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Daniel James

Post by nyclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:06 am

Rumoured to be on his way out of Old Trafford in January. Is he an unrealistic target? I'm sure Leeds and Bielsa would be first in the queue.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 am

Leeds will no doubt be throwing another £100 million at players again in January, so expect he'll be going there.

I'd say his wages will probably be too high for us.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:24 am

He’s on 50k staggering really for somebody who hardly kicks a ball competitively wouldn’t surprise me if he considers dropping the wage demands to be playing more regular, it’s certainly worth asking or if it’s a loan man United to offer a makeweight to get him off the books.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 am

Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:32 am

£50k isnt that high for a player costing £15m and who played in nearly every league game last season for the 3rd place team. How much are we paying our players these days cos they must be on that kind of money?
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Re: Daniel James

Post by TVC15 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:33 am

Wasn’t he at the Leeds ground ready to sign before a last minute hitch ? Think he will end up there.
He’s on a similar salary to some of our team, he’s young and got pace to burn.
Being at United can easily knock the confidence out of a player.
Think he would be a good signing for us.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:35 am

Would be brilliant for us James on the right McNeil on the left ! However he’s probably 90% certain to go to Leeds if he’s let go by United

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Re: Daniel James

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:44 am

I think he's in the 2nd year of a 5-year deal at c £45k per week. United will want over £15 million they paid Swansea for him Id guess and he'd presumably want a salary increase to move out of his remaining 3 + years of contract. Maybe looking at £20 million + and £55k+ weekly wages on a longish contract?

Quite a big gamble for us on a player who is promising but hasnt had much game-time this season (despite a fairly decent few games in his previous season). He seems to be doing well for Wales though and has plenty of pace.

Given the investment United have already made, I'd've though a loan for some game-time/development might be better than selling- unless there's been a fall-out.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Spike » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:15 am

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 am
Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.
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Re: Daniel James

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:44 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:32 am
£50k isnt that high for a player costing £15m and who played in nearly every league game last season for the 3rd place team. How much are we paying our players these days cos they must be on that kind of money?
I'm sure our top earners will be on that sort of money now, or very close to it.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:47 am

He's too fast for us. He'd be getting to the byline and Barnes and Wood would be about 40 yards behind him :D
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Re: Daniel James

Post by NewClaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:49 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:44 am
I'm sure our top earners will be on that sort of money now, or very close to it.
Tarks and Mee are on £55k I think.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by tim_noone » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:49 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:24 am
He’s on 50k staggering really for somebody who hardly kicks a ball competitively wouldn’t surprise me if he considers dropping the wage demands to be playing more regular, it’s certainly worth asking or if it’s a loan man United to offer a makeweight to get him off the books.
What's Chris Wood on? ;)

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Re: Daniel James

Post by NewClaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:50 am

No way he’ll be coming here. He was at Leeds, medical passed, pen in his hand ready to sign the window before he went to United. Reckon he’ll feel there is some unfinished business there now that they are in the Prem.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by tim_noone » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 am

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 am
Would love to see him here, either on loan or as a permanent signing.

Lingard, Jones and James from United and we’d stay up with ease.
Living dangerously is more exciting though.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by cockneyclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:04 am

You never know.. the omlette could swing it for us! Plus the fact he'll be a guaranteed starter for that position

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:21 am

I'd have him here, young enough to want to push on.

Rather him than Lingard.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:00 pm

Not guaranteed to get a start at Leeds and we should certainly be putting in a loan bid in Jan

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Re: Daniel James

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:04 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:51 am
Living dangerously is more exciting though.
Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well :D

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)

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Re: Daniel James

Post by tim_noone » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:11 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:04 pm
Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well :D

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)
I do think Jones would be a great addition should we Lose tarkowski... though it would be nice to see more goals to.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Marty Dobson » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:13 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:47 am
He's too fast for us. He'd be getting to the byline and Barnes and Wood would be about 40 yards behind him :D
At least Wood would be onside.
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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:16 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:04 pm
Living dangerously is more likely than getting all three as well :D

Plus, we would have to actually buy one of them outright - will Utd accept £2m for Jones (even though some may not even think him worth such a large amount)
The length of Jones' contract means they're gonna want more than just £2 million, gonna be at least £20 million

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:27 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:49 am
What's Chris Wood on? ;)
No idea, don’t mean to be churlish but does that have any relevance? I think James is more of a out & out winger by trade but he could probably be versatile if needed.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:53 pm

He looks a real lightweight to me, wouldn't want him here.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by NickBFC » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:54 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:53 pm
He looks a real lightweight to me, wouldn't want him here.
I've always thought the same. Weak on/off the ball and often fails to deliver a final ball. Potential maybe, but far too expensive/risky for me.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:43 am

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:49 am
What's Chris Wood on? ;)
Sedatives ?
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Re: Daniel James

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:15 am

Let's hope the idea of signing busted flushes Lingard and Jones is just an alcohol fuelled rumour

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:16 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:16 pm
The length of Jones' contract means they're gonna want more than just £2 million, gonna be at least £20 million
Jones for 20 million...🤨

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Doesn't sound like James is going anywhere in January. From the BBC gossip page.

