Could Arsenal go down?

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by burnleybonzo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:27 am

They won't be relegated but I wouldn't want any of their players to be in the trenches with me.

A club with no redeeming features, Take a look at the salaries they are paying out to average players who appear to be disinterested. Lower league clubs will be going out of business owing what some of these fraudsters earn in a week.
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:28 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:47 pm
I thought he was bang on form tonight..scored a cracker!
He thought he might as well have a go at his end seeing as he got no service at the other
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Down_Rover » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:43 am

They might if they give Arteta too much time at the helm.

his fledgling management career to date is as assistant to a team that walks all over the opposition and has a second XI that could come close to winning the title.

It is a different job raising a dispirited team from the floor, new territory for him. If he hasn't started winning by new year they will need a new man at the helm

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Dyched » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:45 am

They’ve been a nonsense club for years. It’s absolutely rotten. It also doesn’t help when they don’t play there best player. All this talk of Arteta learning from Pep. Okay then, who’s the only other player in the league that can play like De Bryune? Ozil. But won’t play him because of his political views on the treatment of muslims in China. I hope he get’s every last penny he can before he leaves.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by IanMcL » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:45 am

Arsenal would not be allowed to ho down. VAR would go into overdrive!
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by nyclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:53 am

Dyched wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:45 am
They’ve been a nonsense club for years. It’s absolutely rotten. It also doesn’t help when they don’t play there best player. All this talk of Arteta learning from Pep. Okay then, who’s the only other player in the league that can play like De Bryune? Ozil. But won’t play him because of his political views on the treatment of muslims in China. I hope he get’s every last penny he can before he leaves.
To be fair, people are quick to forget that Ozil’s performances had been declining dramatically over the past couple of seasons. It was a surprise to see him handed a new deal. No one can afford to take him now. His performance in Baku was embarrassing.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Quicknick » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:16 pm

No.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:50 pm

They surely have enough talent to not be relegated, but have looked completely uninterested. Teams in the relegation zone fight tooth and nail to get out of it and Arsenal need to be weary.
I also don't think their yearly trips for Europa league games are doing them any service. Unnecessary travel/extra games mid-week certainly don't help the team improve.

Whatever Arteta is doing, its not working. They have massive wages and while they technically have money to spend, I doubt they would do a complete overhaul of their squad.
Got a feeling they will finish around 10 again but they more they linger down the bottom, they will find themselves with some 6 pointers near the end of the year.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:50 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:45 am
Arsenal would not be allowed to ho down. VAR would go into overdrive!
Can just picture the Arsenil lot "Doh Se Doh'ing" yeee haww

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:02 pm

They're in a bit of a mess. Probably not the wisest of moves giving such a big job to a guy with no managerial experience.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:04 pm

Arsenal would have done better hiring Dyche than someone with no experience. Fortunately for whatever reason he will unlikely get a top 6 job anytime soon.

As for Arsenal being relegated it is unlikely but certainly no harder to believe than Leicester winning the title....

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:10 pm

Arsenal to go down and Accy Stanley to go up = Accrington Stanley v Arsenal - great to hear/dream about !!
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Billy Balfour » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:14 pm

Arteta will be gone if they don't pick up at least 4 points from their next two games - Southampton (H) and Everton (A).

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:13 pm

The obsession with playing from the back, no matter what, has led to both calamity and slow movement. Other teams know it is ok and safe to close down, all over the pitch.
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:24 pm

The Ozil factor in play. Popular around the dressing room with other players but not with the management

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:48 pm

Alan Shearer thinks they couldhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55382530

I still doubt it myself, but the longer they stay marooned near the lower reaches, the harder their task will become.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:08 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:50 pm
They surely have enough talent to not be relegated, but have looked completely uninterested. Teams in the relegation zone fight tooth and nail to get out of it and Arsenal need to be weary.
I also don't think their yearly trips for Europa league games are doing them any service. Unnecessary travel/extra games mid-week certainly don't help the team improve.

Whatever Arteta is doing, its not working. They have massive wages and while they technically have money to spend, I doubt they would do a complete overhaul of their squad.
Got a feeling they will finish around 10 again but they more they linger down the bottom, they will find themselves with some 6 pointers near the end of the year.
The simplest solution woul dhave been ship all of the dead wood and play the kids. They wouldnt have won the league. But they would have had a fresh start, with their talent getting experience and cleared huge wage bills.

At a time with no fans they would come under less pressure and the fans would be more patient with a lower finish with the kids.

As it stands though theyre a shambles.

Dont actually believe its Artetas fault. That said Arsenal have got what theu deserved by hounding Wenger.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:14 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:08 pm
The simplest solution woul dhave been ship all of the dead wood and play the kids. They wouldnt have won the league. But they would have had a fresh start, with their talent getting experience and cleared huge wage bills.

At a time with no fans they would come under less pressure and the fans would be more patient with a lower finish with the kids.

As it stands though theyre a shambles.

