Big shock news set to come out of Watford

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Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:45 pm

Looks like they are sacking another manager

If so, the list of departed since the Pozzo buy out is

Sean Dyche
Gianfranco Zola
Giuseppe Sannino
Oscar Garcia
Billy McKinlay
Slavis Jokanovic
Quique Sanchez Flores
Walter Mazzari
Marco Silva
Javier Gracia
Quique Sanchez Flores
Nigel Pearson
Vladimir Ivic

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:48 pm

I am just glad he sacked SD.
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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by jedi_master » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:48 pm

5th in the league, 4 points off 2nd.

How pathetic.
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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:51 pm

A bit like Leicester, you don't take on the senior players. He left Deeney out today for disciplinary reasons, apparently left him as an unused sub.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:53 pm

How on earth can they justify a bonkers decision like this ? I suspected it had to be a disciplinary matter because it's definitely not a football one.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:58 pm

You absolutely should take on the senior players if they're not doing it right. What's the alternative? Just let them get away with murder?

What you need is the backing of the board if you're taking on lazy senior players with over-sized egos. Watford's board don't exactly have a history of backing their manager though.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:00 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:58 pm
You absolutely should take on the senior players if they're not doing it right. What's the alternative? Just let them get away with murder?

What you need is the backing of the board if you're taking on lazy senior players with over-sized egos. Watford's board don't exactly have a history of backing their manager though.
I wasn't saying you shouldn't take on the senior players, just that at some clubs it inevitably leads to your departure.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:00 pm
I wasn't saying you shouldn't take on the senior players, just that at some clubs it inevitably leads to your departure.
Yes, sorry, I knew what you were saying, I didn't mean it to come across as having a go there.

What chance does a manager have at a club like that though. They'll never have authority over the group if the senior players know they can get the manager sacked should they take a disliking to something. Any manager looking to go in there now would have to be daft or desperate. Mind you, the pay-off wouldn't be so bad.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by kritichris » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:11 pm

That's the trouble with Italian owners, so volatile..In bocca al lupo.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:13 pm

Another example of the owner wanting to pick the team.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by simonclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:19 pm

Just confirmed by Watford on Twitter.

Edit: Apologies, was fake!
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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:23 pm

Arteta must be next on the list to get sacked.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:51 pm
A bit like Leicester, you don't take on the senior players. He left Deeney out today for disciplinary reasons, apparently left him as an unused sub.
Gobshite Deeney is still a bad egg then it seems.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:30 pm

Nothing announced on Twitter from what I can see?
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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:40 pm

Telegraph has a piece on this timed about half past 7 this evening https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... hs-charge/

"Watford manager Vladimir Ivic is facing the sack after just four months in charge, following the 2–0 defeat at Huddersfield Town on Saturday, their fourth loss of the season.

Appointed in August on an initial one-year contract, the Serbian was charged with the task of guiding Watford straight back to the Premier League following their relegation last season.

Ivic was the 12th permanent head coach owner Gino Pazzo has hired in the last eight years, following the dismissal of Nigel Pearson before the end of the last campaign.

Yet there have been frequent rumours of friction with the squad and it now appears the 43-year-old will leave Watford in the next 48 hours.

Ivic took the decision to drop skipper Troy Deeney for alleged discipline issues ahead of the game at Huddersfield.

When asked on Deeney's absence from the starting 11 Ivic said: “He didn’t start because he played a lot of full games recently.

“I believe that he wasn’t ready to play from the beginning but the reason he wasn’t able to come on was a discipline issue.”

When asked if Deeney had a future at the club, Ivic added: “I don’t know, we will see.

“It’s between us and I don’t want to speak about this. I’m the coach and I know what is my responsibility.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:42 pm

Nixon mentioned something about a manager in the championship a few mins after full time but didn't mention names

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 pm

One of the horses I own is in partnership with a few people who are Watford fans. Messaged them tonight, they say that the football is terrible, anti football at best, and they think he should have been sacked a month ago.

Maybe the chairman, fans and club are well suited,.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by KRBFC » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:00 pm
I wasn't saying you shouldn't take on the senior players, just that at some clubs it inevitably leads to your departure.
Like Arteta at Arsenal right now, had a fight with Luiz, frozen out Ozil and treated Pepe differently to Xhaka. Didn’t Laws have the same problem here?

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by beddie » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 pm

Surely the problem lies with the Board or the Owners if they do the hiring. I nearly said they are "fast becoming" but I'll change that to "they are" a laughing stock.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by KRBFC » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:40 pm

beddie wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 pm
Surely the problem lies with the Board or the Owners if they do the hiring. I nearly said they are "fast becoming" but I'll change that to "they are" a laughing stock.
But that model has worked for them, similar to Chelsea.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:08 pm

Now been officially announced.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:09 pm

Knobhead club.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:16 pm

yep, reported on The Athletic 10 minutes ago now https://theathletic.com/news/vladimir-i ... kaPtxaYgvW

An official statement on the club website read: “Watford FC confirms the departure of Head Coach Vladimir Ivić with immediate effect. Ivic’s coaching staff will also be leaving Vicarage Road.

