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McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm

Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:20 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
We've just won at Arsenal and is that the best you can come up with?
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:23 pm

So what if he was booked anyway?! It’s hardly going to affect his game or result in a suspension. Good on him for showing some fight.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:23 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
What for? Just out of interest. What exactly did McNeil do wrong?
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by RVclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:25 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
Hahahaha

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Targetman » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:25 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
You are always going to get a reaction when someone scythes you down like that. Especially from a young lad.

As Tony just said, why try to find a negative after a great win away at Arsenal?

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:26 pm

It was an awful challenge, he had every right to react.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:27 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
Do you moonlight as Devils Avocado?

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by kritichris » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:28 pm

I thought it was a fair comment even if it did lead to the sending off it could have gone pearshaped. It was a good defensive performance but luck was on our side for a change. Just 3 points now to pass the Derby benchmark.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:28 pm

Is this where you spin it round and say you were fishing?
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Cheshireclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:29 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
The final whistle blew around 2 hours ago - you've had plenty of time to come up with some complete and utter nonsense, and that is a terrible effort. Must try harder.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:29 pm

Was a bad foul tbh and perfect way to react to a loose cannon like that. It was a nicely controlled reactive wind up that started the ball rolling towards a win. Well done Dwight.

It’s not exactly like the assault the Greek bloke did on Barnes the other year at the Emirates which went unpunished.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:30 pm

I thought Westy's comments after the game were excellent, regarding Dwights reacting to the challenge... they went to protect him because he is a young lad... and Xakha put his hands around his (Westy's) neck and gained himself a red...

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 pm

Can you imagine if Dwight had been sent off? Another red card would really highlight our discipline problems - guess that would of been 3 in about 8 years.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by bfcmik » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 pm

I just knew one of the "Well we did this" apologists would be out tonight. Every time an opposition player or a supporter from another club does something they are criticized for their is always at least poster saying we shouldn't be critical because one of our players or one/some/all our supporters had done something similar or worse once upon a time. Totally cannot understand why they would want to do that. I don't actually give a **** if one of our guys had stomped on his toes, knocked off his mrs or called him a bad name 10 times in the previous 2 minutes - if our players can react without grabbing someone's throat, as in this incident, then so should all players.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by bfcmik » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 pm
Can you imagine if Dwight had been sent off? Another red card would really highlight our discipline problems - guess that would of been 3 in about 8 years.
Is that straight reds? The full total including the double yellows wouldn't be much higher either.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Xakha is a thug and gets away with too much. Not surprised Dwight reacted the way he did. He will learn, Xakha never will.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:37 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 pm
Can you imagine if Dwight had been sent off? Another red card would really highlight our discipline problems - guess that would of been 3 in about 8 years.
And the Duff one at West Ham was pants.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:40 pm

He showed passion and agression after being wiped out in a dangerous tackle as we broke. Good on him. And he knew what he was doing too. He knew Xhaka was a liability discipline wise.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:42 pm

The Duff one was Moss’s finest example of total ineptitude...prior to his partial Old Trafford redemption. Probably one of the most ridiculous red cards ever. One would assume that VAR would have sorted the West Ham one these days....but you never can tell

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:42 pm

funnily, I thought it was a sign of his maturing knowledge of the game that he knew to react to Xhaka
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:42 pm

Didn't Xhaka try taking on Defour and ended up getting sent off?

Seems like he's an idiot who doesn't learn.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by martin_p » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:43 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 pm
Can you imagine if Dwight had been sent off? Another red card would really highlight our discipline problems - guess that would of been 3 in about 8 years.
Why would he be sent off for standing up and expressing his displeasure at being scythed down?

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by tim_noone » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:43 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:40 pm
He showed passion and agression after being wiped out in a dangerous tackle as we broke. Good on him. And he knew what he was doing too. He knew Xhaka was a liability discipline wise.
Aggressive behaviour has no place in the modern game. I'm very disappointed with dwight.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by TVC15 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:46 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
It’s late in the year but congratulations on making the nominations for “Pointless Threads of the Year 2020”

Good luck - you’ve got some tough competition this year
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Father Jack » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:48 pm

Really pleased to see Dwight sticking up for himself.
Shows added maturity for me, not afraid to highlight to refs how he aggrieved he is to a bad foul.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:54 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:43 pm
Why would he be sent off for standing up and expressing his displeasure at being scythed down?
He was never going to be sent off, read the opening post and my reply.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:56 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:42 pm
The Duff one was Moss’s finest example of total ineptitude...prior to his partial Old Trafford redemption. Probably one of the most ridiculous red cards ever. One would assume that VAR would have sorted the West Ham one these days....but you never can tell
So with VAR we have had about 1 red card in 5 years?!

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by The Enclosure » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:02 am

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:43 pm
Aggressive behaviour has no place in the modern game. I'm very disappointed with dwight.
Now that Tim is a very poor effort.Have you tried using one of those new Rapala lures? :D
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:29 am

I hope he hasn’t taught the Arsenal players some nasty tactic.

