Pace interview

[ClaretTony]

Someone on twitter has asked why he chose The Mail, and he has replied directly

Former poster claretextile who asked him

[ClaretTony]

Didn't realise they were Mormons...hopefully monogamous to BFC when it coms to directing any available money and opportunity.

Hence my references over the past few weeks to having already got interests in Lancashire & also their reluctance re alcohol.

[Paul Waine]

It is no secret that the Mail Online is the most read English newspaper website in the United States

Thanks, CP. That was something I didn't know.

[Paul Waine]

Hence my references over the past few weeks to having already got interests in Lancashire & also their reluctance re alcohol.

I've done a little googling: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sent their first mission to England in the 1830s, arriving in Liverpool and holding first public meeting in Preston. Lancashire. One of their two UK temples is in Chorley and a college/training centre there also. Salt Lake City and Utah has the largest population in US that trace their heritage to England.

Sounds like there's some solid logic to ALK investing in Burnley.

Exciting times.

UTC

[Billy Balfour]

I hope they keep up this level of communication. Keeping fans informed is a sure way of keeping us onboard. None of this 'us and them'. I like what I'm hearing and it's a case of so far, so good. Only time will tell, but long may it continue.

[Lowbankclaret]

The one thing Americans are normally good at is customer relations, visited America several times and the customer service was always better than anywhere else I have been.
So I would expect communications to be good.

[elwaclaret]

I've done a little googling: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sent their first mission to England in the 1830s, arriving in Liverpool and holding first public meeting in Preston. Lancashire. One of their two UK temples is in Chorley and a college/training centre there also. Salt Lake City and Utah has the largest population in US that trace their heritage to England.

Sounds like there's some solid logic to ALK investing in Burnley.

Exciting times.

UTC

This area of the world has traditionally been a haven for non-conformism, so the CofLS was joining good tradition even by the 1830’s. The Whalley Parish was Yeoman stronghold... which developed the Baptist tradition shortly after and by the 1740’s evangelical ministers of the New faith had leading theologians in Keithley, Haworth and Todmorden and Rossendale, before forming one of its first organised diocese in Colne... it was to become the Methodist Movement. As we know both Methodism and Baptist tradition is now far stronger in America than the Uk.... this understanding led me down a religious blind alley as despite the Salt Lake connection I never made the Chorley connection.

Edit... Just checked the dates... those first arrivals were probably escaping persecution as I suspected. The faith was driven out of their first settlements in Missouri in the 1830’s before finding freedom in Salt Lake.

[Cubanclaret]

It's probably worth putting this up again
https://www.rslsoapbox.com/2017/2/2/143 ... ship-style

There's pros and cons to Checketts from reading this - he's certainly hands on but clearly a bit reckless over financial affairs too. Certainly seems to have plenty 'chutzpah' - seemingly stopped at nothing to realise Utah's soccer franchise dream - but RSL is a very different world to BFC. It's nothing if not intriguing to see how things pan out.

[IanMcL]

Not as smart as the door knocking Mormons!

They had better leave Benedictine alone too!

[Marty Dobson]

Words is words but I'll watch what they do not what they say.

[RalphCoatesComb]

With Alan and his fellow owners reading Burnley forums, we'd better watch out for recent newcomers. My money is on Alan Pace NOT being Dixie Normous

Exciting Times (c)

[BurnleyPaul]

I've done a little googling: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sent their first mission to England in the 1830s, arriving in Liverpool and holding first public meeting in Preston. Lancashire. One of their two UK temples is in Chorley and a college/training centre there also. Salt Lake City and Utah has the largest population in US that trace their heritage to England.

Sounds like there's some solid logic to ALK investing in Burnley.

Exciting times.

UTC

They were very active recruiting in this area too...some of my ancestors left Fence and travelled to Salt Lake City in 1855. They weren’t unique either.

[ClaretTony]

Not as smart as the door knocking Mormons!