“The Hornets thank Ivić and his staff for their efforts this season and wish them well for future success elsewhere.

“No further comment is available from the club.”

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:40 pm
But that model has worked for them, similar to Chelsea.
They are now where they were when the nutter took over.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:17 pm

Lengthy statement from Watford on the matter, it reads:




Watford FC confirms the departure of Head Coach Vladimir Ivić with immediate effect.

Ivic’s coaching staff will also be leaving Vicarage Road.

The Hornets thank Ivić and his staff for their efforts this season and wish them well for future success elsewhere.

No further comment is available from the club.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:18 pm

When Everton approached Watford for Marco Silva in late 2017, they refused them permission to speak to him and said at the time that they never changed manager during a season. Since then all of Marco Silva, Javier Gracia, Quique Sanchez Flores, Nigel Pearson and now Vladimir Ivic have departed during a season.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:22 pm

It is players that get managers sacked though if we are honest. Fans may not like what is happening, however, once the players start to kick up the manager is on a loser ---unless he sorts the bad eggs out before they sort him!

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:26 pm

Should just give the job to Deeney and be done with it

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:27 pm

I did laugh at this in the Watford Observer tonight. It referred to the issues with Deeney and then said of the sacking.

"Whether or not those "discipline issues" played their part in him losing his job remains to be seen, but performances, particularly this afternoon's, will have certainly played their part. While Watford are in the playoff places, more was expected from the head coach, with the club hoping to avoid the uncertainty of the playoffs and be promoted automatically this season.

The news comes just over a week after he was named Championship manager of the month for November."

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:32 pm

and to think there are posters ****** off when we talk about recent ex-players!
Always nattering on about Watford though, who cares about Watford, let it go, Dyche was there god knows how many years ago!!

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Garnerssoap » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:34 pm

Nothing’s coming out of Watford come midnight

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:47 pm

Garnerssoap wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:34 pm
Nothing’s coming out of Watford come midnight
Vladimir: " Ok, at least I can get back home to Serbia to see the family " ..... " Err, Hang on ! "

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:19 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:40 pm
But that model has worked for them, similar to Chelsea.
It didn't really work for Watford.

Highest PL finish was 11th.
They've ended up going down and have just sacked a manager who seemed to be doing OK.


Side note, I'm not really sure why the media bother labelling the man in the hotseat as a permanent appointment...

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:47 pm

Shock news from Watford would be the manager keeps his job.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:47 pm

The ironic thing is the best man for the job was in charge a few months ago.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by levraiclaret » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:53 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 pm
One of the horses I own is in partnership with a few people who are Watford fans. Messaged them tonight, they say that the football is terrible, anti football at best, and they think he should have been sacked a month ago.

Maybe the chairman, fans and club are well suited,.
How many horses do you own, if I may make so bold?

Are you displaying roverrs tendencies? :shock:

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:15 am

Been reading a Watford forum thread about Ivic’s time there. It all starts with a joke thread called ‘Ivic out’ on the day of his appointment... but it’s clear the fans felt the guy was out of his depth.

They comment on the same tired tactics, questionable substitutions, poor performances but mainly how he was constantly blaming players in post-match press conferences.

There’s a lot of player power involved, but they’re not keen on Deeny’s part in the whole situation either.

All that said, 5th in the League and Manager of the Month... then sacked.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:15 am

Joke shop club at the moment

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:18 am

Time to rename that club
Troyford!

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:03 pm

Looks as though Xisco Muñoz is going to be the new man

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by claretburns » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:16 pm

Paul Cook and Bilic also linked.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:51 pm
He left Deeney out today for disciplinary reasons, apparently left him as an unused sub.
Looks like we dodged a bullet by not signing Deeney. No player can dictate to the manager.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:50 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:15 am
5th in the League and Manager of the Month... then sacked.
Perhaps his Italian is under par :lol:

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by bodge » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:02 pm

Xisco Munoz from Dynamo Tblisi just appointed as the next man for the chopping block.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:09 pm

As expected, it’s Xisco Muñoz

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:14 pm

Only bloke they can down there now is some obscure coach with no badges from Georgia. It’s all going really well for them.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:17 pm

levraiclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:53 pm
How many horses do you own, if I may make so bold?

Are you displaying roverrs tendencies? :shock:
3 - race horses - no roverrurrs tendencies.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:09 pm
As expected, it’s Xisco Muñoz
Wonder if he will get to the end of the season ?
More bad results and he could be another one gone.

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:37 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:22 pm
Wonder if he will get to the end of the season ?
More bad results and he could be another one gone.
Rumoured that he should see the new year in :D

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Re: Big shock news set to come out of Watford

Post by Bullabill » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:53 pm

Ah! Xisco, ... Ah! Pancho!

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