I think I'm normally a harsh scorer, but our scores were remarkably similar tonight. Individually, I thought there were some good individual performances, but overall, I thought that was a desperate team performance against an average PL team. On any other day we could have been beaten 3 or 4 nil. Luck played a huge part. I'm not sure what our game plan was for most of it other than hoof it, hope McNeill would dribble past everyone, and defend the box. We defended the box very well, but we gave them so much of the ball, I'm amazed they didn't convert at least one chance. Collectively, we were much less than the sum of our parts, and I think alot of people's scores reflect that.
Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 10
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9
Mee 9
Taylor 7
Brady 5
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
McNeil 8
Rodriguez 6
Wood 5
Subs
Barnes 6
Vydra 5
Changed my mark for Lowton due to the header of the line in the 1st half, fair to the mon.
Season in full swing now games coming thick and fast and we are picking up nicely.
I predict 8pts from the next 4
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9
Mee 9
Taylor 7
Brady 5
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
McNeil 8
Rodriguez 6
Wood 5
Subs
Barnes 6
Vydra 5
Changed my mark for Lowton due to the header of the line in the 1st half, fair to the mon.
Season in full swing now games coming thick and fast and we are picking up nicely.
I predict 8pts from the next 4
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 8
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
McNeil 6
Wood 5
J Rod 5
Barnes 6
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
McNeil 6
Wood 5
J Rod 5
Barnes 6
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Pope 8
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8
Mee 6
Taylor 7
Brady 7
Westwood 7
Brownhill 6
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 6
Wood 6
Barnes 6
Good job Villa didn’t have their shooting boots on
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8
Mee 6
Taylor 7
Brady 7
Westwood 7
Brownhill 6
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 6
Wood 6
Barnes 6
Good job Villa didn’t have their shooting boots on
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Pope 8
Lowton 8
Tarks 8
Mee 8
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Westwood 5
Brownhill 6
McNeil 7( first half 9, second 5)
Wood 5
J Rod 5
Barnes 5
Lowton 8
Tarks 8
Mee 8
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Westwood 5
Brownhill 6
McNeil 7( first half 9, second 5)
Wood 5
J Rod 5
Barnes 5
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Pope 6 - Saved well but wasn't troubled by much apart from the free kick which was a great save. Poor distribution at times
Lowton 7 - handled a trick Villa LH side well
Tarkowski 8 - MOM - Solid and made the game look easy
Mee 8 - as Tarks
Taylor 6 - poor going forward but defensively solid
Brady 6 - lacked end product. Defended well
Westwood 7 - Pressed well and attempted the box-to-box role quite well
Brownhill 6 - some daft mistakes and looked a little slow in his decision making
Mcneil 7 - good forward runs. Yes he loses the ball but he tries to make things happen. Needs to stop the silly passes backwards that drop short though
Wood 5 - Offered nothing
Rodriguez 6 - Offered slightly more than Wood but again nothing much
Subs
Barnes 4 - Poor for his short time on. More worried about backing in and trying to win free kicks. ref's have wised up sorry.
The long balls were pointless from Pope to Wood. Those two centre halves loved that all day long. Who plays long against us??? No-one because Mee & Tarks would love it. Why we kept doing it baffles me.
Lowton 7 - handled a trick Villa LH side well
Tarkowski 8 - MOM - Solid and made the game look easy
Mee 8 - as Tarks
Taylor 6 - poor going forward but defensively solid
Brady 6 - lacked end product. Defended well
Westwood 7 - Pressed well and attempted the box-to-box role quite well
Brownhill 6 - some daft mistakes and looked a little slow in his decision making
Mcneil 7 - good forward runs. Yes he loses the ball but he tries to make things happen. Needs to stop the silly passes backwards that drop short though
Wood 5 - Offered nothing
Rodriguez 6 - Offered slightly more than Wood but again nothing much
Subs
Barnes 4 - Poor for his short time on. More worried about backing in and trying to win free kicks. ref's have wised up sorry.
The long balls were pointless from Pope to Wood. Those two centre halves loved that all day long. Who plays long against us??? No-one because Mee & Tarks would love it. Why we kept doing it baffles me.
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Zero creativity again from our midfield and wingers and I’m tired of keep giving them 6’s and 7’s for effort alone. And I’m tired of giving our strikers 5’s and 6’s for “feeding on scraps”. It’s time they made something happen. I realize attack and defense is a team game and everyone helps out greatly but from now on I’m going to start marking them on what their prime responsibility is.
