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Post by warksclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:27 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:16 pm
Is Gibson a proven PL CB ?
Not any more-his image will have been tarnished.Nearly two years in the wilderness-not being able to get on with his team. How many PL offers did we get when he was training on his own

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:40 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:24 pm
I love the reactions on here when we have an offer rejected for someone. An offer is an offer, nothing else, it is either rejected or it is accepted. I don't see why people get so uptight about it.
Tbh, I’m just glad we’ve bid for someone!!

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:41 pm

I don’t know how people are comparing Jimmy Dunne to Collins in terms of transfer fee.

At 19 Dunne was playing national league football. Plus Dunne only has 6 months on his contract.

Collins has played his full career at championship level and has five years left on his contract.
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Post by aggi » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:44 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:29 am
All good points, re: (2), I'll be shocked if Tarks goes in summer. It requires: (a) someone willing to pay what would be an attractive price to us after the Brentford sell-on and comparative to the PL income we retain by staying up - by summer, after 18m of no matchday income, I can't imagine may clubs will be able to do that, I think Jan is shaping up how next summer will too; and (b) Tarks himself to want to go and give up the once in a lifetime signing-on fee that he'd otherwise get.

I'd say he is 90% sure to leave in summer 2022, with the 10% only being whether ALK would be willing to pay him the signing on fee he would get elsewhere. That might set an ugly precedent and destabilise things (although I might be willing to risk that given his overall importance).

But this all makes the Collins deal seem more sensible. He can also play RB, so option there to blood him next to Tarks for a season, learn from him in training, etc. We're also due £8m from Gibson so if we got Collins for anywhere near that amount, as a direct swap 10 years younger, that's not bad business.
That's assuming that the only reason he wants to leave is the money. His interviews (and obviously some may take them with a pinch of salt) certainly suggest it is more down to advancing his career and, to do that, he won't want to be spending another year of his prime at Burnley. In particular, going in 2022 means it's a couple of years until the next international tournament. Going this summer gives him a good chance of getting into the world cup squad.

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Post by Bigvince » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:50 pm

Four and a half million seems a low offer ( not knowing the details ) but I would prefer that to us offering ten million straight of the bat, and stoke turning round and saying we want fifteen!

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Post by DomBFC1882 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:53 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:24 pm
I love the reactions on here when we have an offer rejected for someone. An offer is an offer, nothing else, it is either rejected or it is accepted. I don't see why people get so uptight about it.
Because it usually means we end up with no one. This has happened for several years now its not new and fans have a right to be annoyed based on previous experiences. Hopefully im wrong though

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Post by Reecey1987 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:58 pm

@SportsPeteO: “From what I’m hearing this one has a real chance.”

Reports linking Josh King to Burnley are starting to gather serious momentum.

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Post by Steddyman » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:10 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:58 pm
@SportsPeteO: “From what I’m hearing this one has a real chance.”

Reports linking Josh King to Burnley are starting to gather serious momentum.
Expect a bid for him of 50p any moment.
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Post by mkmel » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:13 pm

Maybe an increased offer plus Dunne for Collins would be a deal clincher?

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:13 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:58 pm
@SportsPeteO: “From what I’m hearing this one has a real chance.”

Reports linking Josh King to Burnley are starting to gather serious momentum.
Just listened to that. Sounded like throwaway speculation rather than anything of substance. Might be wrong though.
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Post by Grumps » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:17 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:58 pm
@SportsPeteO: “From what I’m hearing this one has a real chance.”

Reports linking Josh King to Burnley are starting to gather serious momentum.
I've never seen that guy say anything that hasn't already been said somewhere else, maybe he has his own source on this.......... Or not.
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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:23 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:44 pm
That's assuming that the only reason he wants to leave is the money. His interviews (and obviously some may take them with a pinch of salt) certainly suggest it is more down to advancing his career and, to do that, he won't want to be spending another year of his prime at Burnley. In particular, going in 2022 means it's a couple of years until the next international tournament. Going this summer gives him a good chance of getting into the world cup squad.
Unfortunately, if he wants international or European football he's going to have to leave sooner rather than in a year's time

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:23 pm
As someone has pointed out further up Spurs paid about 12 million for Rodon from Swansea. Which would suggest thats a lot closer to the going rate for a promising young centre back from the Championship.
No, it suggests that that is what Spurs are willing to risk. They can afford to, apparently, even though they get cheap loans from BoE to cover it.
If it turns out Rodon doesn't get the game time, or they can't get the money back for him, it will have been a waste of 12mill.
If you continue to look at transfers through the eyes of the rest of the league, you will continue to be disappointed.

Using your illogical argument, Burnley should pay over the top valuations, just because other teams are prepared to. It might make sense to you, but it doesn't to me.
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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:26 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:44 pm
That's assuming that the only reason he wants to leave is the money. His interviews (and obviously some may take them with a pinch of salt) certainly suggest it is more down to advancing his career and, to do that, he won't want to be spending another year of his prime at Burnley. In particular, going in 2022 means it's a couple of years until the next international tournament. Going this summer gives him a good chance of getting into the world cup squad.
That’s a very good point about the WC. And yes, it does assume that money is a key motivator. I suppose if I were in his shoes, I’d question whether a possible place in the WC squad (unlikely starting XI), is worth forgoing £Xm he’d make as a free agent.