Dont actually believe its Artetas fault. That said Arsenal have got what theu deserved by hounding Wenger.
It’s not necessarily Arteta’s fault, but the nature of football management is that you have a short amount of time to inherit a squad and get results. It’s not his fault that he’s inherited a rotten bunch, but he’s shown absolutely zero managerial or coaching qualities.

Compare for example with OGS and Lampard, different circumstances admittedly, and both Man U and Chelsea have their faults, but both are streets ahead of Arsenal.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:16 pm

No

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:14 pm
It’s not necessarily Arteta’s fault, but the nature of football management is that you have a short amount of time to inherit a squad and get results. It’s not his fault that he’s inherited a rotten bunch, but he’s shown absolutely zero managerial or coaching qualities.

Compare for example with OGS and Lampard, different circumstances admittedly, and both Man U and Chelsea have their faults, but both are streets ahead of Arsenal.
Its a fair point. And I think Lampard in particular has done a great job. Its funny because Lampard actually shows how you cant win. Perform like arteta and you get stick. Perform like Lampard and you get stick. 'Too easy'. 'Inherited a great team'. Blah Blah.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:23 pm

Eddie Howe to Arsenal anyone?

It was only a couple of years ago that amazingly he was being linked to clubs like this.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:30 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:23 pm
Eddie Howe to Arsenal anyone?

It was only a couple of years ago that amazingly he was being linked to clubs like this.
I think Arteta will stay but they could do far worse if Arteta does go.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by bfcmik » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:18 am

On paper Arsenal's squad stacks up well against 16 or 17 of the Premier League clubs. But games are not won on paper and Arsenal seem to be on an opposite trajectory to us. We are more than the sum of our parts whereas they are much less. A complete lack of team spirit or identity will keep them sucked down close to the mire. Unfortunately, I believe they will have enough days where a couple of bits of great individual play will win them points to keep themselves clear.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:13 am

Chelsea next, then in to a run of winnable games - Brighton, WBA, Palace, Newcastle. Will depend where they are after those fixtures but I’d say they have far too much to go down and will likely finish mid-table.
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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:03 pm

Could they get relegated?
Within reason no they won't, Arteta will get fired before it gets that desperate.

The players need to start behaving like grown ups, but as we all know they're immune from being fired for poor performances, so they'll ponce about sulking until they get what they want.

What they need is a strong manager to go in there and wipe the floor with the lot of them and let them know who's in charge.

Arteta appears to have the right ideas, it's the players who won't buy into his ideas.

Ozil hasn't been the player Arsenal need him to be, yet the players are ignoring this.
The club will be far better off when he's left.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Duffer_ » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:09 pm

Arteta currently on SSN hiding behind stats - internally generated stats (within Arsenal) at that. He has quoted a 3% chance of losing against Burnley, presumably based on a combination of possession, shots, chances etc. However, I am pretty sure that a team conceding a goal without scoring one will lose 100% of matches.

I don't dislike Arteta and I know he has to galvanise them but they are a poor poor side and he needs to face into the real issues.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:26 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:13 am
Chelsea next, then in to a run of winnable games - Brighton, WBA, Palace, Newcastle. Will depend where they are after those fixtures but I’d say they have far too much to go down and will likely finish mid-table.
I don't think they'll go down, however I'm not convinced Arsenal can consider any run of fixtures winnable in their current form.

To put that into context, they could arguably have considered, Villa, Leeds, Wolves, Spurs, Burnley, Southampton & Everton as a reasonable run of fixtures, from those 7 games they amassed the grand total of 2 points, and scored 3 goals, I do expect them to improve, but if they're still around the bottom 5/6 after the Newcastle game alarm bells will be ringing.

I'd love them to go down, one of the supposed big 6 falling down to the Championship would be comedy gold, especially in light of the rumoured ESL breakaway, sadly I can't see it happening. But the whole club is in a mess, and whether or not Arteta stays or goes, they've got bigger problems to sort,

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:28 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:16 pm
No
This.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:28 pm

No,unfortunately, they will sack Arteta and bring in a new coach and throw money at recruitment to stay up
That said anyone who paid £72m for a dud like Pepe wants their head examing but Arsenal have massive funds that they can spend

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by Spijed » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:31 pm

Despite their position many top managers would love to manage them as they have some very good players.

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Re: Could Arsenal go down?

Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:37 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:28 pm
No,unfortunately, they will sack Arteta and bring in a new coach and throw money at recruitment to stay up
That said anyone who paid £72m for a dud like Pepe wants their head examing but Arsenal have massive funds that they can spend
It's fine having the funds, but if you don't spend wisely you'll always struggle, money alone doesn't guarantee success, however I tend to agree if they're still around the bottom 3 come Jan/Feb time then Arteta will be punted, and they'll bring in someone even on a temporary basis, with their massive wage bill Arsenal can't afford to be relegated, but even if they recover to finish mid-table they've got major issues, which won't be solved overnight, and I can't see them challenging for the top 4 for at least a season or two.

The bigger problem for them could be attracting the usual types of players they'd be looking to recruit, why on earth would any half decent player consider going to Arsenal in their present state, and this is what could cause them long-term problems, the silver lining for them is their kids look capable of stepping up to the mark if needed.

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