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Post by Local cricketer » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:33 am

Spijed is a happy clapper. This looks like a fishing expedition

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Rodleydave » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:47 am

Best game of season for Dwight. His nose clearly pointing in the right direction.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by bfcjg » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:53 am

There was tantalising spells of just how good Dwight is last night , some question his passion and desire that incident shows he has it by the bucket full.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:00 am

If Dwight hadn't escalated the incident and walked away, we'd have got a free kick and a weak ref would have been allowed to merely wave away any of our lads' protests.
By making it a bigger issue, the Arsenal lad is suckered into losing his rag, the ref has to get involved and the lad gets sent off.
I welcome this new reaction, I'm sick of seeing us get nothing because of our honesty.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by BenWickes » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:14 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:00 am
If Dwight hadn't escalated the incident and walked away, we'd have got a free kick and a weak ref would have been allowed to merely wave away any of our lads' protests.
By making it a bigger issue, the Arsenal lad is suckered into losing his rag, the ref has to get involved and the lad gets sent off.
I welcome this new reaction, I'm sick of seeing us get nothing because of our honesty.
It's a valid point. I keep harking back to out first season back in the PL when we were too naive and nice. Over the seasons we have become more used to the dark arts employed by opposition teams. Arsenal have it down to a fine art.
We have started being tougher and started introducing it to our game but staying, largely; on the right side of gamesmanship. Just!
On a side note. Was refreshing to see Walcott stay on his feet in the early stages of their game yesterday. Most PL strikers would have gone down under that initial challenge.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Pearcey » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:04 am

Xhaka has a reputation for this sort of behaviour. It’s absolutely right to try to wind him up. It certainly did the job.
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:27 am

I honestly don't get some of the utter guff posted by some t0sspots on here. We've just won at Arsenal for the 1st in neatly 50 years and some thicko planks still feel the need to snipe

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by theboydonegood » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:02 am

you should definitely Square up to the Xhaka and the like at every opportunity especially if you are totally in control when you do it-- TBDG

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Top Claret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:07 am

This is the reason why I love VAR, it evens things out for the smaller clubs against the big boys who the refs always favour

Pre VAR we more than likely would have not got that decision
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:20 am

We did to Xhaka, exactly what other clubs did to Barton, when he was with us.

The difference was that, we were successful in pushing the right buttons, whereas Joey never reacted (or got caught ;) )

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:26 am

Oh dear Spijed.not your best post . we've all done it before those,so merry Christmas lad.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:35 am

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:07 am
This is the reason why I love VAR, it evens things out for the smaller clubs against the big boys who the refs always favour

Pre VAR we more than likely would have not got that decision
We definitely wouldn’t have got the decision, as was proven by Scott showing Xhaka a yellow card despite having a front row seat to the incident.

I don’t like VAR and I think it’s making the officials lazier, knowing that they can fall back on it. But at least a decision went in our favour because of it in this instance.

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by gtclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:36 am

I m sure Westy would have said something to wind up the Arsenal player, and Tarky provoked that Arsenal defender, and Brady refused to return a ball provoking a reaction from the Arsenal players. Do you see a trend, the Arsenal players have a discipline problem and the Burnley players were taking advantage of that
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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by warksclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:42 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:19 pm
Even though it worked out well with the sending off he could have been booked on another day by a different ref.
The one thing I will say about our team under SD they are wonderfully disciplined, yet still brave and tough. Look at the red cards dished out in the PL every week, and yet its been some time since we had a sending off

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:59 am

As far as Arsenal are concerned, Xhaka could soon be ex-haka.




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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:06 am

Was a full on professional foul on Dwight and they’d been fouling him all game , can’t blame him reacting .

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:26 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:20 am
We did to Xhaka, exactly what other clubs did to Barton, when he was with us.

The difference was that, we were successful in pushing the right buttons, whereas Joey never reacted (or got caught ;) )
Always remember Joey and his non reaction to Grant Hanley 🤭🤭🤭 when Hanley legged him up, and all Joey did was give him that look as though he was something Joey had just stepped in 🤣

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Re: McNeil shouldn't have reacted to the foul

Post by LeadBelly » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:53 am

The incident was entirely down to Xhaka. He lunged in at Dwight about 35 yards out from Burnley's goals (well short of even the centre circle) whilst there was no obvious immediate danger (not a case of "taking one for the team").

Dwight reacts to the stupidity of that by approaching Xhaka and remonstrating but without "going for him". Xhaka cant let it go, gets all aggressive, not deterred by Lacazete trying to calm him, he grabs Westy by the neck and pushes him. It's a bit of handbags for the players generally but Xhaka has to take it further because he has a big anger management problem.

Arsenal in general are having discipline problems currently. A couple of newspapers reporting that they've had 6 reds whilst Arteta has been in charge and the nearest amongst EPL sides is BHA with 3.

Good that Dwight is sticking up for himself whilst not losing control.

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