Daniel James

[nyclaret]

Rumoured to be on his way out of Old Trafford in January. Is he an unrealistic target? I'm sure Leeds and Bielsa would be first in the queue.

[FactualFrank]

Leeds will no doubt be throwing another £100 million at players again in January, so expect he'll be going there.

I'd say his wages will probably be too high for us.

[Jakubclaret]

He’s on 50k staggering really for somebody who hardly kicks a ball competitively wouldn’t surprise me if he considers dropping the wage demands to be playing more regular, it’s certainly worth asking or if it’s a loan man United to offer a makeweight to get him off the books.

[BurnleyFC]

Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.

[Devils_Advocate]

£50k isnt that high for a player costing £15m and who played in nearly every league game last season for the 3rd place team. How much are we paying our players these days cos they must be on that kind of money?

[TVC15]

Wasn’t he at the Leeds ground ready to sign before a last minute hitch ? Think he will end up there.
He’s on a similar salary to some of our team, he’s young and got pace to burn.
Being at United can easily knock the confidence out of a player.
Think he would be a good signing for us.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Would be brilliant for us James on the right McNeil on the left ! However he’s probably 90% certain to go to Leeds if he’s let go by United

[LeadBelly]

I think he's in the 2nd year of a 5-year deal at c £45k per week. United will want over £15 million they paid Swansea for him Id guess and he'd presumably want a salary increase to move out of his remaining 3 + years of contract. Maybe looking at £20 million + and £55k+ weekly wages on a longish contract?

Quite a big gamble for us on a player who is promising but hasnt had much game-time this season (despite a fairly decent few games in his previous season). He seems to be doing well for Wales though and has plenty of pace.

Given the investment United have already made, I'd've though a loan for some game-time/development might be better than selling- unless there's been a fall-out.

[Spike]

Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.
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United cast offs = same fate as Sunderland

[jrgbfc]

£50k isnt that high for a player costing £15m and who played in nearly every league game last season for the 3rd place team. How much are we paying our players these days cos they must be on that kind of money?

I'm sure our top earners will be on that sort of money now, or very close to it.

[jrgbfc]

He's too fast for us. He'd be getting to the byline and Barnes and Wood would be about 40 yards behind him

[NewClaret]

I'm sure our top earners will be on that sort of money now, or very close to it.

Tarks and Mee are on £55k I think.

[tim_noone]

He’s on 50k staggering really for somebody who hardly kicks a ball competitively wouldn’t surprise me if he considers dropping the wage demands to be playing more regular, it’s certainly worth asking or if it’s a loan man United to offer a makeweight to get him off the books.

What's Chris Wood on?

[NewClaret]

No way he’ll be coming here. He was at Leeds, medical passed, pen in his hand ready to sign the window before he went to United. Reckon he’ll feel there is some unfinished business there now that they are in the Prem.

[tim_noone]

Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.

Living dangerously is more exciting though.

[cockneyclaret]

You never know.. the omlette could swing it for us! Plus the fact he'll be a guaranteed starter for that position

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'd have him here, young enough to want to push on.

Rather him than Lingard.

[jojomk1]

Not guaranteed to get a start at Leeds and we should certainly be putting in a loan bid in Jan

[jojomk1]

Living dangerously is more exciting though.

Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)

[tim_noone]

Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)

I do think Jones would be a great addition should we Lose tarkowski... though it would be nice to see more goals to.

[Marty Dobson]

He's too fast for us. He'd be getting to the byline and Barnes and Wood would be about 40 yards behind him

At least Wood would be onside.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)

The length of Jones' contract means they're gonna want more than just £2 million, gonna be at least £20 million

[Jakubclaret]

What's Chris Wood on?

No idea, don’t mean to be churlish but does that have any relevance? I think James is more of a out & out winger by trade but he could probably be versatile if needed.

[Taffy on the wing]

He looks a real lightweight to me, wouldn't want him here.

[NickBFC]

He looks a real lightweight to me, wouldn't want him here.

I've always thought the same. Weak on/off the ball and often fails to deliver a final ball. Potential maybe, but far too expensive/risky for me.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

What's Chris Wood on?

Sedatives ?

[Woodleyclaret]

Let's hope the idea of signing busted flushes Lingard and Jones is just an alcohol fuelled rumour

[Danieljwaterhouse]

The length of Jones' contract means they're gonna want more than just £2 million, gonna be at least £20 million

Jones for 20 million...

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.

[tiger76]

Doesn't sound like James is going anywhere in January. From the BBC gossip page.