Whether he makes the Euros squad may also play a role. I personally think it’s reaching the point where Southgate cannot ignore his form.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:27 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:26 pm
If it turns out Rodon doesn't get the game time, or they can't get the money back for him, it will have been a waste of 12mill.
Had forgotten about him. Has he played for Spurs?

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:29 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:58 pm
@SportsPeteO: “From what I’m hearing this one has a real chance.”

Reports linking Josh King to Burnley are starting to gather serious momentum.
Here’s a question, if you we were getting a new striker, would you prefer Armstrong or King?

Armstrong for me.
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Post by KRBFC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:31 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:51 am
An estate agent is independent of the owner when setting the value.

What is the player worth if Stoke value him at 10m, we value him at say 6m, and another values him at 12m ?
Not 4.5

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Post by Juan Tanamera » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:33 pm

I can't seem to find anything that states categorically that Stokes valuation of Collins is £10m.
Unless you're assuming that Nixon is bang on the money(yeah right) and you're using his assessment as a stick to beat the club with.

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Post by Reecey1987 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:34 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:29 pm
Here’s a question, if you we were getting a new striker, would you prefer Armstrong or King?

Armstrong for me.
I think Armstrong is a good player for last couple of seasons he's been playing in the wrong position now he's playing as a striker he's showing his talent. I'd like us to sign him but I dont think we will have a chance . If anywhere he may even end up back at Newcastle not in this window
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Post by cockneyclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:49 pm

Armstrong would cost too much.
Can't see b#stards accepting 3 or 4 mill and some tips on how to keep a pitch dry

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Post by KRBFC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:52 pm

King and Collins would be an excellent window, 2 players who should slide straight into our first team lineup. I actually think Collins would suit Dyche, im surprised Dyche hasn't gone the Pulis route of central defenders turned fullbacks. Everytime Iv seen Collins play has been at right back.

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Post by BenWickes » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:04 pm

I can see the reasoning behind King as opposed to someone such as Armstrong. King has and can play wide as well as up front. Filling in the necessary gaps now. I can see the logic in King and McNeil in a 4-4-2 or variations on a 4-5-1.
Can't comment on the Stoke player but if other PL clubs are monitoring him he has to be an upgrade on Worrall.
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Post by Bfc » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:09 pm

Why do transfers have to take so long. If Dyche has a budget set by the Chairman, the manager will have set out the positions he wants signings for and his transfer fee limit.
Someone would then telephone their Club. Ask if they will sell their player, then try and agree the transfer fee. If a price cannot be reached within a couple of days, then close negotiations and move for another target. Only if they're not far from a deal, should we/they continue talking. If the sale is agreed, contact the player and his agent and try and agree wages, then conclude the transfer. We might then have a current player we could sell, to cover part of the transfer fee.
Talks appear to drag on, as though, we/they have spent 10 minutes discussing a fee, which we can't agree on, until it's been put to someone else to consider. But that will be the day after. Then another day it gets discussed and passed above again to consider.
On paper, or by video link, negotiations for buying a player could and should hopefully be concluded in a couple of days, before registering the transfer.
As it's getting closer to deadline day the Club has a lot less time to conclude another option.

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Post by Firthy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:12 pm

Nothing wrong with being cautious and starting with a low bid. I'd rather that than pay £23.5m for a player like Rhian Brewster, he's not made much of a difference to Sheff Utd.
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Post by claretgimmer » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:12 pm

I wonder if Tarks stays till summer and magically gets the recognition his performances deserve and gets an England call up before the end of the season would he possibly consider staying then ?

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Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:26 pm
No, it suggests that that is what Spurs are willing to risk. They can afford to, apparently, even though they get cheap loans from BoE to cover it.
If it turns out Rodon doesn't get the game time, or they can't get the money back for him, it will have been a waste of 12mill.
If you continue to look at transfers through the eyes of the rest of the league, you will continue to be disappointed.

Using your illogical argument, Burnley should pay over the top valuations, just because other teams are prepared to. It might make sense to you, but it doesn't to me.
If we want to sign young British players we have to accept you'll pay a premium. Your argument seems to be lets keep burying our head in the sand and putting in low bids that have no chance of being accepted.
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm

Why this antipathy towards Jimmy Dunne
Get him signing a new contract loan him to PNE then see where he gets to.
I think hes got potential and weve given too many potential younger players away in the past and as I stated before I wouldn't touch King

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:26 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm
Why this antipathy towards Jimmy Dunne
Get him signing a new contract loan him to PNE then see where he gets to.
I think hes got potential and weve given too many potential younger players away in the past and as I stated before I wouldn't touch King
How many have we given away that have surpassed our level?

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:26 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm
Why this antipathy towards Jimmy Dunne
Get him signing a new contract loan him to PNE then see where he gets to.
I think hes got potential and weve given too many potential younger players away in the past and as I stated before I wouldn't touch King
How many of those we have given away do we wish we'd have kept?

