. You can read further up that many different coaches and staff were surprised when Callum was released. I know for a 100% fact that Bury couldn't believe they got him. He was only there 10 days or so before he was training with the first team. Just think, from Under 16's (Not the youth team, Under 16's) to first team in a couple of weeks, reserve football a couple of weeks later, and a proferssional league debut 4 weeks after that. And you don't think that's an obvious mistake? Fair enough if not, I can do no more to present the case.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:30 pm

Who released Mark Pugh?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by bodge » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:31 pm

As Haynes says above Blake handled players badly, I would add that he treated coaches badly as well by the looks.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:34 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:30 pm
Who released Mark Pugh?
I think it was his current manager, at the age of 19, having served his 3 year youth team apprenticeship, during which time he made zero starts for the club. I am unsure of your point.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:35 pm

DesmondHaynes wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:12 pm
My son played futsal with Callum so we got to know him and his family a bit. He was an outstanding player and a really nice lad.
I think it is fair to say the youth set up when Callum left Burnley was a complete shambles and he along with quite a lot of other young players were handled badly.
People that know about it will tell you that the youth set up had become a complete shambles and that players were handled badly some very badly I can assure you. Others, who really don't know what went on, seem to continue trying to defend the mess that was the Jason Blake years. It wasn't just players he treated badly, I can assure you of that, he treated some staff very badly, some of whom left because of him and some who managed to survive him.

As for Callum Styles, I never saw him play while he was at Burnley but I was told by enough people whose opinions I value and respect what a big mistake it was. I wonder how much it would have cost us to keep him as a scholar for two years from age 16-18. You would have thought the player considered the best in the u16s might have been worth that.

And Desmond, for what it's worth, you were a damn good opening batsman.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:37 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:34 pm
I think it was his current manager, at the age of 19, having served his 3 year youth team apprenticeship, during which time he made zero starts for the club. I am unsure of your point.
Well, plenty of folk thought he was good enough to be kept on.
My point is: it happens.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Inchy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:39 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:30 pm
Who released Mark Pugh?


The coaches Blake binned off

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:37 pm
Well, plenty of folk thought he was good enough to be kept on.
My point is: it happens.
Who are these plenty of folk?

Do you think that the release of Callum Styles was a mistake? A simple yes or no will do.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:45 pm

Inchy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:39 pm
The coaches Blake binned off
Should you not be protesting about your pay or something :o :o :o

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Inchy » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:48 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:45 pm
Should you not be protesting about your pay or something :o :o :o

No did you not see the news? Still got mine and I’m not bothered about the rest of the public sector

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:49 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:30 pm
Who released Mark Pugh?
Cotterill and that was in 2016. He then spent the next six years playing at a lower level to us, and in his entire career had just one season above us. Not sure why you mentioned him to be honest, he'd gone past the youth team. He went to League Two Bury from us, then Shrewsbury and Hereford before Bournemouth. Really pleased he did so well at Bournemouth, he's a good lad, but at the time the decision to release him was very much a correct one.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by inbetweendays » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:54 pm

It’s been the best thing that could have happened to him being released at 16 because there’s now way he’d be where he is now if he’d stayed with Burnley

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:54 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:42 pm
Who are these plenty of folk?

Do you think that the release of Callum Styles was a mistake? A simple yes or no will do.
I can't say because I don't know. hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Can you say for sure that he would have made it with us, even now given his lower league appearances?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:54 pm
I can't say because I don't know. hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Can you say for sure that he would have made it with us, even now given his lower league appearances?
Who knows whether he would have made it with us but it would have cost us peanuts to keep him for two years to assess him. From what I was told by coaches, the least we could have then expected was for him to move on to another club and get a career.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:00 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:54 pm
I can't say because I don't know. hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Can you say for sure that he would have made it with us, even now given his lower league appearances?
I'd be very confident now, as I was then (and many on here can vouch for that opinion) that Callum was likely to make it as a professional footballer. In the way that Man City didn't know if Kieran Trippier was going to be good enough at 16 for them, or just be good enough to sell, Callum was worth the roughly £10k investment in a youth team contract to further assess his ability.

Releasing a player at 16 who plays first team league football (at any level) 8 weeks later is as clear a mistake in assessing a players ability as you will see.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:56 pm
Who knows whether he would have made it with us but it would have cost us peanuts to keep him for two years to assess him. From what I was told by coaches, the least we could have then expected was for him to move on to another club and get a career.
Yes, I can totally see that.

The reason i mentioned Marc Pugh was that I remember him being one of our better youth players at that time, and that dropping down didn't do his long-term career any harm at all.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:09 pm

Why did Blake do what he did ?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Untinted Glasses » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:17 pm

ive just googled him, he looks so much like robbie blake. Is he related ?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Red Fox Rocks Socks » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:19 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:09 pm
Why did Blake do what he did ?
And what sort of things did he do? What bullying tactics etc?

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:28 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:09 pm
Why did Blake do what he did ?
And who let him?
It's hard to believe that a coach would be making these decisions on his own.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Claret Till I Die » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:31 pm

Did he play football before or after he was in One Direction ?
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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
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And Desmond, for what it's worth, you were a damn good opening batsman.
When I first moved to London, I was talking to one of the people I recruited, Friday drinks after work one week. The talk got on to the subject of cricket and I mentioned that I used to play amateur cricket in Burnley. If you played cricket, then you may know my brother in law she said. I haven't played since I moved to London so I don't think I will. I think you will know him she went on. Have you heard of Desmond Haynes? As in West Indies opening batsman was my reply. That's the one, he's married to my sister.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. More so when she stayed at ours one Friday after a few too many and on Saturday the phone rang. I answered and was met with a Caribbean lilt introducing himself as Desmond Haynes and his sister in law mentioned I was a cricket fan so may like to hear from him. Pasty knew quite a few of the Windies players and I can remember her in tears when I asked if she heard Malcolm Marshall had died.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by bodge » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:19 pm

He's just scored again, so make that 3 for the season.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:19 pm

Opens scoring for Barnsley tonight. Good drive from edge of box.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:32 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:15 pm
Clearly though for some if you are 21 and not playing either in the Prem or the top sides in the championship then you aren't very good
Where was Vardy at 21....

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:45 pm

The 5 ft 8 Kieran Trippier, at a similar age to Callum Styles had made 10 appearances for......... Barnsley in the championship. No other appearances at that point.

His career did alright from that point on I'd say.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:33 pm

Jason Blake was/is a bellend.

It’s almost like he was always jealous of any youngster that was better at football than he ever was.

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Re: Callum Styles

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:01 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:32 pm
Where was Vardy at 21....
Ian Wright was playing Sunday league at 21.
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