Pope - 8
Lowton - 7
Tarks - 8
Mee- 7
Taylor 7
Westwood -6
Brownhill - 6
McNeill 5
Brady - 5
Rodriguez - 4
Wood - 4
Barnes - 4
Pope - 8
Lowton - 7
Tarks - 8
Mee- 7
Taylor 7
Westwood -6
Brownhill - 6
McNeill 5
Brady - 5
Rodriguez - 4
Wood - 4
Barnes - 4
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"....Barnes 4 - Poor for his short time on. More worried about backing in and trying to win free kicks. ref's have wised up sorry."
Interesting point ---I wonder when the refs will wise up as to just how Grealish is winning so many free kicks ---he will be on a par with Ashley when they suddenly realise, however, Jack is the golden boy so I don't expect it to happen soon. He gets away with lots of thing including trying to referee games. HE is a good player, however, the officials seem to have a blind spot to so many of his antics.
Interesting point ---I wonder when the refs will wise up as to just how Grealish is winning so many free kicks ---he will be on a par with Ashley when they suddenly realise, however, Jack is the golden boy so I don't expect it to happen soon. He gets away with lots of thing including trying to referee games. HE is a good player, however, the officials seem to have a blind spot to so many of his antics.
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 8
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Westwood 6
Brownhill 7
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Wood 5
Barnes 5
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Westwood 6
Brownhill 7
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Wood 5
Barnes 5
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 8
Lowton 8
Taylor 8
Mee 8*
Tarkowski 8
McNeil 7
Brady 7
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
Wood 5
Rodriguez 5
Barnes 4
Lowton 8
Taylor 8
Mee 8*
Tarkowski 8
McNeil 7
Brady 7
Westwood 6
Brownhill 6
Wood 5
Rodriguez 5
Barnes 4
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Pope 8
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Brownhill 6
Westwood 6
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Wood 5
Barnes 5
Did well to get a point. A less wasteful team would have stuffed us last night.
Still, 4 points and 2 clean sheets isn't to be sniffed at from Arsenal and Villa away, and we're out of the bottom three, so that's positive.
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Brady 6
Brownhill 6
Westwood 6
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Wood 5
Barnes 5
Did well to get a point. A less wasteful team would have stuffed us last night.
Still, 4 points and 2 clean sheets isn't to be sniffed at from Arsenal and Villa away, and we're out of the bottom three, so that's positive.
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Pope 9* (Excellent positioning and handling again, but his kicking is still so poor. He almost never finds a Burnley player. Well not one who can hold the ball up anyway!)
Lowton 7
Tarks 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Westwood 7
Brownhill 7
McNeil 8 (Much more positive from him, but again some poor crosses, even from dead balls)
Brady 6 (Getting into the game much more, but does he EVER work on his crossing in training??)
Jayrod 6
Wood 5 (Very unlucky with the one header, but otherwise hopeless!)
Barnes 5 (I love him to bits, but I'd have Vydra ahead of him when subbing atm)
It's difficult to score games like this as if you look at sheer effort and determination and giving all for the cause you really couldn't ask for more imo, but when it comes to looking skillful and creative and dangerous we tend to look like we're hanging on by our shirt tails. Villa should be one of those teams around us battling in the group below the top 6 or 8 in mid table, but they're not. They've seriously moved on whilst we have stood still and they aren't the only team to do so in that group and if they'd had their shooting boots on we'd have lost easily. I'm absolutely chuffed with the point and the commitment, but it really is backs against the wall stuff in every single game now and particularly up front we need to find our spark again.
Lowton 7
Tarks 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Westwood 7
Brownhill 7
McNeil 8 (Much more positive from him, but again some poor crosses, even from dead balls)
Brady 6 (Getting into the game much more, but does he EVER work on his crossing in training??)
Jayrod 6
Wood 5 (Very unlucky with the one header, but otherwise hopeless!)
Barnes 5 (I love him to bits, but I'd have Vydra ahead of him when subbing atm)
It's difficult to score games like this as if you look at sheer effort and determination and giving all for the cause you really couldn't ask for more imo, but when it comes to looking skillful and creative and dangerous we tend to look like we're hanging on by our shirt tails. Villa should be one of those teams around us battling in the group below the top 6 or 8 in mid table, but they're not. They've seriously moved on whilst we have stood still and they aren't the only team to do so in that group and if they'd had their shooting boots on we'd have lost easily. I'm absolutely chuffed with the point and the commitment, but it really is backs against the wall stuff in every single game now and particularly up front we need to find our spark again.