Manchester United's Daniel James, 23, is not willing to leave on loan in January, with the Wales winger keen to fight for his place at Old Trafford.

Jones could be a different story.

Manchester United centre-back Phil Jones is a loan target for West Brom and Derby County in January, while Burnley could also be interested in the 28-year-old if they sell fellow English defender James Tarkowski, 28.

I wonder how much the Rooney connection could help Derby in their quest to sign him, it must have a bearing surely, and although he'd be dropping down a division, Phil Jones has a much greater chance of getting regular game time at Derby, assuming of course he's not injured, that's my biggest concern about him, if Tarks goes in January (hopefully not) then any replacement would need to be able to step in straight away, and Jones injury record over recent years doesn't inspire confidence that he could do that.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:00 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:16 am
Jones for 20 million...🤨

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.
They’d have to pay me to take Jones, and pay half his wages!

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:53 pm

Jones has been out for what, 2 years? He would be JBG’s injury buddy, no thank you, wouldn’t take him on a free
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Re: Daniel James

Post by CnBtruntru » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:44 pm

BBC Sport
15:30
BREAKING
James starts for Man Utd
Man Utd v Leeds Utd (16:30 GMT)

A surprise in the Manchester United line-up, Daniel James gets a start.

Paul Pogba is on the bench.

Nowt like putting him in the shop window for Leeds, or maybe rubbing in the fact there not going to get him. Ole rubbing it in.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:57 pm

James playing and just scored their 5th.
It doesn't look like he's going anywhere

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:29 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:16 am
Jones for 20 million...🤨

James is fast, technically poor. I wouldn’t want him here over Lingard.
Lingard has no consistency.

We moan about lack of goals and creativity from our attacking players and Lingard scored once last season, in the last game which I remember because someone was on the radio moaning that he'd bet Lingard wouldn't score in that season.

I don't think he created many either, so he'd be no use here.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:42 pm

Not professing that Lingaard is Messi. But hes a player thats regularly featured for Man Utd for at least 5 years and regularly playing in 40 plus games a year. He started pretty much all Englands games in the run to the world cup semi finals and offers something we dont have. Pace and energy in the middle.

He is easily good enough for us. The only question would be attitude and desire.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:24 pm

33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:24 pm
33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...
For some more balance, McNeill takes corners, and has assisted a number of times from them. And whilst these assists are rightly equivalent to assists from open play, it is worth considering this when comparing the two players.

Secondly, James’ goal scoring record is far superior which shouldn’t be glossed over.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:36 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:24 pm
33 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions for Utd.

In the PL for Utd -
10 assists and 18 goals in 133 league appearances.

Yes he's been a regular player for Utd, but as I've said we already struggle to provide enough opportunities for our forwards, I'd rather we didn't bother with someone like Lingard, I'd rather we put our time, effort and money into someone younger who's more likely to improve.

For some balance -

Dwight McNeil in the PL

72 appearances, 5 goals, 12 assists.

Cost us far less, has improved each season and will continue to do so, but he's already assisted in more goals...
As I say im not saying hes messi. But must be a reason he has played as many games as he has for a club like united who throw millions at players.


But if we want to compare stats. He has more goals than all of our midfielders. And more assists than all but Westwood who has about double in double the games.

Jesse Lingard, 28 years old. 18 goals and 10 assists in 133 appearances.
Jack Cork, 31 years old. 8 goals and 9 assists in 264 appearances.
Dale Stephens. 32 years old, 1 goal and 5 assists in 102 appearences.
Ashley Westwood. 30 years old, 10 goals and 26 assists in 233 appearences.
Josh Brownhill. 25 years old, 0 goals and 0 assists in 25 appearances.

Looking at our other recent midfielders his stats are far better than all bar Barton who played way more games at this level than him.

Jeff Hendrick 6 goals and 11 assists.
Steven Defour got 2 goals and 4 assists in 54 games.
Joey Barton 26 goals and 34 assists.
David Jones 3 and 3.
Dean Marney 4 and 10.

We could do a lot worse than Jesse Lingaard.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:42 pm
Not professing that Lingaard is Messi. But hes a player thats regularly featured for Man Utd for at least 5 years and regularly playing in 40 plus games a year. He started pretty much all Englands games in the run to the world cup semi finals and offers something we dont have. Pace and energy in the middle.

He is easily good enough for us. The only question would be attitude and desire.
No doubting his quality. He’d be a great acquisition.

My concern would be whether his heart would be in it (sure he’d prefer to sign for Spurs/Arsenal, given his profile) and the impact on the dressing room. One thing we do have is a great togetherness, and I’d worry with all his social media stuff that he’d disrupt that.

Can’t see Dyche fancying it for one second - he’s very traditional like that in how you dress and behave. Suspect it might do Lingard some good though and if he were mature enough to realise he had to change if he came here, it could work. I’m just not sure he is, tbh.
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Re: Daniel James

Post by claretburns » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:06 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:29 pm
Lingard has no consistency.