They had better leave Benedictine alone too!

Didn’t know they did foot knocking, thought that was just the Jehovas.

[Chester Perry]

Didn’t know they did foot knocking, thought that was just the Jehovas.

always very smartly turned out in black suits - white shirts and dark ties - usually quite young too, they take some fair old abuse abuse but I have always found them extremely polite and courteous - many would think them to easily led but their faith and beliefs are deeply held with absolute conviction.

[ClaretTony]

always very smartly turned out in black suits - white shirts and dark ties - usually quite young too, they take some fair old abuse abuse but I have always found them extremely polite and courteous - many would think them to easily led but their faith and beliefs are deeply held with absolute conviction.

They are always smartly dressed and I’ve seen them in town on occasions. Never had them knocking on my door though unlike the Jehovah’s who always seem to be around.

[elwaclaret]

Didn’t know they did foot knocking, thought that was just the Jehovas.

Certainly around East Lancs it is the JW’s that have been more active. I once made the mistake when I lived in Read of smiling ever so politely at a visitor and explaining I had bought the Watchtower from a caller the week before, only to have my HUGE error explained to me by two very well dressed and polite gentlemen with American accents. I have a fascination with religion (mixed Methodist and RC parentage) and really enjoyed talking to them. They in turn were very gallant and excepted I was unlikely to ‘turn’ but popped back a couple of times before I presume they moved areas.

[Vegas Claret]

he's following a few Claret accounts on Twitter, very interesting

[JohnDearyMe]

Hence my references over the past few weeks to having already got interests in Lancashire & also their reluctance re alcohol.

Wonder if they'll be frequenting the temperance bar in Rawtenstall, Mr Fitzpatricks? Might be why he has been house hunting in Rossendale?!

[Bosscat]

always very smartly turned out in black suits - white shirts and dark ties - usually quite young too, they take some fair old abuse abuse but I have always found them extremely polite and courteous - many would think them to easily led but their faith and beliefs are deeply held with absolute conviction.

Thats Men in Black m8

[bobinho]

All I said was “that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah”.

[ClaretTony]

Wonder if they'll be frequenting the temperance bar in Rawtenstall, Mr Fitzpatricks? Might be why he has been house hunting in Rossendale?!

If they do they won’t see me in there. Mr Fitzpatrick still hasn’t been able to supply suitable drinks for diabetics.

[gawthorpe_view]

always very smartly turned out in black suits - white shirts and dark ties - usually quite young too, they take some fair old abuse abuse but I have always found them extremely polite and courteous - many would think them to easily led but their faith and beliefs are deeply held with absolute conviction.

Four or five of them shared a flat in Trafalgar Gardens late 80's early 90's.
If Alan Pace was one of them he wouldn't have come anywhere near Turf Moor after that introduction to the town.

[NewClaret]

If they do they won’t see me in there. Mr Fitzpatrick still hasn’t been able to supply suitable drinks for diabetics.

Or any drink with less than 80% sugar content.

Delicious though (if you’re not diabetic).

[scouseclaret]

It's probably worth putting this up again
https://www.rslsoapbox.com/2017/2/2/143 ... ship-style

I barely understood a word of that. It just shows the absolute chasm between the way sports are set up in the US and the UK.

Love to be a fly on the wall though if this Checketts fella ever tries to walk into SD’s dressing room and give a pre-match speech!

[aggi]

I barely understood a word of that. It just shows the absolute chasm between the way sports are set up in the US and the UK.

Love to be a fly on the wall though if this Checketts fella ever tries to walk into SD’s dressing room and give a pre-match speech!

It's weird in the US with states and towns competing against each other to get businesses, sports teams and the like through subsidies and tax breaks.

The ongoing Amazon one is pretty dubious and there's a huge scandal with the Foxconn one.

[ClaretTony]

Or any drink with less than 80% sugar content.

Delicious though (if you’re not diabetic).