Genuine question by the way as I don't follow the youth teams as keenly as others on here.

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Post by Mala591 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:27 pm

If Dunne is loaned out to the end of the season can we (automatically) recall him if Tarks and/or Mee are injured?

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:34 pm

Assuming Collins might be a RB replacement in the short term, if Kenny is valued at £7m by Everton, I don’t think £4.5m is that far wide of the mark?

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:37 pm

We have two right backs at present we need a cm playmaker in the Defour mould someone who can pick a pass and provide service to our strikers

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:39 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm
If we want to sign young British players we have to accept you'll pay a premium. Your argument seems to be lets keep burying our head in the sand and putting in low bids that have no chance of being accepted.

If Kenny with 35 Premier League appearances and 31 Bundesliga appearances is valued at 7m, what is the going rate for someone with 39 Championship appearances ?

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:40 pm

Players are out there. I suggested Traore when he was available at Boro. Ended up going for 15m. Worth more than that now.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:41 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:39 pm
If Kenny with 35 Premier League appearances and 31 Bundesliga appearances is valued at 7m, what is the going rate for someone with 39 Championship appearances ?
Everton are happy to get rid, Stoke arn't.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:42 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:41 pm
Everton are happy to get rid, Stoke arn't.

That doesn't improve his ability

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:45 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:42 pm
That doesn't improve his ability
No it doesn't, but it does make the price paid more negotiable.

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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:47 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:42 pm
That doesn't improve his ability
It affects the price that the club wants

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:50 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:45 pm
No it doesn't, but it does make the price paid more negotiable.

Negotiable yes, not just pay what some journo has said they want.

Leeds didn't want to sell Charlie Taylor, once player says he wants the move things become easier and cheaper.

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Post by Tall Paul » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:53 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:27 pm
If Dunne is loaned out to the end of the season can we (automatically) recall him if Tarks and/or Mee are injured?
No.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:53 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:50 pm
Negotiable yes, not just pay what some journo has said they want.

Leeds didn't want to sell Charlie Taylor, once player says he wants the move things become easier and cheaper.
Nobody has suggested pay what some journo said they want. What I am saying is if we want a player that the club ideally wan't to keep hold of, the asking price usually goes up because the club will want to make it worth their while negotiating, not to mention the flack they may receive from their fan base by flogging a player on the cheap. You pay the premium to get that player. With Kenny, Everton wan't to get rid, he isn't playing anyway so it will be a case of getting what they can. The ball is in the selling clubs court with regards to being reasonable on transfer fees.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:54 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:39 pm
If Kenny with 35 Premier League appearances and 31 Bundesliga appearances is valued at 7m, what is the going rate for someone with 39 Championship appearances ?
It’s all about demand. No one wants Kenny. If you believe the papers Arsenal are tracking Collins also.

Plus Kenny has played about 70 professional games and is approaching 24. Collins is 19 has played 40 professional games and has captained his team.

You can see why Collins value would be higher.

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Post by Mala591 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:55 pm

A young, right sided, pacey, attacking midfielder should (still) be our priority in this particular window

There must be someone in the Championship/Div 1 showing great potential

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:01 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:54 pm
It’s all about demand. No one wants Kenny. If you believe the papers Arsenal are tracking Collins also.

Plus Kenny has played about 70 professional games and is approaching 24. Collins is 19 has played 40 professional games and has captained his team.

You can see why Collins value would be higher.
Age and potential have a lot to do with it. Forfana of Leicester is 20, played less than 40 games for St Etienne and will cost Leicester up to £36m. He went straight into the team and is now undroppable. Ask any neutral pundit who the stand out young defenders are in the PL and he will certainly be one of those names. If he avoids injury he will give Leicester value for money. By comparison Aka at Man City cost £40m-I know who I would rather have

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:02 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:54 pm
It’s all about demand. No one wants Kenny. If you believe the papers Arsenal are tracking Collins also.

Plus Kenny has played about 70 professional games and is approaching 24. Collins is 19 has played 40 professional games and has captained his team.

You can see why Collins value would be higher.

:D :D

24 in March is 23, in the same way 20 in April is 19.
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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:03 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:55 pm
A young, right sided, pacey, attacking midfielder should (still) be our priority in this particular window

There must be someone in the Championship/Div 1 showing great potential
Wallace at Millwall fits the bill

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:07 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:55 pm
A young, right sided, pacey, attacking midfielder should (still) be our priority in this particular window

There must be someone in the Championship/Div 1 showing great potential
That lad who a poster posted on here about the other week looked a real talent. The lad at Rochdale forget him name now, only 17 if i remember rightly and tore Charlton a new one other week.

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:12 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:07 pm
That lad who a poster posted on here about the other week looked a real talent. The lad at Rochdale forget him name now, only 17 if i remember rightly and tore Charlton a new one other week.
Kwadwo Baah. Looks a prospect.
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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:18 pm

mkmel wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:13 pm
Maybe an increased offer plus Dunne for Collins would be a deal clincher?
Keep Dunne, offer 8 million and Kevin long

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