Manchester United's Daniel James, 23, is not willing to leave on loan in January, with the Wales winger keen to fight for his place at Old Trafford.

Jones could be a different story.

Manchester United centre-back Phil Jones is a loan target for West Brom and Derby County in January, while Burnley could also be interested in the 28-year-old if they sell fellow English defender James Tarkowski, 28.

I wonder how much the Rooney connection could help Derby in their quest to sign him, it must have a bearing surely, and although he'd be dropping down a division, Phil Jones has a much greater chance of getting regular game time at Derby, assuming of course he's not injured, that's my biggest concern about him, if Tarks goes in January (hopefully not) then any replacement would need to be able to step in straight away, and Jones injury record over recent years doesn't inspire confidence that he could do that.

[NewClaret]

Jones for 20 million...

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.

They’d have to pay me to take Jones, and pay half his wages!

[Giftonsnoidea]

Jones has been out for what, 2 years? He would be JBG’s injury buddy, no thank you, wouldn’t take him on a free

[CnBtruntru]

BBC Sport
15:30
BREAKING
James starts for Man Utd
Man Utd v Leeds Utd (16:30 GMT)

A surprise in the Manchester United line-up, Daniel James gets a start.

Paul Pogba is on the bench.

Nowt like putting him in the shop window for Leeds, or maybe rubbing in the fact there not going to get him. Ole rubbing it in.

[Colburn_Claret]

James playing and just scored their 5th.
It doesn't look like he's going anywhere

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Jones for 20 million...

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.

Lingard has no consistency.

We moan about lack of goals and creativity from our attacking players and Lingard scored once last season, in the last game which I remember because someone was on the radio moaning that he'd bet Lingard wouldn't score in that season.

I don't think he created many either, so he'd be no use here.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Not professing that Lingaard is Messi. But hes a player thats regularly featured for Man Utd for at least 5 years and regularly playing in 40 plus games a year. He started pretty much all Englands games in the run to the world cup semi finals and offers something we dont have. Pace and energy in the middle.

He is easily good enough for us. The only question would be attitude and desire.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...

[Rileybobs]

33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...

For some more balance, McNeill takes corners, and has assisted a number of times from them. And whilst these assists are rightly equivalent to assists from open play, it is worth considering this when comparing the two players.

Secondly, James’ goal scoring record is far superior which shouldn’t be glossed over.

[cricketfieldclarets]

33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...

As I say im not saying hes messi. But must be a reason he has played as many games as he has for a club like united who throw millions at players.


But if we want to compare stats. He has more goals than all of our midfielders. And more assists than all but Westwood who has about double in double the games.

Jesse Lingard, 28 years old. 18 goals and 10 assists in 133 appearances.
Jack Cork, 31 years old. 8 goals and 9 assists in 264 appearances.
Dale Stephens. 32 years old, 1 goal and 5 assists in 102 appearences.
Ashley Westwood. 30 years old, 10 goals and 26 assists in 233 appearences.
Josh Brownhill. 25 years old, 0 goals and 0 assists in 25 appearances.

Looking at our other recent midfielders his stats are far better than all bar Barton who played way more games at this level than him.

Jeff Hendrick 6 goals and 11 assists.
Steven Defour got 2 goals and 4 assists in 54 games.
Joey Barton 26 goals and 34 assists.
David Jones 3 and 3.
Dean Marney 4 and 10.

We could do a lot worse than Jesse Lingaard.

[NewClaret]

Not professing that Lingaard is Messi. But hes a player thats regularly featured for Man Utd for at least 5 years and regularly playing in 40 plus games a year. He started pretty much all Englands games in the run to the world cup semi finals and offers something we dont have. Pace and energy in the middle.

He is easily good enough for us. The only question would be attitude and desire.

No doubting his quality. He’d be a great acquisition.

My concern would be whether his heart would be in it (sure he’d prefer to sign for Spurs/Arsenal, given his profile) and the impact on the dressing room. One thing we do have is a great togetherness, and I’d worry with all his social media stuff that he’d disrupt that.

Can’t see Dyche fancying it for one second - he’s very traditional like that in how you dress and behave. Suspect it might do Lingard some good though and if he were mature enough to realise he had to change if he came here, it could work. I’m just not sure he is, tbh.

[claretburns]

Lingard has no consistency.

We moan about lack of goals and creativity from our attacking players and Lingard scored once last season, in the last game which I remember because someone was on the radio moaning that he'd bet Lingard wouldn't score in that season.

I don't think he created many either, so he'd be no use here.