Used to be a Fitzpatricks on Yorkshire Street in my younger days. The sarsaparilla was to die for.

[Jimscho]

If they do they won’t see me in there. Mr Fitzpatrick still hasn’t been able to supply suitable drinks for diabetics.

The girl who runs Fitzpatricks is diabetic and they do sugar free drinks.They have sugar free cordials in bottles and she will do you a sugar free drink to drink in the shop when they are back to normal.Being diabetic myself i have had their cordials which i find ok but they lack some of the taste from the normal ones.

[Jimscho]

Mr Fitzpatrick used to drink in the Craven Heifer on Burnley road Rawtenstall.

[ClaretTony]

The girl who runs Fitzpatricks is diabetic and they do sugar free drinks.They have sugar free cordials in bottles and she will do you a sugar free drink to drink in the shop when they are back to normal.Being diabetic myself i have had their cordials which i find ok but they lack some of the taste from the normal ones.

Thanks Jimscho - I remember contacting them a few years ago and asking if they did any sugar free drinks and at that time they didn't.

[claptrappers_union]

They don’t do the sugar free Blood Tonic anymore

[Burnley1989]

Thanks Jimscho - I remember contacting them a few years ago and asking if they did any sugar free drinks and at that time they didn't.

I’m friends with the family Tony, I’ll put a word in

[Jimscho]

Thanks Jimscho - I remember contacting them a few years ago and asking if they did any sugar free drinks and at that time they didn't.

I have had the Dandelion and Burdock but not the Sarsaparilla.

[Dodobdobodobo]

No added sugar

[Burnley Ace]

Used to be a Fitzpatricks on Yorkshire Street in my younger days. The sarsaparilla was to die for.

I can’t find a good fizzy sarsaparilla!

[Jimscho]

I can’t find a good fizzy sarsaparilla!

When the shop is back open for sitting inside they do sarsaparilla either flat or fizzy.

[Andreshotboots]

Mormons cant indulge in alcohol or drugs? That will change when he comes out of the Etihad next season.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

When the shop is back open for sitting inside they do sarsaparilla either flat or fizzy.

Can’t beat a refreshing fizzy Blood Tonic in there!

[rob63]

Mr Fitzpatrick used to drink in the Craven Heifer on Burnley road Rawtenstall.

Do you mean Mal(Malachi)?

He used to walk up Burnley Rd every night holding his takings wrapped up in a brown paper bag. We tried to warn him about the dangers of it, but to no avail.

[Wile E Coyote]

we need money, not data and stats.dyche wasnt brought up on stuff like this.the only thing that will make us progress is finance and better players.

[clive40golf]

On the religious side, Mormons can drink alcohol, smoke, bet ect. They have stages that they achieve, if they want, that gives them more enlightenment. I used to do fire safety visits to the Main church in Chorley. One of the most impressive buildings in Lancashire, if you ever get the chance to visit when they have open days, Go. They have a baptism pool that is supported by 10 life size sculptures of bulls, each one slightly different, and 1/2 Ton fire doors that are so finely balanced you can close it with 1 finger.
Hopefully if they are as meticulous running a football club as they are building churches, we truly have got the golden ticket!

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Hence my references over the past few weeks to having already got interests in Lancashire & also their reluctance re alcohol.

And yet you disagreed with me when I suggested their interest was into the businesses and potential in and around the clubs location.

You only need to look at a group of businesses on a junction on the M6, a prominent business with offices in Manchester and Leeds to see where those interests lie.

They’re here for the northern powerhouse and all the national and international business that will bring. The club is a window to that. You’ll never know who the investors are, but as has already been mentioned, there is strong precedent in all Religions across the globe to business being favoured by those of similar beliefs.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

we need money, not data and stats.dyche wasnt brought up on stuff like this.the only thing that will make us progress is finance and better players.

You need to do some research into where sport has and is headed. Data driven recruitment is the driving force behind most sports. The Aussies piloted in the modern era, people have been perfecting it ever since.