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I'd have taken a point all day long, but I expected more, a lot more offensively against a patch up Villa side. We lose the ball/give the ball away too easily and are not convincing in 50/50's. That said we are heading in the right direction, and our best midfielder will soon be back. Can't come soon enough for me.
Pope 9- back to his best and no coincidence that he has Tarks and Mee in front of him.
Lowton 7-Thought he was solid.
Tarkowski 9*-Rethink- We must keep hold of him at all costs this season to increase our hopes of survival. Immense performance.
Mee 8-Probably the main reason why our form has improved over the last month.
Taylor 6-Think he needs to offer more going forward.
Brady 6-Even though I've not given a high mark, Robbie was impressive in parts and it's something to build on.
Brownhill 5-Personally I though he was poor. My guess is that he'll be the one to make way for JC's return.
Westwood 6-Not his best game.
McNeil 5-In the main ineffective. He needs to have greater influence on a game and take it by the scruff of the neck.
Wood 5-Bar his great chance from which he was unlucky, I cant think of a great deal else he contributed.
Rodriguez 6-Like CW, largely ineffective again.
Pope 9- back to his best and no coincidence that he has Tarks and Mee in front of him.
Lowton 7-Thought he was solid.
Tarkowski 9*-Rethink- We must keep hold of him at all costs this season to increase our hopes of survival. Immense performance.
Mee 8-Probably the main reason why our form has improved over the last month.
Taylor 6-Think he needs to offer more going forward.
Brady 6-Even though I've not given a high mark, Robbie was impressive in parts and it's something to build on.
Brownhill 5-Personally I though he was poor. My guess is that he'll be the one to make way for JC's return.
Westwood 6-Not his best game.
McNeil 5-In the main ineffective. He needs to have greater influence on a game and take it by the scruff of the neck.
Wood 5-Bar his great chance from which he was unlucky, I cant think of a great deal else he contributed.
Rodriguez 6-Like CW, largely ineffective again.
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8 MOM
Mee 7
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Brownhill 6
Westwood 7
Mc Neil 8
Rodriguez 6
Wood 6
Barnes 6
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8 MOM
Mee 7
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Brownhill 6
Westwood 7
Mc Neil 8
Rodriguez 6
Wood 6
Barnes 6
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Pope 8
Lowton 7
Mee 8
Tarks 8
Taylor 8
Brady 6
Brownhill 7
Westwood 6
McNeil 7
J Rod 6
Wood 5
Barnes 3
Lowton 7
Mee 8
Tarks 8
Taylor 8
Brady 6
Brownhill 7
Westwood 6
McNeil 7
J Rod 6
Wood 5
Barnes 3
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
I was really disappointed with last night's game. After Sunday against Arsenal, I expected us to be up for it, and we just weren’t. If it wasn’t for Pope, our back 4 and some very poor finishing we could have lost by a big margin. Very lucky to come away with a point.
As for ratings, 5 is below par and it sometimes seems harsh, but I thought our midfield was well below par, again. I can’t fault the effort, therefore the ability of our midfield players must be questioned. The front two aren’t getting enough service and the midfield isn’t taking the pressure off the defence. Hopefully Cork’s return will help us.
I agree with Ashtonlongsider’s ratings largely:
Pope 9 - really excellent again – he takes some beating – and what a fingertip save -
Lowton 7-I think he did well overall – he’s a weak link for me, but had one of his better games
Tarkowski -8 – wonderful performance under siege – he loves defending and got lots of opportunity
Mee 7- Gave the ball away a couple of times, his control lets him down, but excellent defending
Taylor 7 – battled against the Villa tide. Some very good tackles. Not much going forward
Brady 6 –Some good moments, but fails to impose himself and rarely beats a man.
Brownhill 5- I’ve described him as lightweight before and this was a lightweight performance for me. He covers the ground well, but needs to hold the ball up. He was good at Arsenal, but poor last night
Westwood 5 – Poor again from Westwood. Lost possession and doesn’t win as many second balls as he used to. Unlucky with a shot, but disappointing overall.
McNeil 5- Very good in the first half and our only creative midfielder. Went AWOL second half
Wood 5-Didn’t offer much, but wasn’t given much opportunity either. Mings won most headers
Rodriguez 5 – Didn’t get any support on the few occasions he got into good areas.
As for ratings, 5 is below par and it sometimes seems harsh, but I thought our midfield was well below par, again. I can’t fault the effort, therefore the ability of our midfield players must be questioned. The front two aren’t getting enough service and the midfield isn’t taking the pressure off the defence. Hopefully Cork’s return will help us.