I remember that, wasn't it he wouldn't score or assist all season at 80/1 then scored in last minute of the last game of the season? I think the bookie, can't remember which, did pay out on the bet as some goodwill PR spin.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I remember that, wasn't it he wouldn't score or assist all season at 80/1 then scored in last minute of the last game of the season? I think the bookie, can't remember which, did pay out on the bet as some goodwill PR spin.

Yeah that was the bet, I don't know if the bookie paid out or not but fair play if they did.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

As I say im not saying hes messi. But must be a reason he has played as many games as he has for a club like united who throw millions at players.


But if we want to compare stats. He has more goals than all of our midfielders. And more assists than all but Westwood who has about double in double the games.

Jesse Lingard, 28 years old. 18 goals and 10 assists in 133 appearances.
Jack Cork, 31 years old. 8 goals and 9 assists in 264 appearances.
Dale Stephens. 32 years old, 1 goal and 5 assists in 102 appearences.
Ashley Westwood. 30 years old, 10 goals and 26 assists in 233 appearences.
Josh Brownhill. 25 years old, 0 goals and 0 assists in 25 appearances.

Looking at our other recent midfielders his stats are far better than all bar Barton who played way more games at this level than him.

Jeff Hendrick 6 goals and 11 assists.
Steven Defour got 2 goals and 4 assists in 54 games.
Joey Barton 26 goals and 34 assists.
David Jones 3 and 3.
Dean Marney 4 and 10.

We could do a lot worse than Jesse Lingaard.

We could probably do better than him too.

[Jakubclaret]

We could probably do better than him too.

We could without a doubt, but there’s so many right boxes to be ticked for a club like ours & for the player, it’s far from simple identifying the right player in assessing the suitability.

[TVC15]

The worry about Lingard is how far away he seems to be from getting in the United team recently. United have had some up and down spells of form and he’s gone from being a regular to being pretty much nowhere the team.
He’s had some big off the field issues too and also out of the England picture again after being a regular not that long ago.
His career seems to be on the slide and whilst it’s very unlikely he’s become a bad player overnight I think with the wage he is on and the heights he reached he’s much more likely to give it a go at a big club like Everton or similar to try and revitalise his career (and sign a 3 or 4 year contract on the kind of wages he is used to being paid at United).

I wouldn’t expect Dan James to be on the wages Lingard is on and personally think he would be more open to development and more motivated too. But again after playing for United like he has I think his expectations would be to join a bigger club than us and I think there would be a few clubs after him.

For me I think we are better going for the best players from the top championship teams - especially the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich etc who have played in the Premier League.

[warksclaret]

After the way he played v Leeds , no chance. Lingard and Jones yes, as no chance either will play for Man Utd this season

[cricketfieldclarets]

No doubting his quality. He’d be a great acquisition.

My concern would be whether his heart would be in it (sure he’d prefer to sign for Spurs/Arsenal, given his profile) and the impact on the dressing room. One thing we do have is a great togetherness, and I’d worry with all his social media stuff that he’d disrupt that.

Can’t see Dyche fancying it for one second - he’s very traditional like that in how you dress and behave. Suspect it might do Lingard some good though and if he were mature enough to realise he had to change if he came here, it could work. I’m just not sure he is, tbh.

FWIW I agree

[cricketfieldclarets]

We could probably do better than him too.

With an unlimited budget we could. But given our budget and the evidence of the players in that role we have had, the odds are against us. Freescoring free assisting midfielders are a lot rarer than you'd think.

For all the plaudits Grealish gets, he has less goals and only two more assists at 25. As I say there is may to it than stats though. In both players' case here.

Who realistically do you think we could get that would offer more than Lingard?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We have a scouting team, I'd expect them to find someone who would cost less in wages than the £100k a week Lingard is on.

I understand you've got a hardon for him, but I don't.

He's anonymous far to often to justify signing him.

[FactualFrank]

We have a scouting team, I'd expect them to find someone who would cost less in wages than the £100k a week Lingard is on.

I understand you've got a hardon for him, but I don't.

He's anonymous far to often to justify signing him.

Let's agree on one thing. Lingard would walk into our team.

Would he take 60k a week for regular football? I think we'd pay that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Let's agree on one thing. Lingard would walk into our team.

Would he take 60k a week for regular football? I think we'd pay that.

A focused and committed Lingard would yes, but he can't even be that at Utd, so right now he wouldn't.

As for his £60k a week, paying him that will mean we need to improve the wages of a number of our current squad, unless Lingard can prove he's by far and away worth paying more than our club captain, and right now I don't know he if can.

As someone else has alluded to, Lingard won't step down to us, he's more of an Everton type player.