We moan about lack of goals and creativity from our attacking players and Lingard scored once last season, in the last game which I remember because someone was on the radio moaning that he'd bet Lingard wouldn't score in that season.

I don't think he created many either, so he'd be no use here.
I remember that, wasn't it he wouldn't score or assist all season at 80/1 then scored in last minute of the last game of the season? I think the bookie, can't remember which, did pay out on the bet as some goodwill PR spin.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:25 am

claretburns wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:06 am
I remember that, wasn't it he wouldn't score or assist all season at 80/1 then scored in last minute of the last game of the season? I think the bookie, can't remember which, did pay out on the bet as some goodwill PR spin.
Yeah that was the bet, I don't know if the bookie paid out or not but fair play if they did.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:26 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:36 am
As I say im not saying hes messi. But must be a reason he has played as many games as he has for a club like united who throw millions at players.


But if we want to compare stats. He has more goals than all of our midfielders. And more assists than all but Westwood who has about double in double the games.

Jesse Lingard, 28 years old. 18 goals and 10 assists in 133 appearances.
Jack Cork, 31 years old. 8 goals and 9 assists in 264 appearances.
Dale Stephens. 32 years old, 1 goal and 5 assists in 102 appearences.
Ashley Westwood. 30 years old, 10 goals and 26 assists in 233 appearences.
Josh Brownhill. 25 years old, 0 goals and 0 assists in 25 appearances.

Looking at our other recent midfielders his stats are far better than all bar Barton who played way more games at this level than him.

Jeff Hendrick 6 goals and 11 assists.
Steven Defour got 2 goals and 4 assists in 54 games.
Joey Barton 26 goals and 34 assists.
David Jones 3 and 3.
Dean Marney 4 and 10.

We could do a lot worse than Jesse Lingaard.
We could probably do better than him too.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:39 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:26 am
We could probably do better than him too.
We could without a doubt, but there’s so many right boxes to be ticked for a club like ours & for the player, it’s far from simple identifying the right player in assessing the suitability.
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Re: Daniel James

Post by TVC15 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:46 am

The worry about Lingard is how far away he seems to be from getting in the United team recently. United have had some up and down spells of form and he’s gone from being a regular to being pretty much nowhere the team.
He’s had some big off the field issues too and also out of the England picture again after being a regular not that long ago.
His career seems to be on the slide and whilst it’s very unlikely he’s become a bad player overnight I think with the wage he is on and the heights he reached he’s much more likely to give it a go at a big club like Everton or similar to try and revitalise his career (and sign a 3 or 4 year contract on the kind of wages he is used to being paid at United).

I wouldn’t expect Dan James to be on the wages Lingard is on and personally think he would be more open to development and more motivated too. But again after playing for United like he has I think his expectations would be to join a bigger club than us and I think there would be a few clubs after him.

For me I think we are better going for the best players from the top championship teams - especially the likes of Bournemouth, Norwich etc who have played in the Premier League.
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Re: Daniel James

Post by warksclaret » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:52 pm

After the way he played v Leeds , no chance. Lingard and Jones yes, as no chance either will play for Man Utd this season

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Re: Daniel James

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:04 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 am
No doubting his quality. He’d be a great acquisition.

My concern would be whether his heart would be in it (sure he’d prefer to sign for Spurs/Arsenal, given his profile) and the impact on the dressing room. One thing we do have is a great togetherness, and I’d worry with all his social media stuff that he’d disrupt that.

Can’t see Dyche fancying it for one second - he’s very traditional like that in how you dress and behave. Suspect it might do Lingard some good though and if he were mature enough to realise he had to change if he came here, it could work. I’m just not sure he is, tbh.
FWIW I agree
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Re: Daniel James

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:10 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:26 am
We could probably do better than him too.
With an unlimited budget we could. But given our budget and the evidence of the players in that role we have had, the odds are against us. Freescoring free assisting midfielders are a lot rarer than you'd think.

For all the plaudits Grealish gets, he has less goals and only two more assists at 25. As I say there is may to it than stats though. In both players' case here.

Who realistically do you think we could get that would offer more than Lingard?

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:41 pm

We have a scouting team, I'd expect them to find someone who would cost less in wages than the £100k a week Lingard is on.

I understand you've got a hardon for him, but I don't.

He's anonymous far to often to justify signing him.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:41 pm
We have a scouting team, I'd expect them to find someone who would cost less in wages than the £100k a week Lingard is on.

I understand you've got a hardon for him, but I don't.

He's anonymous far to often to justify signing him.
Let's agree on one thing. Lingard would walk into our team.

Would he take 60k a week for regular football? I think we'd pay that.

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Re: Daniel James

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:47 pm
Let's agree on one thing. Lingard would walk into our team.

Would he take 60k a week for regular football? I think we'd pay that.
A focused and committed Lingard would yes, but he can't even be that at Utd, so right now he wouldn't.

As for his £60k a week, paying him that will mean we need to improve the wages of a number of our current squad, unless Lingard can prove he's by far and away worth paying more than our club captain, and right now I don't know he if can.

As someone else has alluded to, Lingard won't step down to us, he's more of an Everton type player.

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