Read up on why Salah is a success at Liverpool but wasn’t at Chelsea. Read up on KDB at Chelsea and Wolfsburg. Read up on the British cycling programmes and how they chose athletes for events on the track and road.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

we need money, not data and stats.dyche wasnt brought up on stuff like this.the only thing that will make us progress is finance and better players.

I also think you need to read up on Dyche and his coaching philosophy and how he spent his own money to build his coaching skills.

[NewClaret]

You only need to look at a group of businesses on a junction on the M6, a prominent business with offices in Manchester and Leeds to see where those interests lie.

Which business / businesses is that?

[Wile E Coyote]

I also think you need to read up on Dyche and his coaching philosophy and how he spent his own money to build his coaching skills.

ok i will, what source material should i be looking for ?the BBC host mark chapman is a fan of dull, insipid american sport and their obsession with moneyball types. I detest it, but if it is something that dyche has self funded to study then I am keen to be informed

[NewClaret]

You need to do some research into where sport has and is headed. Data driven recruitment is the driving force behind most sports. The Aussies piloted in the modern era, people have been perfecting it ever since.

Read up on why Salah is a success at Liverpool but wasn’t at Chelsea. Read up on KDB at Chelsea and Wolfsburg. Read up on the British cycling programmes and how they chose athletes for events on the track and road.

I agree with this. I also agreed with AP’s comment that football is 30 years behind the times in that respect, although how they use data to drive decisions, I’m not sure. I also have no idea how well other clubs do it and whether we’ll be playing catch up or able to become a leader very quickly?

I also hope the plan is to collate data on opponents and the game generally to inform how we prepare, but AP mentioned data in the context of scouting so I’m not sure.

[Vegas Claret]

we need money, not data and stats.dyche wasnt brought up on stuff like this.the only thing that will make us progress is finance and better players.

hardly an interview goes by where Dyche doesn't reference data and stats, he's clearly well into that side of it - hopefully these new folks can bring in some players with some good stats !!!

[CrosspoolClarets]

Probably important to note that data, whilst associated with computers, also works in a single human brain, i.e. managers and scouts who watch thousands of games on Tv or live can accumulate masses of data, usually disorganised but in an expert brain can be just as brilliant as in a computer program. Take Sir Alex as an example.

The one thing the human brain cannot do is scale - hundreds of thousands of players all cross referenced with hundreds of variables each, alongside tactical “what if” simulations to try to blend 11 players together with perfect tactics. With a manager like Dyche, very successful with what he had, will new data approaches add anything? Possibly - yes. Probably - not sure.

[aggi]

And yet you disagreed with me when I suggested their interest was into the businesses and potential in and around the clubs location.

You only need to look at a group of businesses on a junction on the M6, a prominent business with offices in Manchester and Leeds to see where those interests lie.

They’re here for the northern powerhouse and all the national and international business that will bring. The club is a window to that. You’ll never know who the investors are, but as has already been mentioned, there is strong precedent in all Religions across the globe to business being favoured by those of similar beliefs.

I still don't really buy this. If you want to get in on the "northern powerhouse" (whatever they may be) then there are much more efficient ways of doing it (starting with donations to the Tory party).

If you really think a football club is necessary then you wouldn't buy one that is at the peak of its value.

[aggi]

I agree with this. I also agreed with AP’s comment that football is 30 years behind the times in that respect, although how they use data to drive decisions, I’m not sure. I also have no idea how well other clubs do it and whether we’ll be playing catch up or able to become a leader very quickly?

I also hope the plan is to collate data on opponents and the game generally to inform how we prepare, but AP mentioned data in the context of scouting so I’m not sure.

I suspect Pace is over-egging this a bit (although his comment was that you shouldn't need thirty years experience, not thirty years behind).

Most of the big teams have data scientists with PhDs and commercial experience which is six figure salary kind of territory.