I agree with Ashtonlongsider’s ratings largely:
Pope 9 - really excellent again – he takes some beating – and what a fingertip save -
Lowton 7-I think he did well overall – he’s a weak link for me, but had one of his better games
Tarkowski -8 – wonderful performance under siege – he loves defending and got lots of opportunity
Mee 7- Gave the ball away a couple of times, his control lets him down, but excellent defending
Taylor 7 – battled against the Villa tide. Some very good tackles. Not much going forward
Brady 6 –Some good moments, but fails to impose himself and rarely beats a man.
Brownhill 5- I’ve described him as lightweight before and this was a lightweight performance for me. He covers the ground well, but needs to hold the ball up. He was good at Arsenal, but poor last night
Westwood 5 – Poor again from Westwood. Lost possession and doesn’t win as many second balls as he used to. Unlucky with a shot, but disappointing overall.
McNeil 5- Very good in the first half and our only creative midfielder. Went AWOL second half
Wood 5-Didn’t offer much, but wasn’t given much opportunity either. Mings won most headers
Rodriguez 5 – Didn’t get any support on the few occasions he got into good areas.
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Pope 9
Lowton 7
Mee 9
Tarky 9*
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Westwood 7
McNeil 8
Brownhill 7
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6
Barnes 6
Lowton 7
Mee 9
Tarky 9*
Taylor 8
Brady 7
Westwood 7
McNeil 8
Brownhill 7
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6
Barnes 6
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Re: Aston Villa v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 8
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9*
Mee 8
Taylor 8
Brady 6
Westwood 7
Brownhill 7
Mcneil 7
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6
Subs
Barnes 5
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 9*
Mee 8
Taylor 8
Brady 6
Westwood 7
Brownhill 7
Mcneil 7
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6
Subs
Barnes 5
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Fair assessment.... Midfield and RFB is most certainly the position were money needs to be invested.Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:30 amI was really disappointed with last night's game. After Sunday against Arsenal, I expected us to be up for it, and we just weren’t. If it wasn’t for Pope, our back 4 and some very poor finishing we could have lost by a big margin. Very lucky to come away with a point.
As for ratings, 5 is below par and it sometimes seems harsh, but I thought our midfield was well below par, again. I can’t fault the effort, therefore the ability of our midfield players must be questioned. The front two aren’t getting enough service and the midfield isn’t taking the pressure off the defence. Hopefully Cork’s return will help us.
I agree with Ashtonlongsider’s ratings largely:
Pope 9 - really excellent again – he takes some beating – and what a fingertip save -
Lowton 7-I think he did well overall – he’s a weak link for me, but had one of his better games
Tarkowski -8 – wonderful performance under siege – he loves defending and got lots of opportunity
Mee 7- Gave the ball away a couple of times, his control lets him down, but excellent defending
Taylor 7 – battled against the Villa tide. Some very good tackles. Not much going forward
Brady 6 –Some good moments, but fails to impose himself and rarely beats a man.
Brownhill 5- I’ve described him as lightweight before and this was a lightweight performance for me. He covers the ground well, but needs to hold the ball up. He was good at Arsenal, but poor last night
Westwood 5 – Poor again from Westwood. Lost possession and doesn’t win as many second balls as he used to. Unlucky with a shot, but disappointing overall.
McNeil 5- Very good in the first half and our only creative midfielder. Went AWOL second half
Wood 5-Didn’t offer much, but wasn’t given much opportunity either. Mings won most headers
Rodriguez 5 – Didn’t get any support on the few occasions he got into good areas.
Westwood is having a poor season he isn't the same player as last season
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I would not put money on this. Seriously.ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:57 amBrownhill 5-Personally I though he was poor. My guess is that he'll be the one to make way for JC's return.
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Both Brownhill and Westwood are hit and miss. Of the pair I think that Westwood as been disappointing, he is not the same player he was last season.
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Still, 4 points and 2 clean sheets isn't to be sniffed at from Arsenal and Villa away, and we're out of the bottom three, so that's positive.
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Exactly!
When you look at the team's around us, they haven't turned it around like we have, you could say sheff utd have gone?
Wba.. championship team with a new manager
Fulham.. slowly realising you need to defend.
Brighton in free fall and Newcastle too
Still, 4 points and 2 clean sheets isn't to be sniffed at from Arsenal and Villa away, and we're out of the bottom three, so that's positive.
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Exactly!
When you look at the team's around us, they haven't turned it around like we have, you could say sheff utd have gone?
Wba.. championship team with a new manager
Fulham.. slowly realising you need to defend.
Brighton in free fall and Newcastle too